Enda_Reilly
(Space Cadet)
03/04/18 03:25 PM
Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Hello,

I've been trying to convert from the HDD to an SSD hard-drive and I'm having problems. Firstly thanks Canefire for your videos and thanks to vsplanet for the instructions in the pdf of Franks files.
I have a VS2480DVD and i purchased a SanDisk SSD PLUS 120GB Solid State Drive and the Kitbon 2.5"/3.5" SATA to 40Pin IDE PATA Converter Adapter Card Adapter via dealextreme.

There is a black plastic tab on two pins at one end of the converter, which I initially left on, thinking
that would make it the master, but when I turn the machine on I get SCSI: OK and then nothing else.
When I remove the black plastic tab, I get all the way to formatting the drive but right at the end when
I try to do "quick format" and "no scan" and "10GB" a message comes up to say it failed.

The converter does look different to the one in canefire's video so i wonder is it that? or might the drive i got be
incompatible?

Any help would be great. Thanks.

E


uptildawn
(Planeteer)
03/04/18 03:52 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Look for a "manual" for your SSD and assuming you find something, it should describe where that jumper (black plastic tab) should go. There may be more than one configuration for it.

Other than that, I got nothing to add at this point.... best of luck with the mod though.


I_CaneFire
(Planeteer)
03/04/18 10:11 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

you have the wrong adapter. You need the exact one that is in my video. People have tried with others and it did not work.

For some reason Roland gear is finnicky about adapters and converters. I think it has something to do with the time of development. My akai gear can use all sorts of adapters for all sorts of different peripherals. Roland needs ver specific items.

So read the description on the video and get the right adapter. Also you need the jumper (little plastic that goes over the metal prongs) to be set to master. It must be on the adapter.

My vs2480s are on OS 2.505 and 2.504 respectively.

here is the name of the adapter...
SATA TO PATA IDE Converter Adapter Plug&Play 7+15 Pin 3.5/2.5 SATA HDD DVD BG


Cheers,
Ian


croaky
(Planeteer)
03/05/18 02:57 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD


Just to reiterate above post...

I did exactly as Ian said in his video and it worked perfectly!

Frank


Enda_Reilly
(Space Cadet)
03/05/18 04:19 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Thanks a mill. I just bought a new adapter on Amazon so hopefully that'll do the trick.

Enda


RevBill
(Planeteer)
03/05/18 11:57 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Why are you converting? Is it a speed or capacity issue, to eliminate drive noise, availability of drives? Maybe to transfer files more efficiently to PC?

Just curious about the perceived benefits. Not doing much music at present but maybe some tinkering will inspire me.


Enda_Reilly
(Space Cadet)
03/06/18 03:55 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Hi RevBill,

I'm hoping it'll be quieter. I love the stability of it for recording onto, but the hums from it have always annoyed me a bit. I usually have mics very close by to record myself on guitar and vocal and I have put pillows etc in the way it'd be great if the VS was almost silent. I switched the fan out for a silenz fan a while back as well.

I've been recording onto iPad to Auria with the RME Babyface and that's very quiet but limited track wise and the software can change etc.
E


RevBill
(Planeteer)
03/06/18 09:53 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Thanks, hope it works out for you. It’s definitely not yhe quietest machine though honestly my recording issues have more to do,with my technique.

Starliner
(Planeteer)
03/06/18 04:48 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Ian,

What is the link to the video you mentioned, or what post?
Thanks.

Starliner


Cantsleep
(Planeteer)
03/09/18 01:19 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I've bought 3 SATA converters. One (from France) is exactly like the one in the video. None of them have ever worked.

uptildawn
(Planeteer)
03/09/18 08:58 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

 Originally Posted By: I_CaneFire
you have the wrong adapter. You need the exact one that is in my video. People have tried with others and it did not work…

So read the description on the video and get the right adapter…

here is the name of the adapter...
SATA TO PATA IDE Converter Adapter Plug&Play 7+15 Pin 3.5/2.5 SATA HDD DVD BG
Cheers,
Ian


Unfortunately and as with some other adapter/mod components tried for the VS, the problems people like Cantsleep has had (tried 3,… even one exactly “like”…), may be due to the item NOT being the exact brand, model, model, version, or even batch as the item given by CaneFire.

