#332843 - 09/13/04 10:45 PM
Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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Well folks,
Thanks to Midisync who pioneered this I have just converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD using the same UJ-825 drive. The process was a whole lot quicker than I thought it would be, about an hour start to finish. Seems to work perfectly, only one problem: I forgot to buy some DVD-R media so I could only test it with a CD-R :rolleyes:
I've made lots of pictures and will try to cook up some DIY instructions for those interested. It's not actually very difficult to do imo as long as you take your time and keep things organized (ie remember which type of screw came goes where).
If I had to describe how difficult it is: somewhere between adding a PCI card to your PC and assembling a PC from scratch, but closer to the PCI card thing. There's simply a lot more screws but not actually that much disassembly required.
BTW This UJ-825 drive has a very robocop like sound when ejecting or taking in discs, pretty cool I think 
Thanks again Midisync for being the first to actually try this modification.
L8r,
Arjan
More info in this thread:
http://www.vsplanet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=012369
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#332844 - 09/13/04 10:51 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan, good job ! I'm interested also in possibly making the upgrade. Are you saying you changed the CD out with a new DVD player or did u modify the CD to now accept DVD's as well ?
In your opinion, what are the benefits to this ?
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#332846 - 09/14/04 12:05 AM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Peter Lancaster
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Arjan,
Well done. How much was the UJ-825? I've found them for about £120 (including delivery) in the UK.
Let us know when you've tested burning some DVD's how well it works and if it does everything to the specs of the 2480DVD or to the specs of the drive (which are slightly higher in some areas) e.g. 2xDVD-RW writing (not 1x) and 4xDVD-R writing (not 2x).
This seems like it may be a bargain way of giving a 2480CD a $400 upgrade to a 2480DVD.
Pete.
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#332847 - 09/14/04 03:27 AM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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SteveDWalker
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Anyone have a plan for the VS-2480HD?
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#332848 - 09/14/04 04:44 AM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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HumpHammer
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kewl deal Aaron.....wanna know more.
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#332849 - 09/14/04 09:28 AM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Big Ian
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This sounds good.
Ian
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#332850 - 09/14/04 09:56 AM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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althemusicwizard
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Well done, good news. Can't wait to see the pics.
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#332851 - 09/14/04 04:47 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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Are you saying you changed the CD out with a new DVD player
How much was the UJ-825? I've found them for about £120 (including delivery) in the UK.
http://www.tks-computer.de/Sonderposten/sonderposten.html
Their email address is TKS@PC-Sonderposten.de
They don't normally ship outside Germany unless you ask them. They didn't have any problem shipping to the Netherlands so I suppose shipping to the UK should not be a problem either.
One thing I did notice when I made an audio CD the speed was fixed to MAX. I think Midisync already reported this but can't remember for sure. Not a problem as far as I'm concerned. Burning at 1x speed is not neccessarily the way to the most reliable master, there are advantages to burning at higher speeds.
I've made some progress on the DIY instructions already but there's still some work that needs to be done and some things to be checked. Hope to finish it this week.
L8r,
Arjan
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#332852 - 09/15/04 12:27 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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KrasS
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Just a question, is it possible to convert a 2480HD to a 2480CD (i.e. 2480DVD)?
Regards,
KrasS
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#332854 - 09/15/04 06:33 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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KrasS
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Hey Arjan,
Thanks a lot for the quick and rather complete reply.
Of gewoon in het Nederlands: Hartstikke bedankt!
Regards,
KrasS
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#332855 - 09/15/04 07:01 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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Geez, there are just too many people here who speak or at least understand Dutch. Gotta watch my words here 
I've made some more progress with my DIY guide, will be posting it here soon.
