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Mog
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posted 09-25-2000 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mog   Click Here to Email Mog     Edit/Delete Message
....tell me a good route to apply external effects (from a Lexicon MPX100) to an already recorded track.

Roland's manual only appears to cover using external fx when mixing down...whereas i'd like to take a recording from V1 and put it onto V2 with added effects.

Out of curiosity I tried using the using the master-out and wiring that into the Lexicon and back into the VS. Viscious feed-back kicked that one out of touch !!

Any help on this one would be much appreciated
cheers
Moggy

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Dr. Chan
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posted 09-23-2000 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dr. Chan   Click Here to Email Dr. Chan     Edit/Delete Message
Connect the VS-880's aux send(s) to the effects processor's input(s).

Connect the effects processor's output(s) to the VS-880's input(s) of your choice.

For the Track you want to apply effects to, set its Aux Send switch to Pre-Fader or Post Fader (depending on what you want). Set the Aux Send Level with the menus and Aux Send Knob.

For the Input(s) that you have the Effects Processor's out(s) connected to, switch the appropriate channel(s) to accept an input. If you have previously recorded material on those track(s), you may want to pick different V-Tracks to record to.

Press Play and set your levels and patches for the effects return(s). When you are happy with the levels, you can record.

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Mog
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posted 09-26-2000 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mog   Click Here to Email Mog     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Doc. I am really glad you responded...thanks.

In fact I have been trying to use your notes to Capt Zorro back in August, which are on the same subject. At the moment, following your routing I still get total silence ! Trying to find the point in the procedure where the signal is not evident I get back to the connection from the aux send....what I did was patch the aux send directly into the monitor amp to see if any signal was coming thru'. Alas zero.

I'm getting something wrong here....what buttons do you use to get the 'AUX SEND' ?..I'm using the channel button but I notice there is another button near the master fader that has 'AUX' if it is also used together with the 'SHIFT' button. I hate choices !

Can you prescribe any curative medicines or what's the call out charge for a doctor these days ?

Thanks & regards
Moggy

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Dr. Chan
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posted 09-26-2000 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dr. Chan   Click Here to Email Dr. Chan     Edit/Delete Message
The "Aux Send" switch is the CH EDIT 6 (SHIFT+CH EDIT6).

Let's say you want to put effects on Track 8, so you would hit the CH EDIT 8, followed by SHIFT+CH EDIT 6. This should put you into AUX territory.

I'm not in front of my VS right now, but at this point, you should be able to scroll through different screens(the stuff written in white by all the CH EDIT buttons). The AUX parameters are:

AUX Switch: Off, PreFade, PstFade.
AUX Level: 0-127
AUX Pan/Balance: L63-R63

After you set these parameters, bring the Aux Send Knob (under the Headphone Volume Knob) up to about halfway. You should be able to send a signal through the AUX Send Connections now.

The button by the master fader that says 'AUX', just controls the Master AUX settings. As long as you have the Aux Send knob up, you should be okay.

Curative Medicines? A case of beer and/or a fat sack of weed

What's the charge for the Doctor?.....how much money do you have?

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Hano Janssens
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posted 09-27-2000 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hano Janssens   Click Here to Email Hano Janssens     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Doctor, Thanks Mog,
both for writing a cure to my illness and answering to this Question.

Do you use the Input mixer(orange to (add)send that Aux'ed signal?
I'm still a newbie to this AUX -send & receive in the digital way.

When your signal arrives in the effect rack, you'll route it to two input channels on the VS. Now I've been thinking....but...

Can it now be routed to ALL the other tracks from there? (using the Input mixer?)
I would think yes, but I'm very doubtfull about it. Does anyone understand what I'm saying? .....hope so....Hano.

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Mog
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posted 09-27-2000 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mog   Click Here to Email Mog     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Doc for taking the time to key that lot....I'll give those routings a thorough work out this evening and let you know.

My health insurance company says just submit your bill & they will give it consideration...I'm also looking at ways of shipping some genuine English meadow weed to you in return

Hano...hope we get some answers to your wider routing of the 'aux rtn' question.

Your question also touches on another sensitve area of my ignorance ...which is, although only one (could be 2)track goes out
from the VS to the external unit, that unit sends back a stereo pair. Now very often I only want a mono signal so what do we do with the other side....combine it with a 'Y' lead ?

Maybe our Doctor has his surgery open for 'aux-newbies' today ?!

Thanks guys...I think we're treading some useful ground (well to me anyway)

cheers
Moggy

[This message has been edited by Mog (edited 09-27-2000).]

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Dr. Chan
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posted 09-27-2000 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dr. Chan   Click Here to Email Dr. Chan     Edit/Delete Message
Hello, Hello....

