Dynaudio..Well, what can I say, not really in the same ball park to my ears..The Dynaudio BM5A's just rocked..Tight focused bass, not muddy. Crystal clear high's, etc, etc. I was really impressed. We ran some of my mixes through each and with the Dynaudio's, you could hear clearly the reverb trails, the sizzle in the cymbals, and everything. Things that I couldn't hear with the Truth's

BY GAWS ------- My home stereo's and car have bass subs, that compensate. But then again, if I'm not hearing what I'm susposed to, more the need to upgrade my monitors..

Originally posted by ScreamTrumpetGuy:
Listening to monitors in a perfect space is totally irrelevant. Measuring speakers is totally irrelevant. You can go ahead and go measure every monitor to your hearts content, I'll choose based on listening any day. I want a monitor that lets me hear what's really there in a way that's easy to listen to. I don't want to feel like there are socks in my ears at the end of the day. I couldn't care less about the frequency response of my monitors as long as they help me hear what I want. If a speaker has a notable deficiency that's going to show up in a measurement test, I'm going to be able to hear it. If I can't hear it over a several hour shootout, when properly A/Bing it with other monitors, then I really don't care. If I can't hear it, then as far as I'm concerned it isn't there. Why waste your time worrying about things that you can't hear? The only tool you need to make proper judgements about anything in audio is your ears. Most people fall into the trap of worrying about what they think others hear. Nobody wants to be the only guy in the room who can't hear the difference between two things, so many people end up fooling themselves into stupidity. There have been many times where someone is twiddling a knob on a compressor or something and I pipe up to say that I can't hear any change. Alot of times the compressor isn't in, or the insert switch isn't pressed on the console. There have been times where I honestly couldn't hear the difference between settings, but it's not embarrasing in the least. TRUST YOUR EARS. BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF. MEASUREMENTS ARE FOR DESIGN ENGINEERS AND RETAILERS.

Listening to monitors in a perfect space is totally irrelevant. Measuring speakers is totally irrelevant. You can go ahead and go measure every monitor to your hearts content, I'll choose based on listening any day.

Originally posted by Popmann:
So long as it's an educated listen, I agree completely. Listening for "good" does you no good either. You have to listen for "qualities" you KNOW are on the recording--and do the monitors make that clear.

I have actually NEVER heard my mixes sound better than on a friend's Truths. All the flaws I knew were there? Masked very nicely. If I needed bookshelf sized stereo speakers, I'd buy them in heartbeat, given the price. But, if a vocal's harsh, I want the montiors to tell me that.

Originally posted by gattshalls:
"I have actually NEVER heard my mixes sound better than on a friend's Truths. All the flaws I knew were there? Masked very nicely."

If you know there are flaws. Should you buy the monitor because they hide flaws or because they give you the .............truest..... refection of your recording.

Kid I think your right, but maybe you can elaborate on this point.

Originally posted by Spargo:
Soooooooo ..... Some speakers are so good that they are bad?

Originally posted by bdorman:
Assuming the purpose of monitors is to help us achieve a mix that sounds good on most consumers stereos...isn't that the only measure that matters?

I get nervous when someone says "I could hear things (reverb tails, etc) that I couldn't hear on lesser monitors." So what? the "better" monitor made it stand out. So, I turn down the reverb tail until it sounds good on the monitor. But now there's NO reverb tail on the consumer stereo!

Just like you guys, my gut tells me that More Accurate Is Better. But that same gut tells me that Too Accurate Might Be Chasing My Tail.

Bob

Originally posted by bdorman:
Assuming the purpose of monitors is to help us achieve a mix that sounds good on most consumers stereos...isn't that the only measure that matters?

I get nervous when someone says "I could hear things (reverb tails, etc) that I couldn't hear on lesser monitors." So what? the "better" monitor made it stand out. So, I turn down the reverb tail until it sounds good on the monitor. But now there's NO reverb tail on the consumer stereo!

Just like you guys, my gut tells me that More Accurate Is Better. But that same gut tells me that Too Accurate Might Be Chasing My Tail.[/QB]

Originally posted by bdorman:
Assuming the purpose of monitors is to help us achieve a mix that sounds good on most consumers stereos...isn't that the only measure that matters?

I get nervous when someone says "I could hear things (reverb tails, etc) that I couldn't hear on lesser monitors." So what? the "better" monitor made it stand out. So, I turn down the reverb tail until it sounds good on the monitor. But now there's NO reverb tail on the consumer stereo!

Just like you guys, my gut tells me that More Accurate Is Better. But that same gut tells me that Too Accurate Might Be Chasing My Tail.

Bob

It will be interesting to compare finished mixes done on the Dynaudio's, and how they will sound comming through the Truths after the fact..