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12/06/04 10:11 PM

a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Hello all,
Well I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving. We had my wife's relatives, some from michigan, some from Georgia.
The point is, my Sister in law is a very good Singer/Acoustic Guitarist. She hasn't played in years, but while she was here, I recorded her playing one of her songs, she called me last night and said she has sent it off for copyright, and I told her that I could possibly send it to some of my friends to get other parts laid down, or to possible build entire new songs around her vocal part. I had thought i could make a MP3 with her Vocal panned all the way to the right, and the Crappy drum beat, Bass, and her acoustic part to the left. She didn't leave any spot in the middle for a Lead solo, but alot of room at the end, I KNOW Jim Y can cut some Bars out and paste them in the Middle for Solo... ha ha..
Anyway, let me know if you are interested, and I'll make a couple different mixdowns of the tune, and if my friend John444 will allow it, I'll upload it to his site.
Let me know if interested, might be fun,
Jack

John444

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12/06/04 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by Bassmusician:
... and if my friend John444 will allow it, I'll upload it to his site....

Go for it.

Jack

Bassmusician

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12/07/04 03:48 AM

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Thanks Jack,
I went there, and tried to make a new directory for her song, I was hoping to upload a version with the vocals panned hard right so the participants could write an entire new music thing around the vocals, which by the way I believe were written at 120 BPM on the drum track, and a "Mixed down" version of what we had.
Tami was so excited about doing it, she had written this song like 20 some odd years ago, and she even cut off her long fingernails to play acoustic on it..lol... but she thought we could do it like in 15 minutes, she doesnt understand the recording process, well we did the best we could in about 45 minutes or so, and I thought her vocals came out really good. I also have a couple rounds of her singing backup, which I thought was good, but she didnt like the backing vocals so i left them off. Anyway, I made a folder, now it wont let me in the folder, and it wont let me delete the folder, so I'm just trying to upload them to the main site. I am heading upstairs as this will probally take an hour, hope it works. Thanks for the kind offer of letting me do this, it will mean alot to Tami.
Jack

PS. To anyone who may want to experiment with it, she had wanted it to be a "Rockin" number, she loves "Heart" but with the silly drum beat she picked out, it sorta ended up "Countrylike" if theres anything you guys can do to rock it up a tad, she'd dig that.... (grins at Den and JimY....LOL)

John444

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12/07/04 04:37 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Try the new directory TamiSong Jack, or just upload it to Bassmusician directory.

I'll clean up after ya, bud. $;\)$

Jack

Bassmusician

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12/07/04 06:02 AM

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It uploaded to "Tamisong" Jack Thanks, if ya get time listen to her voice, I remember 22 or 23 years ago when I met Marie, Tami sang with me in a Band called "Kactus Jack and the Cosmic Cowboys".. lol we did everything from "Smoke on the Water", and "Living after Midnight" to "Hank Williams" and "Willie nelson", I remember Tami singing stuff like "Lights" by Journey, and some song, we couldnt remember the artists name, but she sang "God Bless the Boys, who make the Noise on 16th Avenue"...LOL
It was long ago and far away, and so much better than yesterday....LOL
Thanks Jack,
Jack

drhek2004

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12/07/04 07:05 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Jack,

She does have a very nice voice.

I blasted out an idea that came to me. Keep in mind, I did this in one take so you can get an idea. Im using drop D tuning. It came off sounding more like Ratt than Heart $\:D$

bert

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12/07/04 02:40 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Woooowww,

That a great job all around Jack. She's has got an awesome voice. I defintitely hear Heart influences there. I like the whole vibe of the song. Your accoustic guitar sounds excellent and love the bass line. Perfect for the song. My want to bring it up in the mix or make it more dominant or more up front sounding. But then again, I'm listening on laptop speakers:) I can't wait to get my studio room in action. This song is gonna be alot of fun to play with.

