Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
05/22/19 02:43 PM
Black Label Remix/Remaster

Remember when I was talking last year about doing an HD remix/remaster of my 2012 collection? Yeah....it got done, and I forgot to, you know....share it with the world.

Enjoy:

https://jamielang.bandcamp.com

Now available in HD at 24/96khz.


Doug C
(Planeteer)
05/22/19 04:55 PM
Re: Black Label Remix/Remaster

Downloaded

Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
05/22/19 05:31 PM
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Thanks--let me know what you think. I was listening today as I uploaded--I really got it sonically. the state of "virtual analog" kit....and my ability to exploit it is really dialed in. For recording at home, I mean....

Doug C
(Planeteer)
05/22/19 05:33 PM
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Will do.

WRC,Jr.
(Planeteer)
05/22/19 05:44 PM
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Got it! I downloaded the AIFF version. Was that the right one?

Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
05/22/19 06:27 PM
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Is there a wrong one? ;\)

I only upload the lossless 24/96 (WAV) to Bandacamp. My understanding is that Bandcamp will let you select the format you want....from mp3 to "cd" to full 24/96 in AIFF, WAV, or FLAC. Do they have an option for ALAC, too? Anyway....those lossless formats should be the same content.


WRC,Jr.
(Planeteer)
05/22/19 06:45 PM
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So no loss in conversion from WAV to AIFF?

Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
05/22/19 06:51 PM
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No. WAV and AIFF are the same linear PCM....they just have different data headers. FLAC and ALAC are lossless compression, which can be turned back into WAV or AIFF completely lossslessly. All four should be interchangeable as long as they're 24/96.

airproofing
(Planeteer)
05/22/19 08:41 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Popmann
Is there a wrong one? ;\)

I only upload the lossless 24/96 (WAV) to Bandacamp. My understanding is that Bandcamp will let you select the format you want....from mp3 to "cd" to full 24/96 in AIFF, WAV, or FLAC.


They don't support mp3 on Bandcamp. At least when I uploaded there today it wasn't in the list.


Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
05/22/19 09:02 PM
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You mean to UPload as the artist....? I mean, they allow the consumer to chose their preferred format....they actually wouldn't be able to DO that, if they allowed artists to upload mp3. I've never tried, but that makes sense.

airproofing
(Planeteer)
05/22/19 09:43 PM
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I thought I had already bought this album, but I can't find it anywhere on my computers. So it turns out, it was good that I hadn't because now I got a "better" version, right?

Bruce


Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
05/22/19 10:17 PM
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Score one for procrastination!

C Jo Go
(Planeteer)
05/23/19 12:38 PM
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Always top class Jamie ~! Sounds like lots of work and love of music required ...

Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
05/24/19 11:30 AM
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Over the years, certainly there has been a lot of both!

Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
05/26/19 04:44 PM
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Just want to point out what makes this potentially more relevant here: this is mixed and mastered 100% in software. When you hear the old versions, they were mixed with what the kids refer to as "hybrid" of digital mixer with analog outboard....and digital outboard FX via the Lexicon and Kurzweil boxes....this is all software.

Ismellelephant
(Loquacious Planeteer)
05/29/19 11:30 AM
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Bump

 Originally Posted By: Popmann
Just want to point out what makes this potentially more relevant here: this is mixed and mastered 100% in software. When you hear the old versions, they were mixed with what the kids refer to as "hybrid" of digital mixer with analog outboard....and digital outboard FX via the Lexicon and Kurzweil boxes....this is all software.


In other words, no Leggo set up here.


Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
05/29/19 12:52 PM
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At least now, it's largely virtual Legos... ;\) plug ins inside Mixbus (and Studio ONE for mastering)Östill Benchamrk and Oppo DACs respectively, but...

motown59
(Planeteer)
05/29/19 03:50 PM
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I finally got to drop the needle on these tracks. A very impressive overall presentation. The sound and mixes are outstanding. Some tunes I don't remember hearing but some may not have been exposed to us...
Nice arranging of parts, good wide canvas you've painted.

I think it's fair to say that ITB or OTB is no longer any consideration or critique point with these songs. Recording quality, Check!

Great achievement.


Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
05/29/19 07:28 PM
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Thanks....they go WAY back, some of them. Maybe not all the tracks involved....but, i think I wrote Ricochet when I was 19 or something. The ďblack labelĒ project was my attempt to just make a collection of ďhere are my faves Ive written in the first half of lifeĒ in 2012. I was considering stopping....at least for a while, and wanted to have a single CD of cohesive recording quality to represent.

