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Wish14
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Registered on 02-01-2000
posted 05-08-2000 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wish14   Click Here to Email Wish14     Edit/Delete Message
I want to get a punch in/out pedal for my 840EX. Went down to the local Guitar Center and the "extremely knowledgable" clerk didn't have a clue about what I needed. So, here I am....

Questions - Do I have to buy a Roland pedal or is there a cheaper generic alternative at Radio Shack or somewhere and if so, exactly what kind of pedal does it need to be?

Also, approx. how much?

Thanks for the help.

Wish

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Ted Choate
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posted 05-08-2000 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ted Choate   Click Here to Email Ted Choate     Edit/Delete Message
I would think any guitar foot switch would work. Most music stores carry 'em.
About $15-$25, depending on how fancy.
It's just an ON-OFF switch (short-open).

Ted

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FlametopFred

posted 05-08-2000 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FlametopFred   Click Here to Email FlametopFred     Edit/Delete Message
Any Generic Pedal will work.

It should be a "momentary" type of switch though....that is, you don't click it on/off ...you just tap it and the software in the VS turns the record or play button on.

Do you follow? More like a "sustain" type pedal for a piano or synthesizer. And not like a "guitar effects pedal" switch where you click it on and click it off.

That way the "momentary" action can be used for other functions where you only want that function operating as long as you hold the pedal down....

You can find them at garage sales for $5 from time to time. Generic is fine indeed.

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Dr. Chan
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Registered on 06-08-99
posted 05-08-2000 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dr. Chan   Click Here to Email Dr. Chan     Edit/Delete Message
Go the cheap route, because it will do exactly the same thing.

If you are in a pinch take an old 1/4" cable and chop the end off with some cable hanging off the connector. Strip the insulation off the wires so the copper is exposed. Plug the jack into your VS and touch the wires together quickly and seperate them. That is what the footswitch does, it is a momentary contact.

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Dingley W
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Registered on 12-07-1999
posted 05-09-2000 06:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dingley W   Click Here to Email Dingley W     Edit/Delete Message
I just use the sustain pedal that came with my synth. As the others say above, you probably don't want a guitar pedal, a synth sustain pedal is more likely to be the right sort of switch.

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Dingley Walthamstow

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Mooseboy
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Registered on 04-24-99
posted 05-09-2000 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mooseboy   Click Here to Email Mooseboy     Edit/Delete Message
No, no, no, no!!!!!

You absolutely MUST use a 24 bit, 96kHz data rate compliant, Category six, quadruple pole, double throw, IEEE 802.11 certified, EMI sheilded coax switch! Anything else will completely erase your hard drive, and several surrounding meters of the known universe.

Please be extremely careful with this decision!

[joke mode off]

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Larry Sheehan
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Registered on 04-19-99
posted 05-09-2000 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Sheehan   Click Here to Email Larry Sheehan     Edit/Delete Message
And to get that Air be sure to use Monster Cable's best.

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MadeofClay
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Registered on 04-02-2000
posted 05-09-2000 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MadeofClay   Click Here to Email MadeofClay     Edit/Delete Message
Does the 840EX feature auto punch in like the 1680? If so I can't imagine using a punch in switch.

On my reel to reel Fostex, I actually used a footswitch from a Roland JC120 amp that I had. The only thing was I had to press the switch twice to get it to punch in. But that wasn't a problem because I just pre pressed it so that when I wanted to punch in I just had to hit it once.

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Clem
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Registered on 06-16-99
posted 05-09-2000 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clem     Edit/Delete Message
Made of Clay:

Yes, the 840EX has autopunch, but I use the punch in/out switch quite a bit. For starters, you can only set one pair of punch in/out points on the 840, and they need to be assigned to the specific locate positions. I like to set up the locate buttons to get me to certain points in the song so I don't have to ffwd or rewind to get there.

But more importantly, say you are recording a vocal track. You step on the switch to punch in when you want to start singing, step again to punch out between the verses. That way, you are not recording "dead" time (i.e. silence) that you may need to go back later and erase just to free up space.

I also use a synth sustain footswitch.

-Clem

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CurtG
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Registered on 04-21-99
posted 05-09-2000 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CurtG   Click Here to Email CurtG     Edit/Delete Message
The type of switch others are referring to is a Normally-Open or NO single pole pushbutton switch. They sell them in several shapes and sizes in Radio Shack and just about any other electronics store. Mount it in a little black project box, run any type 2-conductor cable the length you need, and wire the other end with a 1/4" unbalanced plug.

I did this - total cost - $4.

I guess you could call it a "hand switch" since I hold mine when I use it. You'd need a bigger switch to use your foot, but for tracking vocals as you mentioned, it's perfect.

[This message has been edited by CurtG (edited 05-09-2000).]