L8r,
Arjan
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#332856 - 09/16/04 10:54 AM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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explosionrocker
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He Arjan, tof gedaan joh. (He Arjan, great job)Ik wacht met spanning op je DIY artikel.(waiting for your DIY article)
groeten(greetings) Martien 
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#332857 - 09/16/04 04:14 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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Hi guys,
I've uploaded a preliminary version of the DIY guide. I reckoned since everyone here seems to speak Dutch I might as well write the whole thing in it... Just kidding
Here's the link:
Complete Idiots Guide To 2480CD to 2480DVD conversion 
It's an Acrobat Reader .PDF file compressed with WinZip so I hope your browser software will ask you to save it rather than opening it directly from our server. If not please save this file to your hard drive by right-clicking and selecting 'Save As...' to minimize load the load on our server.
Let me know if you have any comments or suggestions.
Have fun,
Arjan
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#332858 - 09/16/04 07:09 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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midisync
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Originally posted by Arjan van Gog:
Let me know if you have any comments or suggestions.
Again congrats for a job well done and Thank you for the acknowledgement in the document.
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#332859 - 09/16/04 07:54 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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Well, the UJ-811 is the original unit that Roland used so I figure it should normally be ok. Your UJ-811 had a non-standard front so it looks like it really was a surplus part that was modified for a specific device, probably some notebook. The problems you were having were most likely attributable to a non-standard firmware or simply a faulty drive.
In general I do agree though that the UJ-825 is a better choice because of the faster speed (did you test if the 825 writes at full speed?) and also because I find I actually like the slot-loading mechanism. The slimline trays are so fragile that I'm always afraid of breaking them and support them when putting in a disc. They also only come out so far so you still need to pull it out the rest of they way by hand. The slot loader is way cooler I may revise the guide to reflect this preference but before I do that I'll wait for more comments on the guide as a whole.
Too bad the 2480 doesn't support DVD+R writing.
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#332861 - 09/16/04 09:12 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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midisync
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I see your point about the UJ-811 drive. It is the drive that Roland uses and I know some users actually perfer the tray load type. Although like you, I think that the slot load is much better!
I think the problem I that I had was related to the firmware level. I think that the actual model number displayed on the VS as UJ811-100 The '100' may have refered to the firmware level. Of course we can't update the DVD's firmware through the VS. So if you got a UJ-811 that wasn't updated you'd just be out of luck.
What feature(s) do we miss with our lack of support for DVD+R? (speed?.....) The DVD-R's are cheaper....
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#332862 - 09/17/04 09:28 AM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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So if you got a UJ-811 that wasn't updated you'd just be out of luck.
http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?category=14&manufactor=18
It's not quite clear to me if these are original firmwares or modified to be region-code free. The UJ-811 firmwares are only for Nec notebooks so I'm not sure if they would work with the 2480.
There's also a flash utility in the UJ-825 post which may work for other UJ-8.. drives too. I also got a cheap (EUR 10) slimline-IDE->IDE converter so I could put my UJ-825 in my PC and update the firmware if a newer version becomes available.
The place I bought my UJ-825 offers it with your firmware of choice (master or slave) so it may be possible to get an updated firmware for this drive if and when it becomes available from them.
What feature(s) do we miss with our lack of support for DVD+R? (speed?.....) The DVD-R's are cheaper....
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#332863 - 09/17/04 03:24 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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vsaided
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"And around here it seems that DVD+R is more popular than DVD-R."
My supplier in the states is saying just the opposite. As a matter of fact, the only 8x DVD's they can get right now are all DVD-R. I bought 500 last week. This is a pretty big supplier so I wonder if that's a picture of whats to come here?
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#332864 - 09/17/04 04:14 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Philips is one of the big proponents of the DVD+R standard. Philips is a Dutch company and I think it's because of them lobying that the tax on DVD-R is higher than on DVD+R.
I don't know, I just wish the 2480 would support both types, would ease my mind considerably. Having two 'standards' sucks.
I believe Philips has a 16x speed DVD+R available btw, at least it was anounced to be available this August or thereabouts.
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#332865 - 09/18/04 04:22 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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#332866 - 09/18/04 04:35 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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That's the one. Didn't get it from newegg myself but Midisync did and his works fine.