I was going to suggest that CaneFire should give the exact mane brand and model – even version – if he could find it on the packaging, or on the card, but I don’t think that this information could be enough sometimes.

As with the SD card adapter I myself used in a mod for the 1680 and people have been chasing about for a few years with little to no success, even when the card looks identical and is sold by the same seller, it is often not the same at the component level as manufacturers update their product from time to time and maybe more often today, switch out components on the card with more readily available and/or cheaper versions in order to keep costs down, or simply in order to continue to offer the product.

I imagine that in the average computer, these changes don’t usually matter and the items work just fine…. But this is the VS….. Sometimes things apparently need to be “exactly the same” and not “exactly like”.


GazLowe
(Planeteer)
03/14/18 04:24 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Hi,

I would also suggest trying to change the ssd to a intel 520 120 gig drive, they tend to work well,.


Enda_Reilly
(Space Cadet)
03/24/18 06:23 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Hello again,

Thanks for the input. I bought the closest to what iancanefire said and it arrived just the other day, but alas it still doesn't work. I notice that there's a square chip in the centre of the board but in Ian's video that looks like a circular disc. The package also had "Windows Vista" on it which didn't inspire me.

Also when the jumper is set to master I get no response at all at startup but when the jumper is on slave it lets me try a format and then just fails. Cruel.

Could it be that the one I have needs a driver and is not "plug and play"( or standalone or class compliant) whereas iancanefire's is? The problem as mentioned by uptildawn is getting the right model.

Perhaps like Gazlowe said, the ssd is the problem so I'll have a look and see how much an Intel 520 120gb is. The other difference is my VS2480 is the CD upgraded to DVD model not the HD.

Right now I just put the old hard drive back and I'm reformatting it so I can get a fresh start and stuck in to starting a new album. As always I'll keep the pillows on standby to reduce the hard drive whirr. I have some external compressors and eq that I want to be able to use and the VS has nice routing capabilities so hopefully I can get cracking soon.

Thanks again


I_CaneFire
(Planeteer)
03/24/18 07:50 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Hi,
This is so sad to hear. Someone contacted me regarding my youtube video stating that the picture in the beginning of the video is not the same adapter as the one actually used.
I took that picture from the ebay page of the sale. So the picture didn't match the product. However it was the description of the product that led me to the purchase not the picture. THe picture did not have the jumper.

I think I need to open my vs2480, take out the adapter and do a video with a magnifying glass. At least this way people will have a good close look at both sides of the correct adapter that worked for me and a few others.

Are all the people having trouble in the US or Europe? I wonder if the part has compliance issues.
Thanks
Ian


Cantsleep
(Planeteer)
03/24/18 04:55 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Looking forward to the new video. Thank you.

Enda_Reilly
(Space Cadet)
03/25/18 11:28 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I'm in Europe. I bought on Amazon from Universal Color, who have a US address but the pakage came from China.

Enda_Reilly
(Space Cadet)
03/25/18 03:30 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I just had a look at Ian's videos again and I think it's just a QC sticker his has that mine doesn't.

Enda_Reilly
(Space Cadet)
04/11/18 03:11 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Thanks to Ian for making another close up video. https://youtu.be/wUw0n2JIfk0 The adapter I have is exactly the same as far as I can see. JP103-5. The slave pin on my adapter is angled slightly but that was the only difference. Even the large chip looks exactly the same round the edges.

So that means I should try a different ssd (look at Tin Mans comment on Hard drives below the video, very interesting) or else it just doesn't work on the VS2480CD/DVD model. The hooking up internally is quite different to the HD model so it's a possibility. Has anyone with the CD model got this to work?


Basset77
(Space Cadet)
01/05/19 09:23 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Is there a particular SSD that I should purchase? Or is any brand ok?
I’m going to try and upgrade my vs2400
The noise off the drive is ridiculously loud and I mainly want to record vocals and acoustic guitar


donw35
(Space Cadet)
01/07/19 07:01 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

just to chime in here, I bought this card on amazon
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003AG79GO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I am using an intel SSD 520 120GB drive and it is working, I did a physical format on it that took hours but I am up and running.

dead silent now.


frotje
(Planeteer)
01/08/19 06:26 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Hi,

I used converter : https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/cUWm1om4
with Samsung 120G SSD.
After formatting (you must do this step!) i have 10x 11.5 Gb + 1x 5 Gb disks available.