Tell your sister in law, she has a beatiful voice. Very pro like.

bert

bert

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12/07/04 02:45 PM

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Just now listening Den. Can you add some drums to this. I like this direction too. When first listening, I wasn't sure of the vocal syncipation with the rythym track. But after listen again. I liked it alot. Was trying trying to hear a drum beat with it to tie it altogether. I'm a big fan of your playing. $\:\)$

bert

jim y

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12/07/04 06:35 PM

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I'm in a similar position to Bert at the mo', house in remodelling hell. Less excuse maybe because I have more or less got a studio, but where is the time?

I'm even more behind on listening to all the songs being posted in the collab/challenge stuff.

Have to wait for the new year, but I'll try to look into it and tag it on my backlog
$\:o$

drhek2004

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12/07/04 07:40 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Thanks bert. I did that take on the fly. For a final take, Id want to add at least one rhythm change to it.

This method of recording around a part of a tune (other than the drums)is new to me. Ive never added drums after recording a guitar or vocal track before. When I get a bit more free time, Ill give it a try.

bert

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12/07/04 08:24 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Hey Den, I believe Jack said it was 120 bpm. If you have a wave editor, you can record a drum machine at 120 bpm as close to sync as possible manually in the wave editor. And then try to slide the wave file in sync, I think. If the it's 120 bpm, it should line up somewhat easily.

Easier said than done. I'll give it a try next week, when I'm set up with my new studio room:).

bert

spillgutMJ

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12/07/04 10:34 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Ive got a version of this song up, Im really diggin that vibe Jack, You guys did well. Tami is the name? Hot, hot, vocal. A real treat to work with that!!!!

God Bless, Mark

Bassmusician

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12/07/04 10:44 PM

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Wow cool, glad you guys enjoyed it!! Thanks for the kind words Bert and Den. Jim, take your time Bro, but I know with your "cutting and pasting" techniques, you'll be able to add a lead solo area...lol...I got Dens and Marks versions downloading right now, I don't know if they will be done before the band gets here to reherse or not, if so I'll let ya know what I think.
Ya I believe it was at 120BPM on the drums, I was gonna have my son do something with um too, he can play my Boss DR5 like an instrument, he plays the pads like they are drums, in time..lol.. I'm sure Tami is gonna love this, Thanks guys!
Jack

drhek2004

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12/07/04 10:48 PM

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Thanks for the tip bert. Ill dabble with it tonight.

Mark, I like your idea better than mine. It goes w/ the vocal melody better. Mine changes the whole mood of the song.

I did notice her voice modulates towards the end of the tune. Maybe adding harmony vocals will fix it up... or maybe even a chord change.

Bassmusician

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12/07/04 11:01 PM

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Den,
I got your version d/l'd man it kicks ass!!! I wish I didnt have to reherse, I'd like to slap some Bass to that and try to sync up some drums to it!! Right on man!! Right on, I'm sure she'll really dig that! I got Marks about 39% d/l'd hopefully it will finish before the band gets here.

drhek2004

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12/07/04 11:06 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Thanks, bro. Im glad you like it $\:\)$ I think she'll probably like Mark's idea better. It's closer to the rhythm she had on it.

spillgutMJ

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12/08/04 01:41 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

I thought it needed to be a little more "swinging", So I put the whole new drum thing on it. Its kinda rough soundin but I really like the whole vibe of it.
drhek...I too wanted to use a drop D tuning but its a pain in the a$$ to reset-up the floating bridge. Yours is a great idea as well!!

Blessings, Mark

spillgutMJ

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12/08/04 01:58 AM

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DOH!!!! Now that I listen to my take again, everything seems to be panned right down the middle...oops. Ill get a better take up soon. sorry for the ear-sore!!!! LOL

drhek2004

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12/08/04 07:53 AM

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Thanks for the compliment Mark. I only have 1 guitar w/ a trem and it has a Kahler Pro. It's a shame they dont make them any more. You could drop D w/out effecting the overall tune of the guitar. Back in the '80s and early '90s I used it quite often.