The remix/remaster, this past year was just started as a break from this new material project, and as fodder for my developing my ďHDíríIzerĒ....and thinking Id just make it available with the new one. My releasing it now is my kinda admission that I might be on the Chinese Democracy release track....ha....


Starliner
(Planeteer)
06/03/19 05:33 PM
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Really great work!

Very interesting. Enjoyed all aspects of the songs... an album to be proud of!

Starliner


Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
06/03/19 10:50 PM
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Thanks, man.

gonzo
(Loquacious Planeteer)
06/04/19 09:47 AM
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i'm digging 'cog in the machine'

i'm digging water on the stone.

i'm digging end of the day.

i guess i gravitate towards the bittersweet stuff today...
i get a feel of a blend of guys like Frey and Fogelburg,
if they lived in nashville!

super clean recordings, sound great even on streaming.

nice job on these Jamie. that's a solid project.


Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
06/04/19 10:53 AM
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Bittersweet....that's my wheelhouse....and my main house....and.... ;\)

Thank, man.


Arthur
(Planeteer)
06/04/19 12:26 PM
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As I told you more than ten years ago, Jamie, How far Iíve come is still my favorite song of yours! Even in this revamped version the song stays upright! Thatís all quality needs! A sure hit in Europe!

Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
06/04/19 06:24 PM
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That's actually one of the oldest recordings....One of the first few I did with PeteG on the DPS24...those are the actual drum tracks!

Arthur
(Planeteer)
06/04/19 06:35 PM
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Yep, like I said, quality always prevails!

C Jo Go
(Planeteer)
06/04/19 07:34 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Popmann
Just want to point out what makes this potentially more relevant here: this is mixed and mastered 100% in software. When you hear the old versions, they were mixed with what the kids refer to as "hybrid" of digital mixer with analog outboard....and digital outboard FX via the Lexicon and Kurzweil boxes....this is all software.


Not sure I will ever get there --- hybrid as of now.. Lexi/Kurz on board ..

Have yet to graduate ..


C Jo Go
(Planeteer)
06/04/19 07:51 PM
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END OF THE DAY -- sounds so expensive

How does one of those hybrid /oldsters \:\/ --- purchase one of those little disc == that you can get in the mail ??



Arthur
(Planeteer)
06/04/19 07:56 PM
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You know Joe, everyone has his favorite.... mine is How Far Iíve Come , to me itís up there with my number one songwriter Jackson Browne! And no, Iím not kidding!

C Jo Go
(Planeteer)
06/04/19 08:04 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Arthur
You know Joe, everyone has his favorite.... mine is How Far Iíve Come , to me itís up there with my number one songwriter Jackson Browne! And no, Iím not kidding!


They are all top notch -- even the rocky ones ( I lean towards the ballads) === GIRL I USE TO KNOW ::: just begs to climb the charts ..

 Quote:
this is mixed and mastered 100% in software. When you hear the old versions, they were mixed with what the kids refer to as "hybrid" of digital mixer with analog outboard....and digital outboard FX via the Lexicon and Kurzweil boxes....this is all software.


Would be so nice to have the two versions to A /B ...

I know I can never achieve this latest grandeur mix >> with out resorting to 100% software. Makes me feel I don't have to try any harder now -- at our peak == with the hybrid gear.


Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
06/05/19 08:16 AM
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Been available for download and stream since 2012.

Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
06/05/19 03:03 PM
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I did consider having both up for some time for people to geek on....but, man there's a LOT of down sides to that. Bandcamp not doing any kind of streaming level calibration....having to assign new album names....I just figured most people don't really care. They just want to here the best sounding version of whatever tune.

This started as a reMASTERING project--I was just going to take the 32/44.1 mix files mixed in Cubase in 2012 and remaster them. For about half the record, that would've been "fine". But, the other half....it wouldn't have sounded good. But, then as I remixed a few of those troublemakers in HD, it became obvious they now sounded better than the "good half"....so....it became an all of nothing thing. But, the end result is that, for example, Girl I used to Know has ALWAYS sounded wonderful. I wish I could tell you what was done differently. Stars aligned with Pete's recordings and my arrangement....there's not a HUGE difference in old and new for that one. But, then--you take an Ashes or With Each Passing Hour--and it's the opposite, you'd think I rerecorded tracks (I didn't)....because the new ones are SO much better sounding and FEELING than than the 2012.