369
(Space Cadet)
04/15/19 12:18 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Hello everybody.
I've been following your posts and I'm also trying to convert my 2 vs 2480-DVD to ssd with no success.
I have also a vs 2000 which I easily convert to ssd. I even tried the ssd on the 2480 after formatted on the vs 2000 and still no success.
I'm wondering if it has to do with dvd model.
Did anyone scceed the change to ssd with the dvd model?


369
(Space Cadet)
04/15/19 07:21 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Hi. Can you tell which model did you convert? HD or CD/DVD?
I'm trying with CD/DVD model and had no results.


Tiger
(Planeteer)
04/15/19 08:44 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Hi,

I have not thought that much about getting a ssd yet since I already have a Song-Vault with 2 swappable HDs, in addition to the internal 80 GB one. But is there a special reason for mounting the ssd inside the VS-2480? Can it be used as an external HD instead, like the Song-Vault via SCSI?


uptildawn
(Planeteer)
04/15/19 10:31 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I think most people originally wanted to go solid state to reduce the amount of noise in the room (being able to shut off or replace the fan also was a big goal) - and that may be because a lot of people used mics in close proximity to their VS. Later on - almost simultaneously, it was a way to get tracks into the pc environment where more complex and faster processing and mixing can generally be done.

I personally still use the 1680 (not often now) and have an external CD Rack (Roland-branded), which has both a Plextor CD drive and an extra bay for (originally) a Glyph hard drive and caddy. I finally got around to retrofitting a more generic caddy into the empty drive bay and I have one caddy fitted with an IDE hard drive and another fitted with a CF/SD card adapter. The flash card adapter works quite well with the 1680. I might assume that an ssd like one of the 2.5" Samsung drives might work as well in an appropriately outfitted external unit for use with the 2480. Might certainly be worth looking into how to add some sort of mod for your Song Vault - maybe something you can swap out, back and forth, as needed.

Somebody with a 2480 will be able to give an opinion on how well that might function with the higher track counts of a 2480.


369
(Space Cadet)
04/15/19 11:59 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Besides the reducing of noise, the IDE drives for vs are becoming rare and expensive and Song Vault external SCSI out of production. So, I'm trying to find a alternative solution for the inside drive and also for the external SCSI.

369
(Space Cadet)
04/16/19 06:32 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Some more information on this:
vs2480CD/DVD - IDE to SATA adapter JP103-5 - Kingston A400 120GB.

Jumper set to master: the vs does't detect the ssd drive, it stays still after "SCSI OK";

Jumper set to slave: the vs does detect the ssd as a SCSI 2 but can't format it;

Jumper out: the vs does detect the ssd but stays still after that.

If anyone have more information, please share it.

Thank you.


369
(Space Cadet)
04/17/19 07:51 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Hi frotje, can you tell the model of the Samsung ssd?
Which vs 2480 model are you using? DVD or HD?
Many thanks.


frotje
(Planeteer)
04/18/19 09:14 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I use the DVD version. Samsung type is EVO 120 Gb.

frotje
(Planeteer)
04/18/19 09:17 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I used quick format to get the drive formatted & recognized.

369
(Space Cadet)
04/18/19 01:18 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Hi fratje.
I've been struggling with my DVD version and once you have the same one I'll try the same combination.
Thank you so much.


Tiger
(Planeteer)
04/21/19 07:58 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

This conversion thing is interesting. At some point sooner or later I will probably do the same. But instead of opening up the VS-2480CD without knowing for sure that the adapter and ssd actually is going to work, it seems like a better idea in my case to install these two in the inner tray that goes into the Song-Vault and are connected via SCSI. If this work, I assume they will also work internally. And if so, I could also replace my two external 160 GB HDs (120 GB are used by the 2480) with ssd and adapters. And after that I could probably just disconnect the fan in the Song-Vault as it will no longer be needed.

