#371343 - 05/17/05 08:04 AM
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Dot
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I didn't really want to do this but the cat was out of the bag and I had the information.
http://www.studioreviews.com/m16-460.htm
For you guys who like to watch train wrecks, there's a topic about this over at Gear Slutz.
http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?t=33354
No one can say that Studio Reviews only does good reviews!
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#371344 - 05/17/05 08:34 AM
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Randyman...
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#371345 - 05/17/05 12:15 PM
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Dan7
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Wow, cant believe its freakin identical, thanks Dot! So who makes an identical U47 knockoff? =)
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#371346 - 05/17/05 01:12 PM
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Arjan van Gog
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Wouldn't this
- Extensive capsule selection and transformer matching by Telefunken process engineers (same persons assembling our TK12 capsules & hand picking T14/1 transformers found in our Ela M 251 and M12 microphones).
And of course the mere fact (?) of it being assembled in the USA would mean a huge increase in labor cost. Doesn't neccessarily mean it's any better than a Chinese manufactured mic, but if you want that 'made in USA' stamp on your gear you're gonna pay for the labor too.
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#371347 - 05/17/05 04:02 PM
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motown59
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There may be a little more to it than meets the eye... I'll gladly pay Groove tubes their premium to quality control and match tubes. Dot will have to fill us in on the news
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#371348 - 05/17/05 07:30 PM
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Ghost of Cosmic Pig
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Probably is Motown. I used to own an Apex tube and it sucked ass. I think it was a 460 too, but that was a while back before they changed the look. It was black.
Hopefully it sounds better but i ain't holding my breath. Apex is I believe the same company that makes Elite speakers and Yorkville stuff.
Cos.
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#371350 - 05/17/05 09:30 PM
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Dot
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This is not a sales ploy. I wouldn't do that. Anyway – Sound Pure doesnt' carry Telefunken or Apex. The mics are on loan to me from the manufacturers for The Listening Sessions and Studio Reviews.
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#371353 - 05/17/05 10:32 PM
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yoda
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Sooooo....
Who sells the Apex??? Musicians Friend? Banjo Center??
Anyone know???
Change out the tube in Apex with a NOS Tele ECC83... that could be interesting... sounds like u need to swap out the output amp tho...
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#371354 - 05/17/05 10:35 PM
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SlobberMonster
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wow Dan,
So is Tele just badging the same chinese mic or is China copying Telefunken?? Pretty wierd, huh?
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#371356 - 05/17/05 10:44 PM
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Baz²
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Originally posted by Ghost of Cosmic Pig:
Probably is Motown. I used to own an Apex tube and it sucked ass.
Cos.
From what I've heard done with the 460, it ain't bad at all...pretty damn good actually.
Baz
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#371358 - 05/18/05 08:13 PM
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mixman
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The Apex microphones are supplied by AVL in Taiwan as far as I know. The Apex mic is an exact internal design of this mic with just a slight body change...
Click Here
There are much better tube mikes out there that sound and spec out way better for not much more money, but everything flows down to the budget, the room, the talent, and the users experience to capture the performance. Not everyone will get the same results as a Telefunken model with this mic.
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#371359 - 05/18/05 08:51 PM
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pabloj
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Very COOL Dan!!,
Have you done any checking on the PPA LD-2ube mic, I think they are out of Seattle
http://www.pacificproaudio.com/m_frame.asp?url=ld2_specs.asp
Pabloj
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#371360 - 05/18/05 09:57 PM
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mixman
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PPA is out of Shanghai and only sold by Pacific Pro Audio...They are made in China, not Seattle...Another off the shelf mic but I have not heard them, but I have heard that design in many brand names....
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#371361 - 05/19/05 03:50 AM
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Dot
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Yikes - the M16/460 article has only been online for 48 hours and already there've been over 10,000 requests for the page.
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#371362 - 05/19/05 03:56 AM
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MIKE@cave studios
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yea its all over like a wildfire hahahaha this is good
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#371363 - 05/19/05 03:57 AM
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MIKE@cave studios
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heres the thing thats bad ....a guy is trying to get different mics and ends up with the same thing
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#371365 - 05/19/05 04:33 AM
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mike buzz
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So Dot nobody appears to have asked this ? , is this a direct comparison between the mics ( same room / gain / mount / pre / etc. ) ?????