Before I forget, I moved your mp3 into the tami folder. I hope you dont mind.

Bert, I took your advice and it worked pretty good. It slips here and there, but under the circumstances, Im pleased. Thanks again. I uploaded a version w/ drums and bass. If you'd like to put bass on it, let me know. I saved a drum track w/out the bass just in case you were interested. I havent put a guitar solo on it. I may put one towards the end in the background.

Den

bert

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12/08/04 02:45 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Hey Den,

I like the way you slipped those drums in thier:). Good job. I noticed the different drum patterns in thier. And the busier one seem to be throwing me off a little bit. The second pattern, I think that's the one, synced better. It's cool how you, Mark and Jack have different idea to the same song. All excellent!!! I was playing around with some rythym while listening late last night. And it sounded more popish. Figures.

Den, I have to pass this time around. I'm still involved with house remodeling and studio isn't quite set up yet. Getting closer though. Maybe in another week

bert

billbuxton

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12/08/04 06:31 PM

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I put the vocal against a simple 120bpm beat and it fits nicely with hihats in triplets. The vocal starts on the 4th beat of the bar to my ear. Britrock version underway, but I need to practise the guitar part. I went for drop D too - irresistable. I've been thinking about the arrangement all day at work - like Mark says it's a great vocal and a pleasure to work with. In a nice key too.

bert

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12/08/04 07:28 PM

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I've been thinking about the arrangement all day at work

Same here. This is truly a very very catchy song. Excellent performance. I wish I could record.

I have so many idea running through my head. The harmonies at "Another DAy" with 2or 3 part repeating after each "Another Day". Also little melodic riffs accenting the chord structure. A little honky tonk rythym section. This song is one that could easily have been top 10 back when rock was rock. Maybe even today. What a voice your sister in law has. Woowwww.

And the song sounds great without adding a thing to it, Jack. But being the production type I am, I always want to bring it to a hieghtened peak, with little add ins. :p

Hey Jack I noticed you change st 2:30 and then back again. And your rythym seemed to want a pick up accent a little. Gave me a thought for a honky tonk rythym part.

Well, not til next week maybe. FUN SONG. Let her know how much we like it. And tell her thanks for making my day

drhek2004

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12/08/04 08:02 PM

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No problem bert.

Yeah, I made the drums a bit busy during the verses in attempts to tie the guitar and the vocals together. A straight beat seemed to separate the two to me.

I personally like Mark's take on it better than mine. It reminds me of the Eagles. I originally was going to do something like that. But, Jack was wanting to Rock it up, so in come my '80s influences $\:D$

I was intending on redoing my guitar with an added rhythm change and to compensate for the beat change at 2:30, but I was anxious to get the drums and bass on there. Maybe during the holiday, Ill redo it.

Den

billbuxton

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12/08/04 10:55 PM

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You know, she sings so well it stands up on its own. I was thinking of having the first half of the last verse unaccompanied except for drums on the beat - kick kick snare rest - like Queen's We will love you ( no I'm not really a Queen fan, but great production). I think the repetetive chord structure lends itself to arrangement and production. I wonder what sort of melodic riffs you have in mind Bert? And what do you mean by honkytonk - like a piano based rhythm section?

John444

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12/08/04 11:56 PM

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Maybe Cornjerker will work up a 'jug band and jews harp' accompaniment! $;\)$ $\:D$

drhek2004

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12/09/04 04:55 AM

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OK Jack. I had my suspicions about cornjerker being your alter-ego. Am I correct in assuming so? $\:D$

bert

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12/09/04 05:04 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Guy,

I like that kick, kick, snare!!! I hear it. Maybe even as the opening. May work. Keep ya beggin for it when it comes in again.