That is an option anyway.


The original inner tray paper box:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/dfERV5gfCacngy16A

The inner tray with the lid open:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rhqPjihpurzai8pT8

The Song-Vault with swappable HDs:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NtF8yD7kdaASpwTF8




369
(Space Cadet)
04/22/19 12:12 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

That's exactly what I'm looking for, but I decided to try the internal one first.

Tiger
(Planeteer)
04/22/19 03:16 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I see. Thanks to you and uptildawn for the info above!

369
(Space Cadet)
04/22/19 07:55 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I'm waiting for some more IDE-SATA adapters I bought and try them with a Sumsung EVO ssd - info shared by fratje. As soon as I have more details I will share.

369
(Space Cadet)
05/26/19 08:47 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I finally got the right ssd to work with my VS2480 DVD. I bought a Samsung v-nand 860 EVO 250 GB, as advised by fratje, and it worked with both IDE to SATA adapters: the one he told and JP103-5. The VS recognized the drive right away and then I get it formated with physical format and surface scan both OFF. Now I will try external SCSI as soon as I receive the adapter.

369
(Space Cadet)
05/26/19 08:51 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Hi fratje. I finally got it to work. Thank you so much for your advise.

frotje
(Planeteer)
05/29/19 03:48 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

You're welcome!

slingacat
(Space Cadet)
06/17/19 03:43 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I'm in the process of trying to update my VS-2480CD from version 2.50 to version 2.504 so that I can then install a DVD.
Once the DVD is installed and working, backup all of my data, and then upgrade to a 120GB SSD.
Did any of you have problems getting the Roland to go into "update mode" when putting in the CD with the new ISO ?
Having re-downloaded, re-extracted, and re-burned the image file to CD twice, I still cannot get into update mode even after following the instructions (from Roland and from members) to the letter.
Please help if you are able!
Thank you very much,
Don (slingacat)


slingacat
(Space Cadet)
06/17/19 05:44 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Please disregard. After erasing all of my downloaded images, and starting all over again, I was able to follow the steps and update my unit to v2.504.
Next steps, install a DVD drive, back up files, then install the 120 GB SDD.
Thanks for you patience, and sorry for the false alarm.


Cantsleep
(Planeteer)
07/01/19 01:50 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I now have 5 IDE to SATA adaptors and 2 SSD cards. Only one adapter is recognized by the VS but will not format. I'm wondering if there is some setting in the VS preventing these from working.

B#
(Planeteer)
09/03/19 11:19 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Hey, any luck/update with using SSD's internally in a VS2480CD/DVD, both internally and externally (using the 2480's SCSI port) ?

FalconEddy
(Planeteer)
09/05/19 12:52 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

 Originally Posted By: B#
Hey, any luck/update with using SSD's internally in a VS2480CD/DVD, both internally and externally (using the 2480's SCSI port) ?


No, I thought all of that was fully resolved, at least internally.

The 2480 system is SCSI. Roland primarily used that platform because it was cheap technology. Save money on the design.

The internal hard drives on oh the HD, CD, and DVD models are all IDE. The original version (HD) uses a hard drive caddy to mount the drive in it which connects to a SCSI to IDE conversion board. The end of that drive caddy slides and soft-docks into a SCSI connector. Then locked into place by placing a screwdriver into a slotted-type, 1/4 turn, latching mechanism.

The CD and DVD model hard drives (which came from the factory TWICE the size of the HD model's drive;are housed in an metal encasement underneath their CD-RW's or DVD-RW's drive, and are both IDE. They utilize basically the same SCSI to IDE conversion board as the HD model.

However, the CD-RW and DVD-RW burners are both SCSI. You'll need to bear this in mind if you plan to upgrade your CD model to a DVD model. A rather simple upgrade.

Now, as far as the SSD conversion goes, they're using a SATA TO PATA IDE converter cdapter Plug&Play 7+15 Pin 3.5/2.5, with either RDX 629A 2008 printed on the board, or preferably, JP-103-5.