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larryd
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posted 05-09-2000 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for larryd   Click Here to Email larryd     Edit/Delete Message
Clem, I tried a guitar amp foot switch last night. I also have to press it twice (no big deal) When I tried using it to punch in / out, when I punched out, the unit stopped, so I couldn't punch in again without hitting record, then the footswitch. Are you punching in/out with it on the fly without having to got to the unit and press record again? If so, what do I need to change. Footswitch option is set to play/record.

Thanks,
Larry

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Wish14
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Registered on 02-01-2000
posted 05-09-2000 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wish14   Click Here to Email Wish14     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks all. Synth sustain pedal it will be. By the way, I'm "elite" now. Go figure.....someday I'll figure all of this stuff out (it's all new to me, but I'm learning....), but in the mean time, you guys are a great help!!!

Wish

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Wish14
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posted 05-09-2000 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wish14   Click Here to Email Wish14     Edit/Delete Message
Ooooooh, I must be "elite"!!! I finally figured out how to add the signature by checking the stupid box!!! (I really couldn't figure out why it wasn't showing up...duh!) By the the way, I put my first song out on MP3 - I'm still learning how to mix, so it's not where I want to be, and it also chopped off the end of the song, so I need to upload it again, but it's out there!!! Thanks again all!

Wish

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Dingley W
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Registered on 12-07-1999
posted 05-10-2000 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dingley W   Click Here to Email Dingley W     Edit/Delete Message
Larry,

Several footswitch options can be set for the 1680. The one I've used allows it to just switch record on and off - it will keep playing throughout. I think you can set it up somewhere under system parameters, but I am not at my machine so I can't tell you exactly.

Once you've got it set to the right option you should be able to set the machine playing, and then use the footswitch to turn record on and off as many times as you want through the song.

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Dingley Walthamstow

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MadeofClay
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posted 05-10-2000 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MadeofClay   Click Here to Email MadeofClay     Edit/Delete Message
Clem,
You've got a valid point there. You are a punching in fool you are! I guess I'm satisfied to punch in once, check the results and then do another autopunch if necessary.

Id prefer to play the performance all the way through if I can (but most times I can't-error free that is). You've got a good point about the memory useage too during recorded silence since I reckon the 1680 doesn't know the diff between music and silence.

Hush my mouth!

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octoruss
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posted 05-10-2000 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for octoruss   Click Here to Email octoruss     Edit/Delete Message
I think you got the point already, but I did want to mention one thing--test out the switch before you bring it home and try it.

I have a 10-year old Fostex foot switch that I used to use with my Portastudio 4-track. I dug it out of the attic when I got my 1680, and while it does work, I definitely hear a *click* sound before the signal gets sent to punch out. This I assume is the sound of the pedal striking the switch. In a recent recording with 5 part harmony, I heard on mixdown a complete chorus of *clicks*, all panned from left to right. Time for me to get a new one too.

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Mooseboy
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posted 05-10-2000 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mooseboy   Click Here to Email Mooseboy     Edit/Delete Message
Hey, Wish-

I'm listening to "What" right now. Good start, but I can tell that you're still playing with the mix. You'll get there.

BTW, I really like your leaving the string noise in at the beginning (about 20 sec. in), it gives it a relaxed vibe.

This tune reminds me a bit of a cross between REM and John Lennon. Good start!

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FlametopFred

posted 05-10-2000 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FlametopFred   Click Here to Email FlametopFred     Edit/Delete Message
quick solution for clicky pedals - towel over pedal

that way the mic won't pick up clicks

The settings for "Play/Record" function of the footswitch is indeed under the global settings.....somewhere...

[shift][System]
move the arrow keys until you come to "Foot Sw"
There you can choose settings

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Cheers ~ and may fortune's timing light shine upon your piston of love.


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Clem
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posted 05-10-2000 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clem     Edit/Delete Message
Larry-

I have the 840EX and I believe the setting I use is just "RECORD", so that the footswitch toggles the state of the record button. I just "arm" the track to record, hit play, and then wait for my part to come up. The footswitch does everything else until the end of the song.

MadeOfClay:
I am a punch-in fool. On the 840EX we only have 250M TOTAL space to record. So we look for every shortcut we can to save space (being the cheap bastards that we are).

Still punchy and still a fool,
Clem

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larryd
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posted 05-10-2000 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for larryd   Click Here to Email larryd     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks everyone,

I found the option (record) and works as advertised. Can anyone be specific as to which synth pedal you have?

Now if I could just find someone else to record besides myself! I want to put this 880ex through a good workout.

Thanks,
Larry

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Dingley W
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Registered on 12-07-1999
posted 05-11-2000 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dingley W   Click Here to Email Dingley W     Edit/Delete Message
Larry,

I have an Ensoniq SD1 pedal. I would imagine any synth sustain pedal would do though.

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Dingley Walthamstow

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singuitdrum
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posted 05-13-2000 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for singuitdrum   Click Here to Email singuitdrum     Edit/Delete Message
Yup, that's it ! just a plain ol' sustian pedal thats all you need. Try and find one that doesn't make a "CLICK" sound, DAMN ! thats annoying.

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