I worked out 3 different riffs to follow the 1,3,5 of the chord changes with a few passing tones too, to keep it flowing. Most start on the 3rd of each chord as each chord changes. One with a wah,wah effect. But done tastefully, as not to take away from the vocals. Dyer(?) Straights did this alot. My spelling sucks $\:D$

And the honky tonk I'm refering to, is a bit like BTO's rythym style. You know, when they played the same 12 bar blues songs, but with different variations to make em different. I been playing with it tonight. If I can get this room together, I might take some time away from my home project and hook up the necessities to record. I'll try to post something with Jacks original to give an idea. And I asked my wife to do some harmonies I've been hearing in my head after we get settled hear at home. She's all for it. She's got a natural voice. She sings on "Looking For Love" at my soundclick site. But that won't be until after the holiday I think.

I think you mentioned something about me playing violin. The violin sounds I was refering to is also at the beginning of Looking For Love. It's done with the volume knobs and one of my pedals has an effect that does a close duplication of the volume knob trick.

I try to put something together. It'll only be for the idea. Once I'm all set up, I'll try and make sense of all my thoughts. I've never really got the quality down right on any of my mixes. Most songs are half done or never quite finalized. Such is life.

bert

bert

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12/09/04 05:08 AM

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I think that's his cousin $\:D$ :p $;\)$ Den

bert

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12/09/04 05:09 AM

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Hey Corny!!! Ya out thar?

Cornjerker

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12/09/04 05:12 AM

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Originally posted by drhek2004:
OK Jack. I had my suspicions about cornjerker being your alter-ego ... $\:D$

Er, mabbe it's the other way around. :p $;\)$ $\:D$

Cornjerker

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12/09/04 05:14 AM

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Didja guys see I made it to "Plantineers" status? $;\)$

drhek2004

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12/09/04 05:14 AM

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Oh man, I am all confused now. bert=corny or Jack=corny?

Cornjerker

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12/09/04 05:18 AM

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Bert's more of a prune danish. $;\)$

bert

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12/09/04 05:26 AM

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who me? :p

Just checking out VSPR. I was trying to hear the Wanker tune the guys did over Wawazzat forum. You guys follow that thread at all? Some pretty awe some guitar playing on that. I want to download that bad boy. It's amazing, the talent they have on that song.

bert

drhek2004

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12/09/04 05:29 AM

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LOL Cornjerker.

Sounds very interesting. Ill have to go check that out, bert.

spillgutMJ

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12/09/04 10:41 AM

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I reposted a little better mix of "Another Day" in the Tamisong folder, stereo this time LOL. For some unknown reason I had a 2 min silence at the end of my original take, Im sorry about that.
The new take is less muddy sounding now.
Now that Ive been listening to this more and I certainly dont mean this as an insult, I hear Shania Twain but with more "balls" for lack of a better term. Although Im a "heavy" player by nature, I really like some of todays poppier female vocalists ie: Shania, Christina Aguilera, Alicia Keys & the like. I must draw the line at Brittany Spears however. LOL
Take care!!

Mark

billbuxton

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12/09/04 05:24 PM

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Just lined up all your different versions in my mp3 player. I like them all a lot - all so different too. I just noticed that Jack's original bass line sounds quite similar to Old Brown Shoe by the Beatles. Interesting how one melody can be interpreted so differently, even without changing the tempo. I once read an article on harmony which had about half a dozen different examples of ways that JS Bach had harmonised the same tune. But then he was a genius.

John444

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12/09/04 10:08 PM

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Just put up a contribution.

http://helserj.temp.powweb.com/vs840/songs/TamiSong/tami_john444.mp3

Another Day

The hardest part, was lining up the drums. I just used a rhythm from my Yamaha DD-55 - but turns out it's version of 120bpm, is about 3fps per minute slower than Jack's 120bpm on whatever beat box he's using. Thought I had it lined up in Audition by using time stretch - at 99.83361% - then thought I'd copy and past another couple bars of the drums at the end, and the darn thing recalculated the 'stretch' and screwed up everything ... anyhow, got it restored, but not with out some cussing. $;\)$