This is being used in conjunction with one of two currently acceptable (hence working on 2480 OS v2.504) SSD cards:

1) Samsung 860 Pro 256GB 2.5' SATA III internal SSD (MZ-76P256BW) using V NAND technology.

2) Kingston (SV300S37A) 120GB SSDNow V300 Series 2.5" x 7mm internal SATA III also using V NAND technology.

Since the 2480 is limited to only recognizing around 126GB anyway, you first, best destiny MAY BE to go with the Kingston SSD drive. This was researched and implemented by Planet user canefire.

But, he has a 2480HD.

Are you concerned about having an internal drive you can't get to without opening your unit?

What's the issue?

. . Falcon


B#
(Planeteer)
09/05/19 09:11 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

 Originally Posted By: FalconEddy
 Originally Posted By: B#
Hey, any luck/update with using SSD's internally in a VS2480CD/DVD, both internally and externally (using the 2480's SCSI port) ?


SSD conversion: SATA TO PATA IDE converter cdapter Plug&Play 7+15 Pin 3.5/2.5, with either RDX 629A 2008 printed on the board, or preferably, JP-103-5.

Being used in conjunction with one of two currently acceptable (hence working on 2480 OS v2.504) SSD cards:

1) Samsung 860 Pro 256GB 2.5' SATA III internal SSD (MZ-76P256BW) using V NAND technology.

2) Kingston (SV300S37A) 120GB SSDNow V300 Series 2.5" x 7mm internal SATA III also using V NAND technology.

Are you concerned about having an internal drive you can't get to without opening your unit?
- NO CONCERN IN THIS AREA FALCON.

What's the issue?
- THIS THREAD CAUGHT MY EYE AND INTERESTS ME IN GOING TO SSD DRIVES NOT ONLY FOR INTERNAL BUT ALSO FOR AN EXTERNAL BACKUP SYSTEM.
- I CURRENTLY USE A SONG VAULT (WITH 3 CARTRIDGES) THAT I USE FOR BACKUP. EVERY ONCE INA WHILE THE SONG VAULT GETS A LITTLE TEMPERMENTAL IN STARTING EACH BACKUP DRIVE AND SOMETIMES COMING READY. SO, BEFORE I GET TO A POINT WHERE THE SONG VAULT BECOMES UNRELIABLE OR NOT WORKING, I WANTED TO GO AHEAD WITH A SOLUTION TO REPLACE THE SONG VAULT WITH A SCSI TO SSD SOLUTION. WHEN I HAVE THAT UP AND RUNNING,THEN I'D LIKE TO REPLACE BOTH MY VS2480DVD INTERNAL DRIVES WITH SSD.

RIGHT NOW, I'M AT THE POINT IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PARTS I NEED TO REPLACE THE SONG VAULT AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE PARTS I NEED FOR THE INTERNAL DRIVE REPLACEMENT. THANK YOU FOR NETTING THIS OUT FOR THE EXACT PARTS NEEDED FOR THE INTERNAL SSD CONVERSION. LIKE YOU MENTIONED THO, THE PARTS USED FOR THE INTERNAL WAS ON A 2480HD.

YOU ARE ALWAYS THERE FOR ME FALCON...THANK YOU SIR !

p.s. Sorry for the "caps"...I'm not yelling, just making my response stand out forya mate.

. . Falcon


FalconEddy
(Planeteer)
09/05/19 06:41 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Mo, bear in mind this is all from memory, but I'm confident it's correct.

. . Falcon


FalconEddy
(Planeteer)
09/06/19 09:05 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Mo, there's also a 128GB Samsung SSD that works.

I'm pretty sure it's a 2.5" 128GB SSD (SATA III - 6.0Gbps)

P/N MZ7PC128HAFU-000H1

Model MZ-7PC1280/0H1

Second barcode from the top was HP P/N 675546-001

You can get them cheap on ebay used, $15 to $25.

. . Falcon



B#
(Planeteer)
09/09/19 10:24 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

 Originally Posted By: FalconEddy
Mo, bear in mind this is all from memory, but I'm confident it's correct.