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#332867 - 09/18/04 05:59 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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johnvs1880
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Thanks Avg. I think I'll pick one up. $140 is a good price I think.
John
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#332868 - 09/18/04 08:20 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Originally posted by johnvs1880:
Thanks Avg. I think I'll pick one up. $140 is a good price I think.
John
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#332869 - 09/18/04 10:03 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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johnvs1880
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nobody even comes close to that price!
is there anything else i need? cables or anything?
the great thing is it'll still be a cd-r if you still want to burn to a cd-r, right?
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#332870 - 09/18/04 11:15 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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the great thing is it'll still be a cd-r if you still want to burn to a cd-r, right?
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#332871 - 09/18/04 11:16 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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And no, you don't need anything else, no cables no nothing, just the drive. You do need proper screwdrivers ofcourse, especially for those 4 tiny screws that hold the drive in the bay. I used my electronic screwdriver set but not everybody will have screwdrivers that small.
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#332872 - 09/18/04 11:27 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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midisync
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Originally posted by Arjan van Gog:
And no, you don't need anything else, no cables no nothing, just the drive. You do need proper screwdrivers ofcourse, especially for those 4 tiny screws that hold the drive in the bay. I used my electronic screwdriver set but not everybody will have screwdrivers that small.
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#332873 - 09/19/04 10:32 AM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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Hi guys,
I just did some searching on Google and this may be a possible solution for adding an external DVD-R to a 2480HD:
http://www.iodata.com/usa/products/produ...21&pId=IDSC21-E
I think this looks very promising. If you combine this with a Matshita UJ-8.. drive with a mini-IDE->IDE converter (about $10) it might work but someone will have to step forward and try it. The drive may not have to be a slimline series for this to work but again someone will have to try.
According to this page there is a special version for Panasonic (=Matshita!) drives:
http://www.devicenet-usa.com/product_en.html#IDSC21P
It's probably just the same hardware with different firmware. The bad news is that devicenet-usa does not have the converter in stock 'until April 2004' so I don't know what that means for availability.
L8r,
Arjan
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#332874 - 09/19/04 10:49 AM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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This is also interesting:
http://www.iodata.com/usa/products/IDSC21_Tips.php
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DVD Recordable Drive Usage
- Panasonic SW-9571-CYY (LF-D521) DVD MULTI Drive
>> Need IDSC21-E(PA) - Panasonic LF-D311 Combination DVD-RAM / DVD-R Drive
>> Need IDSC21-E(PA) - Panasonic SW-9581 DVD MULTI Drive (No link on hp web site)
- Panasonic LF-D321 Combination DVD-RAM / DVD-R Drive (Japan)
The UJ-8.. slimline drives are not listed but I think that's just because they haven't tested them for lack of interest. And like I said I think the 2480 may be able to work with non UJ-8 drives as long as they are from Matshita (Panasonic).
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#332875 - 09/19/04 10:58 AM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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Just found out that the 'special Panasonic' version of this interface is discontinued, however I think the regular version will work fine because according to this the only difference with the regular version is a different layout that fits better with some Panasonic drives:
* Panasonic some DVD multi drives have their unique IDE backside space. To keep high reliability and good compatibility, the IDSC21-E(PA) is designed to fit this backside with a long cable and a special sticker.
Since it doesn't have to fit inside the 2480 I think the regular version of their interface may work fine, after all the regular version does support several Panasonic drives according to the supported drives list.
That will be all for today, have other things to do.
L8r,
Arjan
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#332876 - 09/22/04 08:21 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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SteveDWalker
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Isn't that made by Acard? I'm sure it is.
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#332877 - 09/22/04 09:50 PM
Re: Done it: Converted my 2480CD to a 2480DVD - incl DIY instructions + 2480HD SOLUTION??
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Arjan van Gog
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Why do you think so? Seems to me to be a completely seperate company and product. The specs are quite different from the Acard product.
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