Anyhow - for Bert who is also using audition - how I lined it up, is, got the first beat lined up using Jack's MP3 left track as the 'sync' for beat 1. Then magnified the crap out of the screen, and scrolled right to about the 1 minute mark. At that point, the drums I recorded were off (late) by 3fps. In a 30fps environment, with 60 seconds per minute, there's 1800 frames per minute. The drum part I recorded had the beat at 1803 frames at the minute mark ... so I divided 1800/1803 and came up with 99.83361%, which when punched into the 'time stretch' property for the drum track, lined it up close enough for a 'hack job' like this. $;\)$

Everything is one take, no mistakes fixed. If you add enough reverb, eq, add enough echo, and compress the mix, it's all 'enharmonic' ... had fun.

Thanks big Jack!

Affectionately yours, $\:D$

'Mr. Math' $;\)$

drhek2004

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12/09/04 10:11 PM

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Glad you like my take on it, Guy.

This online colab is cool. But, I find it awkward working a rhythm around an already recorded melody. Im guessing it's because of my inexperience. It's just a shame all of us don't live in the same town. I bet we would all come up with some really cool music together... oh well

drhek2004

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12/09/04 10:16 PM

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Oh man, Jack. That is a very sweet arrangement. I love the muted guitar sequence you have in the background.

billbuxton

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12/09/04 11:23 PM

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Well I'm buggered now - if 444 has done a version it's probably the ultimate, unless Cornjerker gets in there with his jug band. Den, I think your rhythm worked fine - on first listen it sounded a bit extreme, but second and third time around I started to really dig it. After you added bass and drums it really rocked. That's what's so great though - seeing how different peoples minds interpret it. And it's so nice to have a vocal to work with - I always dread doing vocals because I haven't got a very strong voice, but in my head I always hear songs with like Paul Rodgers singing them. I've been messing around tonight with a piano only accompaniment with an Old Brown Shoe type bass line. It's a bit crap because I play keys even worse than everything else, but I might put it up tomorrow once I've listened to it in the cold light of day, if only because it's a bit different. It wasn't actually what I was working on, I just got the idea from JackP's bass line.

Just got 444's downloaded - nice syncing! Those drums swing. They sound a lot like Mark's - have you got the same drum machine or what? Nice bass too. Do you fancy putting them up as separate mp3s so I can pinch them for my Britrock anthem? Cheeky, I know! Guy

John444

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12/10/04 12:47 AM

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Well I'm buggered now - if 444 has done a version it's probably the ultimate, unless Cornjerker gets in there with his jug band.

Cornjerker wanted to 'sit in' on the session, but when he showed up with that washtub and scrub board, I closed the door on him and turned off the doorbell. $;\)$ But not before I grabbed his jug of corn whiskey. :p That'll teach him to underestimate us city boys. $\:D$

...

I put up a new mix - with a little better eq on Tami's voice, and on the instruments. Different fade, and brought out that muted guitar part more ... might be too much tho'.

Guy, I can put up the bass, and the drum part, but you'll have to sync it up ... when you burn separate tracks like that in Audition, it doesn't start from 00:00, but from it's 'offset' from 00:00 position (?). The drums had to be slid out to 00:02 or somthing to make them work, with everything else.

If you need them, I'll write them to separate files and upload.

Lemme know. Here's the new mix LINK .

http://helserj.temp.powweb.com/vs840/songs/TamiSong/tami_john444_newmix.mp3

spillgutMJ

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12/10/04 12:48 AM

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I have the Boss dr5. No matter how I tried I couldnt make the "straight" drum track work, to me it seemed to fight with the "swinging" or "shuffle" vocal & guitar/bass. I wouldnt mind if someone put a bass track on mine as I didnt want to tackle that with the preprogrammed bass sounds in the dr5.