. . Falcon


I appreciate that Falcon, I may order some parts and see if I can get them working also. As I mentioned, my main interest was finding a solution for an external SCSI to SSD, using the VS's external SCSI port. Appreciate it mate ! Mo


FalconEddy
(Planeteer)
09/10/19 12:10 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

 Originally Posted By: B#

I appreciate that Falcon, I may order some parts and see if I can get them working also. As I mentioned, my main interest was finding a solution for an external SCSI to SSD, using the VS's external SCSI port. Appreciate it mate ! Mo


Yes, I knew that, but was waiting for this reply of yours before I went any further.

Now, what you'll need to do is acquire an older external 50 pin SCSI hard drive unit. There were tons of them made in the 80's. I have a couple of 100MB Microtech's that I pulled out the old SCSI drives and replaced them with 16GB SCSI drives.

I'm going to work on this project for you after I get my SSD's and adapter cards. It'll still need some type of transition cabling. I already have a male x male SCSI to IDE adapter, so I'll try working with that one first.

Also have ACARD setup and removable drives, etc. to play with.

. . Falcon


B#
(Planeteer)
09/10/19 08:36 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

 Originally Posted By: FalconEddy
 Originally Posted By: B#

I appreciate that Falcon, I may order some parts and see if I can get them working also. As I mentioned, my main interest was finding a solution for an external SCSI to SSD, using the VS's external SCSI port. Appreciate it mate ! Mo


Yes, I knew that, but was waiting for this reply of yours before I went any further.

Now, what you'll need to do is acquire an older external 50 pin SCSI hard drive unit. There were tons of them made in the 80's. I have a couple of 100MB Microtech's that I pulled out the old SCSI drives and replaced them with 16GB SCSI drives.

I'm going to work on this project for you after I get my SSD's and adapter cards. It'll still need some type of transition cabling. I already have a male x male SCSI to IDE adapter, so I'll try working with that one first.

Also have ACARD setup and removable drives, etc. to play with.

. . Falcon


Alrighty, I'll find an external 50 pin SCSI hard drive unit. Looks like there's plenty on eBay.

Would it be best to create another thread on this Falcon...let me know and I'll do that for us ? That way we don't disrupt the initial concept on this thread. You're the best !


FalconEddy
(Planeteer)
09/10/19 09:58 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

 Originally Posted By: B#
 Originally Posted By: FalconEddy
 Originally Posted By: B#

I appreciate that Falcon, I may order some parts and see if I can get them working also. As I mentioned, my main interest was finding a solution for an external SCSI to SSD, using the VS's external SCSI port. Appreciate it mate ! Mo


Yes, I knew that, but was waiting for this reply of yours before I went any further.

Now, what you'll need to do is acquire an older external 50 pin SCSI hard drive unit. There were tons of them made in the 80's. I have a couple of 100MB Microtech's that I pulled out the old SCSI drives and replaced them with 16GB SCSI drives.

I'm going to work on this project for you after I get my SSD's and adapter cards. It'll still need some type of transition cabling. I already have a male x male SCSI to IDE adapter, so I'll try working with that one first.

Also have ACARD setup and removable drives, etc. to play with.

. . Falcon


Alrighty, I'll find an external 50 pin SCSI hard drive unit. Looks like there's plenty on eBay.

Would it be best to create another thread on this Falcon ...let me know and I'll do that for us ? That way we don't disrupt the initial concept on this thread. You're the best !


Sure, why not.

. . Falcon


B#
(Planeteer)
09/12/19 09:46 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Falcon, new thread link:

http://www.vsplanet.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1629031#Post1629031


croaky
(Planeteer)
09/14/19 06:14 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I have the correct converter,JP-103-5, jumper set to master the Kingston (SV300S37A) 120GB SSDNow.

When I turn on the VS I only get SCSI...OK

Any ideas?

This is my second try at converting to SSD first one worked! All the same bits.


RickD
(Planeteer)
09/20/19 02:14 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

How did it go?
I too am interested in some solution, preferably external & SSD based, for 2 reasons :
- no more HD noise
- swap the SSD into a USB adapter connected to the PC for quick track import.

Not interested in mixing inside a PC, but there are phase-aligning plugins that i think can be great, so the idea is to export to PC, then reimport to VS.