Hano-
I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but....What I'm saying is use the Input Mixer (LED Orange) to receive the effected signal from da rack. These are all analog connections,BTW. It's pretty much the same idea as using the aux send on any analog mixer or cassette 4-track, with the addition of some cryptic menus.

As far as routing back to the VS goes, I will use 1 input if it's a mono effect (like one of my guitar pedals), or 2 inputs if it's a stereo effect (like my stereo effects processor).

Can it be routed to all the tracks? You should be able to assign any input to any track. I don't really do this too much myself, I'm more of an Input 1 goes to Track 1 kinda guy.


Mog-
One Hundred Million Dollars....HAHAHAHHAH!!!! (couldn't resist)

A lot of Stereo Effects Processors can be run in mono and will automatically detect the connections. Most of the Effects Processors I've seen use Left as the Mono Channel (I've got a Boss SE-50), although the Alesis Quadraverb GT uses the Right. Are there settings in your effects processor where you can pan where the sound goes?

If your processor is "Stereo Only", then you will have to mix both the Left and Right Outputs down into a mono signal. If you have an external mixer you can mix down through that. With the VS, I don't know...I've never tried it that way. I will have to think about that and get back to you.

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Mog
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posted 09-28-2000 04:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mog   Click Here to Email Mog     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Doc....your medicine worked, brilliant ! You mentioned the 'master aux' knob had to be up, and that was the problem... it was down at 7 o'clock letting no signal thru. I was only setting the level for the channel output. Whopeeeee, this is going to be so useful.

The only drawback I see is that the original channel fader has to be up a little and therefore that adds 'dry' sound to the new 'wet' channel ( to the monitors/headphones only)....so you can't really hear the true fx until you've made the bounce...but hell, that's a small price to pay.

You're right about the 'mono, left hand side' facility on most outboard units. I guess I'd overlooked that as I have them all patched in as stereo pairs...so that's another problem hatched down.

Hano..how was it for you ?...so to speak ?!!
I had no need to get the channel to orange status...simply set the original channel to 'aux post or pre' (as the Doctor prescribed) and out it squirts to the external unit...don't forget the 'master aux vol' knob needs some volume thru it !
"Auxanne, you don't have to worry...Auxanne..." (Sting wrote strange words didn't he)

Many thanks Doc. I've been considering a master plan to get you that sack of weed & hit on a cunning idea to mark the sack " Grass Seed"...that'll fool the customsl,ehhhh !

cheers
Moggy

[This message has been edited by Mog (edited 09-28-2000).]

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Dr. Chan
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posted 09-28-2000 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dr. Chan   Click Here to Email Dr. Chan     Edit/Delete Message
Glad to hear it worked out for you, Mog.

However, you don't have to have the original fader up and have to put up with the original sound. What you can do is set your AUX Send switch to "PreFade" instead of "PostFade" and set the fader all the way down, so you don't hear the original sound. All you will hear is the effected sound.

In PostFade mode, the signal is sent to the AUX Buss AFTER the fader, ie. the fader influences the amount of signal going to the AUX Buss.

In PreFade mode, the signal is sent to the AUX Buss BEFORE the fader, ie. the amount of signal going to the AUX Buss is not influenced by the position of the fader.

I like using the AUX Buss not only for stereo effects processors, but guitar pedals, EQ'ing, re-amping, etc. or any combination thereof.

Let me know when the Weed is ready for mailing, I will give you my PO Box address

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Mog
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posted 09-29-2000 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mog   Click Here to Email Mog     Edit/Delete Message
Its thanks again Doc...'pre-fader', now why didn't I think of that.

I'll let you know when the crop has rippened & just hope those mean 'ol Columbian drug barons dont spot the 2 acres I'm growing for you.

cheers
Moggy

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Hano Janssens
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posted 10-03-2000 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hano Janssens   Click Here to Email Hano Janssens     Edit/Delete Message
Mog & Chan,

Many thanks for all the time you've spend on this, and for sharing it. I'm sorry to say I haven't tried it yet. I have an Alessis 3060 compressor. Everyone at homerecording says it sucks. It changes the sound to much. I got it very cheap. I also have an REX 50 multi effects from Yamaha, that I used a lot with my Tascam 4 tracker. My four tracker had auxillary knobs & pans for every channel.
Since I don't have much free time to record, I have let this wine pass me by. But I wanted to know, how I should go.

I hope this set-up will also help me understand what to do when you link two recorders together. There is much to know, and to little time to do it all.

Wandering Hano

[This message has been edited by Hano Janssens (edited 10-03-2000).]

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Dr. Chan
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posted 10-03-2000 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dr. Chan   Click Here to Email Dr. Chan     Edit/Delete Message
Hano,

What two recorders are you linking together? 2 VS units or are you talking 1 VS and a 4-Track?

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