Bassmusician

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12/10/04 03:01 AM

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Hi Everyone,
I just wanted to let everyone know, that Tami downloaded some of the songs, and is VERY excited about what you guys have done!! She says to tell you she's a much better singer than that, but shes being modest, i think shes great on it!!
Sorry I havent been able to download all of them yet, it's been VERY hectic around here, i think I'm getting sick again, I'm not running the fever yet, but the symptoms like I had before, are coming back, I wonder if it could be something in this studio? The older part of the house's basement leaks, but it runs right to a floor drain and goes away, and it only leaks when we get those torential downpours like a couple days ago..lol
Another reason i cant get online, my daughter bought herself a new laptop for doing her college work on, and shes been "hogging" the net... ha ha
Hopefully I'll get more "net time" soon and start feeling better, and get more stuff posted.
Oh by the way Den, my Drummer really digs your style, (He's a Metalhead...ha ha), and I was playing your version with the rhythm in one side, and tami singing on the other, and he jumped on my old Ludwigs, and made up a WAY cool real drum part for it!! So maybe I'll do something like that, have Mike add some real drums to the thing.
I really want to hear Jack, and Marks newest Version, and I believe Bert posted one as well?? But this dang dialup takes forever to download, and as stated, my net time is very limited these days.
Thanks again fellows, i'm trying to get Tami to become a member here, i mean after all, her recordings were both done on a 840... ha ha..
Also I'll try to answer all the replies tomorrow. Heck we have a gig tomorrow night, hope I don't end up back in the hospital, I thought I had this doggone thing licked!!!
Jack

Bassmusician

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12/10/04 04:11 AM

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Wow I didnt get kicked off the net, and i got Jacks versions both downloaded, and Marks new mix downloaded as well.
As for Marks, I like um both, but I think this one is clearer and of coarse i'm a "stereo" freak, always love stereo effects, so awesome job Mark.
Jack, cute thing there with the "tagging"..LOL, good thing i changed it or there could be HELL to pay!!..LOL.. My wife AND her sister on my ass!! ha ha... anyway, i like both versions, I think i like the first one the best, allthough i love effects on the vocals, on this i think it's just a tad heavy on the vocal, the reverb that is. The BASS is awesome!!! I also love the cool ending. Also, are you using the Yamaha D-55? If so, awesome job!! man those things are awesome!! So i like both versions John444ster, but i think i prefer the 1st mix, but as i once told someone, a song can be mixed a zillion different ways, and who's to say which is best? While typing this, I listened to version 2 again and maybe I like it better, damn hard to tell, just wish the reverb on the vocals was down a small tad. Really loved the entire rest of it though!!

Bert mentioned something about the timing changing here and there, see Tami picked out that Drum part on my Boss DR5, and I was hitting the fill to varation here and there, and sometimes when I do it on the boss, it skips a beat, it must of did that.

Oh ya, on the origional recording, that wasn't me playing acoustic Guitar, it was Tami, see she plays, but she hadnt played in Years, and she had real long fingernails, and cut them all off to play my acoustic on her tune, she said it really made her fingers sore, but I was amazed at how well she played, since she hasnt played in almost 10 to 15 years or so. I hate to admit it, but I was playing Bass on the origional, she had wanted it before they had to go back to GA and i just whipped a "Ultra Fast" Bassline to it, maybe I'll get to play with it more when things settle down just a tad here.
Hope all are well,
Jack

John444

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12/10/04 04:28 AM

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Guy,

The files bass4guy.mp3 and drums4guy.mp3 are online for you. And I didn't have to worry about the offset - should line up at 00:00 for you in your song editor, I hope.

Jack, will mess with the reverb on the vocal - bring it down a bounce or 2. $;\)$

Jack

John444

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12/10/04 04:55 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Less 'verb:

http://helserj.temp.powweb.com/vs840/songs/TamiSong/tami_john444_lessverb.mp3

LINKIE WINKIE $;\)$ $;\)$

More ID tag fun!