But, largely, I'd ask Cjo to consider WHY he wants to compare them. Whatever he THINKS he's going to hear? And what that will mean to him". That's what he'll hear. Save me the trouble. ;\)


C Jo Go
(Planeteer)
06/05/19 05:57 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Popmann


But, largely, I'd ask Cjo to consider WHY he wants to compare them. Whatever he THINKS he's going to hear? And what that will mean to him". That's what he'll hear. Save me the trouble. ;\)


Certainly I could hear the difference ..?


This final mix of yours is perfection .. Would be a relief to know : it takes more than the performance of the song >> to make that final mix so stellar .

This could confirm to me > with our hybrid gear < my mixes can go no further. Save a lot of engineering grief ... ;\)

Like that friend ~~ who always seems beats you in his powerful 427 Vette -- and unless you move up to his level .. You will just have to remain happy with your seemingly idling horsepower \:o


Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
06/05/19 07:03 PM
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So, listen to Andy's work using nothing but the 2480/VSF2 for mix down. Kel's "all 57" recording. Jazzoo's Two Days in November....I feel bad, because I'm inevitably leaving out some fine recordings I've heard over the years made on the 2480.

You don't have a "hybrid" mixing set up. FWIW. That has a definition and it's not "different pieces hooked together"....it's a hybrid of a digital and analog mixing tools. Just saying--you have a 2480 with a few FX boxes hooked to it. Nothing at all wrong with that...it's just not a hybrid mixing system.

So, have you made the best recordings you can make on the 2480, I think is yours alone to answer.

I don't think my recording with real drums, tube amps, pianos (both acoustic and Digital) all picked by a better tone snob than player ;\) ....is a fair comparison for you to multitrack of 90s samples and eDrums and amp sims....do you?


C Jo Go
(Planeteer)
06/05/19 08:31 PM
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Yep: made the best I could -- taking in consideration with the players at the other end of the inputs AND the budget allowed / time invested ..

Guess I will never know what 96 sounds like -- 2480 sittin
at 48 ~~ for now ....


Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
06/06/19 01:43 PM
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The reason you are never going to (your words) "never achieve this latest grandeur mix"....is not the actual tools. The (better?) tools are in my studio because I seek them...try them....fail, fail, and fail again. Learning as I go.

C Jo Go
(Planeteer)
06/06/19 01:52 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Popmann
The reason you are never going to (your words) "never achieve this latest grandeur mix"....is not the actual tools. The (better?) tools are in my studio because I seek them...try them....fail, fail, and fail again. Learning as I go.


Thanks POP -- Think I will always seek them / learn each year - a bit more. Not an over-achiever Failure is not a bad word ~ with me. ;\) You don't have to work so hard....( after that second fail on your list ) to stay at that comfortable level .. . Budgets seem to be the "failure" of most.


grachus
(Planeteer)
06/06/19 06:11 PM
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wow great sounds here..okay great playing I love the set up of the instruments in the mix very clean..I like all the layers of the leads left and right so tastee.is that you playing all the guitars and the keyboard b3 sounds sick. nice slide player...lovely song end of the day..wow great sounds here ....

Popmann
(Loquacious Planeteer)
06/06/19 07:20 PM
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Yes, other than the pedal steel (End of the Day and Girl I used to Know), all the guitars/bass/keys are me. MIA VSP'r Ebeau played the pedal steel. This project had some collaborators who really took things to another level.

PeteG played the drums throughout....John Painter did the horn 'section" on Should the Harvest Never Come and the trumpet outro on Ashes....John Heinrich played the wonderful sax solo on Commencement....Julie McDonald sang some harmony vocals....eBeau did the pedal steel....man if I left someone off, I'm going from memory--and this project was a long time ago! Apologies....


gonzo
(Loquacious Planeteer)
06/07/19 09:59 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Popmann
So, listen to Andy's work using nothing but the 2480/VSF2 for mix down. Kel's "all 57" recording. Jazzoo's Two Days in November....I feel bad, because I'm inevitably leaving out some fine recordings I've heard over the years made on the 2480.


my original "Melange de la Chauve Souris (bats brew)" tune,
that was done with only a 57, and a VS-880EX.

that was the tune that brought me to the vs planet back in 1999.