Any suggestions on how to achieve this would be highly appreciated. :-)

Thanks


DCMProductions
(Space Cadet)
10/06/19 09:23 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I did as well, and it hasn't worked perfectly. I have two of those PATA to SATA converters just in case one was bad, and I can't get it to see the SSD anymore. It saw it originally, but then hung during the format. I have a new SSD and it doesn't see this one at all.

DCMProductions
(Space Cadet)
10/06/19 09:25 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

I get the same exact thing. I just ordered a different SSD and will see if that changes things for me. This really shouldn't be that difficult.

Kudos to everyone who has been successful!


FalconEddy
(Planeteer)
10/07/19 01:17 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

croaky, if you're using ALL THE SAME COMPONENTS, then YOU need to perform some troubleshooting to see what's different.

Is the JP-103-5 bridge adapter bad?

Is it getting power?

Did you remember to plug it in?

Are the Kingston V SSD pins ALL making contact with the bridge adapter?

It appears that the initialization screen stops right after getting OK for SCSI, and just sits there waiting for a response for IDE, and scanning the bus for alpha-numeric info on the third and final step, correct? (E.G. I....4..V)

Is your Internal SCSI SELF ID set to 7 ? Go to UTILITY > SYSTEM PARAMETER and click 'Param2' on the bottom left. The top two lines in the 'DRIVE' area will reveal if you have the IDE DRIVE parameter turned ON , and what the SCSI SELF ID is (# 7 is chosen at the factory).

 Originally Posted By: RickD
How did it go?
I too am interested in some solution, preferably external & SSD based, for 2 reasons :
- no more HD noise
- swap the SSD into a USB adapter connected to the PC for quick track import.

Not interested in mixing inside a PC, but there are phase-aligning plugins that i think can be great, so the idea is to export to PC, then reimport to VS.

Any suggestions on how to achieve this would be highly appreciated. :-)

Thanks


We'll attempt to give you what we can for what we're working on, but you need to realize that an SSD (within a USB enclosure) is not something that's being considered for testing.

That's a plug & play concept, and would require an ENTIRELY different type of engineering. Sorry, RickD.

 Originally Posted By: DCMProductions
I did as well, and it hasn't worked perfectly. I have two of those PATA to SATA converters just in case one was bad, and I can't get it to see the SSD anymore. It saw it originally, but then hung during the format. I have a new SSD and it doesn't see this one at all.


 Originally Posted By: DCMProductions
I get the same exact thing. I just ordered a different SSD and will see if that changes things for me. This really shouldn't be that difficult.

Kudos to everyone who has been successful!


DCMProductions, Welcome To The Planet!

One of the most critical key items when submitting information in a thread such as this one, is to give specific details to help the engineers such as myself and others, to perform a more proficient job in assisting end-users like you with problem resolution.

I've been here on the VS-Planet for 18 years, not signed-up as long as some of the original founding members back to 1999; but, there are several of us that are highly technical and know this machine with its hardware inner workings and Operating System very well. We've flushed out more bugs on this thing since its inception, than the Terminix® man. Version 2.504 and v2.505 are pretty stable, and a LONG WAY from v 1.009.

But, I digress...

When you state, "I did as well, and it hasn't worked perfectly. I have two of those PATA to SATA converters just in case one was bad, and I can't get it to see the SSD anymore. It saw it originally, but then hung during the format." ; you said those things without any details.

1) What did you do, as well?

2) Which model bridge adapter did you use?
I saw it, JP 103-5. But the jumper MUST be on MASTER

3) Which model SSD did you try?

4) What OS are you running? (need all four digits) (E.G 2.504, 2.505, 2.010)

5) When you were formatting and it 'hung', what type of formatting were you performing? Quick? or Full Physical Format? Did you turn on Surface Scan in error?

6) How long did you wait while it was 'hung' during formatting before you broke out of it?
I saw it, 9 hours.

7) "I get the exact same thing" . As whom? What is it?

8) What brand and specific model number SSD did you order?

9) YES, IT SHOULD BE THIS DIFFICULT.