Jack

drhek2004

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12/10/04 06:03 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Guy,
Im anxious to hear your take on it. I'm sure I'll be as blown away by it as I was by "Jimmy", which I am listening to for the 100+ time right now. On that tune in particular, your vocals sound more like Roger Waters than Paul Rogers to me. Ive always been a huge fan of Floyd's tunes. The ballads always have that traditional english folk song mood about them.

Jack,
That's cool that your drummer digs it. Believe it or not, in the '80s I co-wrote many of my tunes w/ a drummer. On days we didnt have band practice, I'd go to the drummers house and plug in and pop a 90 minute tape in the cassette deck and start recording some improv we would come up with.

I do have a version up w/ drums and bass. I hope you like it.

You definitely need to pace yourself for a while, bro. Also, you really need to get a dehumidifier for your basement. Bacteria thrive in a moist environment.

Den

drhek2004

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12/10/04 08:26 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

I uploaded a version with me improving a solo at the end. I intended on mixing it more in the backwith heavy reverb, but because the sync being off and all, it ended up jumbling everything up. So I just normalized it and left it as is.

TameraHernandez-AnotherDay-drhek2004.mp3

billbuxton

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12/10/04 01:33 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Well I'm just uploading a version - pretty silly too. Not what I was working on. I was just messing about and came up with this durn boogie.

444, Jack - thanks for the bass and drums, very kind of you, I'll download them after the upload is complete. I can't keep up with all these new versions of everyone's tunes. I'll have to get broadband. I've got Mark's, Den's and yours to download plus the bass and the drums. It's a mad world on the planet.

Big JackP - take Den's advice. Moist is bad for bad chests. Before I bought my own place I live in damp rented places for years and I was always sick.

Uploading on dialup takes for ever. I was going to put the link in, but if you look in the Tamisong folder its called Tami_OldBillBuxton'sBoogie. It's pretty rough to start with, and rougher because it was mixed on headphones - my wife is working nights so I'm having to creep round the house.

Ah, there it is:

https://webftp.powweb.com/download.cgi?filename=Tami_OleBillBuxton\'sBoogie.mp3

John444

(Planeteer)

12/10/04 03:25 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Use this LINK for 'Olde Bill Buxton's Boogie' $;\)$

http://helserj.temp.powweb.com/vs840/songs/TamiSong/Tami_OleBillBuxtonsBoogie.mp3

....

HOW STRANGE ... for future reference folks, apparently my FTP site / and the URL links used by the UBB software here, don't like apostrophes. May as well not use spaces either in file names or directory names. If you wanna space a word out, use a hyphen - or underscore _ between words. Maybe it'll work better. $;\)$ Jack

jim y

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12/10/04 06:44 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Damn! My next songs was going to be called '.
Can I call it " instead?

Hang on, hasn't Zappa done one called '?

Guy said...
" I can't keep up with all these new versions of everyone's tunes. I'll have to get broadband. ".

I've completely lost the plot on all these things. I need an index!

Isn't Sheffield DSL fitted yet?
Out here in LLansansiliogogowhileyoucangoch country, we have to wait till July '05 apparently. I will definately be getting it.

John444

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12/10/04 07:53 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Quote:

Originally posted by jim y:
I've completely lost the plot on all these things. I need an index!

Yeah ... I wish there was some way of enabing a 'comments' field, where you guys could enter a brief description of your song(s) - something that would make an HTML file for each directory, on the fly. But no - it's just a plain old *nix directory as far as I know.

I downloaded the entire /songs/ directory this morning, and loaded it up in WinAmp. There's nearly 3 hours of music on there now! Several versions of the same songs - so - I imagine the day is coming we'll have to talk a little about managing the songs/space, public and private space.

But for now, eggnog. $;\)$

drhek2004

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12/10/04 10:50 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Guy, That is a cool take on it. I really dig it $\:D$

After listening to yours and Jack's (john444) take on it, I shouldve done like you guys and waited until I had the drum track down before starting the guitar. Im guessing Mark did the same thing I did and used the previous rhythm track as a click for the guitar. I shouldve listened to it closer the first time. I probably wouldve noticed the skipped beat in there.