If so truely amazing !!!
Later
Buzz
PS: if you want that mic etc. for your needs
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#371367 - 05/19/05 09:42 AM
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dahjah
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why is it amazing or a surprise?
The chinese are making all kinds of stuff.
US owned companies are doing alot of their manufacturing over there. Chinese companies will make the same thing for different companies and put the next logo on it.
Did you know (I'm in the auto industry) that after GM got into china a company names Chery popped up after the same company was hired to build Chevy's?
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#371368 - 05/19/05 12:27 PM
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wozric
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No surprise here. We've always known a £2000 mic is not 10 times better than a £200 mic. You pay a lot for that last little extra bit of warmth or openness or clarity - whatever it is that the particular expensive brand in question offers.
Like they say, it's not what you've got its what you do with it.
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#371369 - 05/21/05 07:00 AM
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Dot
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This editorial addition has been added to the M16/460 test page at Studio Reviews .
EDITORIAL ADDITION: May 20, 2005
Since the bench test between an R-F-T M16 and Apex 460 was published earlier this week, Studio Reviews — an online publication started a little more than a month ago in April 2005 — has received over 50,000 hits in the last three days, and the M16/460 test page alone has had over 22,000 requests. Obviously we've been contacted by Telefunken USA on the matter.
This evening we ended up having an eye opening interview with Telefunken North America's CEO Toni Fishman. This new information we received from Mr. Fishman regarding the founding and modern development of R-F-T "Funkwerk" Microphone & Electronics, a new division of Telefunken North America, was so compelling and exciting that I asked if we could publish an interview. We were given confidential information and images of products currently under development. Studio Reviews will soon be publishing an official statement from Toni Fishman as well as an in-depth interview about his company's developments.
Dan Richards
Editor, Studio Reviews
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#371370 - 05/21/05 10:33 AM
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BearM
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I’m surprised more people haven’t jumped on the Apex 460. It’s a cool looking, great sounding, versatile, and solid built mic. Ok, I’m not a big fan of the type of shock mount that comes with it, but it does hold the mic firmly in any position.
(Admit it Dave, you got the 450 because you liked the black casing, the extra few switches, and bulkier size… I think you were just trying to impress that hot chick you were recording, right?).
I have a pile of nice mics but I’m always looking for something a little different. After using the 460 for about 6 or 7 months now, forget about the low price, I can definitely say it should be worth a lot more. For some reason I’ve grown attached to using this mic. I find myself reaching for it first and wanting to use it on just about everything. But, sometimes it’s not suitable for whatever reason (just like any other mic), and I end up using something else.
It produces excellent results on vocals (both male and female), and on 6 and 12 string acoustic guitars. I’ve used it on drums to capture overheads (figure 8), and the room (omni and cardioid). It sounds good on just about anything. I believe the trick to this mic (other than using a good preamp), is to experiment “away” from the standard cardioid position. By switching it a couple of settings towards figure eight or a couple of settings towards omni, this thing can really open up and captures some great tones.
If someone doesn’t have a good large condenser already, this is easily a $1,000 mic for a third of the price. Tube mics generally have a higher noise floor but usually no more than a few db’s, and the floor is respectable enough with the 460 that it compares to many expensive mics anyway. Unless you’re recording “air” at ridiculous levels, you may never hear the noise floor of this mic.
What else can I say about the 460? I own it, use it, I love the tones I can get out of it, and the price is great too. I plan on getting a second one and I’d highly recommend checking this mic out.
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#371372 - 05/22/05 02:21 AM
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MIKE@cave studios
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how do you know its a deal ?? until you here it
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#371373 - 05/22/05 02:30 AM
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Popmann
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I'm still trying to figure out why someone would buy a $300 mic that they haven't heard because they found out it's the same mic (or close) to a $1300 mic they haven't heard.
Does this mean the $300 mic is great?
Or that because a mic is $1300 it's good?
Or particularly that a mic that's 1300 but really has the guts of a $300 mic is good.
Why don't they just knock off an 67 or 87 for $300? Or 5. Or a grand. Hmmm.
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#371375 - 05/23/05 05:27 AM
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brimstonerecording
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Hey anyone have any experience with any other APEX mics
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about a lot of this Chinese stuff but, I ain't no gear snob and if it works, I'm on it!