You have to take into consideration you're still utilizing:

1) Obsolete technology which was considered disposable technology approximately 5-6 years after it was released. Seven at the outset.

2) A recording system that's 14-18 years of age (depending on your model) standard components such as resistors, capacitors, transformers, diodes, switches, sliders etc., have either begun to fail, or have possibly had a change of value; thus changing the voltages being presented at different operating points on the main board, as well as the other boards and switchable power supply.

This also includes key IC's that are responsible for AD conversion and back to DA conversion again.

3) Expecting to chart new territory by replacing known working IDE series hard drives with host bridge adapters and a Solid State Drive combination. All completely unsupported by the Roland Corporation. Obviously, so was the ACARD, hot-swappable drive storage system designed by Brett LaCroix, and VirDis wave file tranfers direct to the PC from Bill Casey. But, it took a lot of research, time, and investment funds to obtain those goals.

Now, you can't use newer model SSD's, they won’t work, in fact the newest SSD that works is the Samsung 860 PRO 2.5" SATA III 256GB Model MZ-76P256BIN with the JP 103-5 host bridge adapter (SATA to IDE (PATA) converter). However, the VS2480 series recorders will only recognize and format 128GB of any drive larger than that size. End-user were using 160GB drives in the CD and DVD versions of the 2480, and only 128GB formatted; eleven 11.5GB partitions and one 2GB partition. Yes, I know that’s 128.5GB total. \:p

Everyone please get back to me with your answers and I'll do my best to assist.

croaky, looks like the balls in your court on this one for checking what different. I'd even swap the other known working JP 103-5 adapter with the new SSD to see if THAT works. Those types of switch-out help to identify bad hardware, after the setup on the 2480 UTILITY section has been verified first.

. . Falcon


DCMProductions
(Space Cadet)
10/08/19 07:41 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Thanks. I did all of that troubleshooting. I found it was indeed getting power, I verified the jumper was in the right position, the SSD was fully seated.

I was using a Kingston 120GB SSD

My OS is 2.505

Everything is working with a different SSD. I used a Samsung EVO, 250GB

David


FalconEddy
(Planeteer)
10/09/19 12:21 AM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

 Originally Posted By: DCMProductions
Thanks. I did all of that troubleshooting. I found it was indeed getting power, I verified the jumper was in the right position, the SSD was fully seated.

I was using a Kingston 120GB SSD

My OS is 2.505

Everything is working with a different SSD. I used a Samsung EVO, 250GB

David


Outstanding David!

Yeah, the 860 EVO is an excellent choice. The 860 Pro may have worked also; but the EVO is a sure thing. I'm using all Samsung 128GB SSD's.

I was going to have you throw the Kingston on the other working JP 103-5 that's paired with the SSD that works. If it had any issues on THAT adapter, it would definitely point to the Kingston SSD as the problem.

People have started reporting them as able to be seen with the jumper on 'slave', and sometimes getting to the scanning stage, but I prefer the reliability over two continents of the paired JP 103-5's with the Samsung 860 EVO 256GB model MZ-76E250B/AM, or the Samsung 126GB model MZ-76PC1280/0H1.

Awesome job getting resolution on your own.

Oh, did the drive format really quickly? I've heard that 2480's v2.505's OS simply SCREAMS when formatting drives now. Minutes instead of hours.

. . Falcon


DCMProductions
(Space Cadet)
10/09/19 12:21 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

Super fast format, so fast I thought there was a problem, but then I looked and saw 12 11.5GB partitions.

Recovered some of my previous projects and it works perfectly!!

As for the jumper, yes, it must be Master or you run the risk of instability. I actually got it to see my Kingston SSD WITHOUT a jumper, which I knew was a recipe for disaster if it worked.

I did try the Kingston on the KNOWN good JP103-5, but to no avail. Something is just not compatible with that Kingston. Crazy, but happy with the EVO and how everything is working now.

Thank you!


RickD
(Planeteer)
11/14/19 07:14 PM
Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD

After trying a PNY 240GB and a Kingston 120GB in vain, i ordered a Samsung EVO 860 250GB SSD. It works great with my VS-2480CD.
Conversion done :
Silent fan
DVDR
SSD.
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