Jack, I was waiting for you to comment on the gobbled space $\:D$ When I get home tonight, Ill download my folder and delete a couple of the takes out of it.

Den

John444

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12/10/04 11:09 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Quote:

Originally posted by drhek2004:
Jack, I was waiting for you to comment on the gobbled space $\:D$ When I get home tonight, Ill download my folder and delete a couple of the takes out of it.

I got lots of space left Den. I can't remember if I get 2 or 5 gigs with the site. We're using only about 20% now. So no worries.

Don't bother with the downloading unless you want to Den. I've got cable, and download pretty darn fast. I grabbed all 155Mb's in about 10 minutes today and will keep an archive of everything - and can put things back up pretty quick if anyone wants / needs.

I'm gonna talk to Powweb and see what can be done about index pages for yer folders though - if there's some interface you can use to make your own page with song lists / comments? Would be nice to have a clear difference between the directories and songs, and include the file sizes, descriptions, etc.

I'm actually glad to be getting some use out of all that free space. My 2 web sites only take up about 50Mb total. :^/

L8r G8r! $;\)$ $\:D$

billbuxton

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12/10/04 11:22 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Starting a bit early on the eggnog aren't we Jack? Seriously tho', it is getting a bit confusing there. Several times I've downloaded a track I already have! Also I had a problem downloading this afternoon, don't know if it was my server or your site. The drums and bass downloaded fine (but I can't sync them to my track! What irony), Marks track downloaded ok (nice addition to the original by the way). When I downloaded yours I was just getting into it at 2.07 when it abruptly stopped. Same thing happened a while ago when I downloaded one of the Life songs. I wonder why that is. And Den's track downloaded as 0 bytes (sorry Den - thanks for the kind remarks btw). Maybe I should just get broadband (yes heathen Welshie, we can get it here - I'm just mean, plus I do have some reservations about being constantly online). But it's very kind of you to provide that space Jack, it's given me hours of pleasure - over 3 apparently. And the challenges get you concentrating when you have something to work towards. I've got hours of aimless unfinished doodlings, made when I wanted to record but didn't have much inspiration. Now I've got a queue of songs I want to write. Funny thing human nature.

drhek2004

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12/10/04 11:27 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

No problemo, Jack.

I have all the final takes downloaded. I just wanted to get all the work-in-progress ones. Perhaps, down the line when I get ample free time, it'll give me something to play around with.

That reference page is a great idea. I'll work on mine tonight.

Den

billbuxton

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12/10/04 11:29 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

While I was writing that there were 2 entries. Den - I got round that funny beat early on by chopping up the verses and leaving 4 bars between each. It's true though how listening counts. I started on my serious version tonight, and once I listened to the vocal really closely I realised some glaring mistakes I made with the boogie. Still, it was only a bit of fun.

Bassmusician

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12/11/04 12:21 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

I just wanted to appoligize, I was unable to download the newer ones today. I had to take my wifes car to the shop, and it still isnt fixed, has less than 100 miles left on the warrenty, and one of the things it does, is intermedient, so naturally, it wouldnt do it for them...lol
I gots to run, got that gig tonight, I didn't go to the studio at all today, and I'm feeling some better, I'm really thinking there is mold down there!
Tami called today, she loves what you guys did, she keeps telling me to tell you guys she can sing with more "Balls"... lol, myself, I think she did just fine.
I gotta hear Guys version, I'll be downloading the others tomorrow, if I live through tonight..lol...by the way, RIP Dimebag Darrell, there was a couple Pantera tunes I dug, never a big fan, but was terrible what happened with that guy shooting him and some others at that concert.
Jack

spillgutMJ

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12/11/04 01:50 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Actually Den, I composed my drums right off the bat & played to those. It was hard to get. I basically copied as close as I could get to Jacks original drum track then applied the "swing" function in my boss dr5. To sync my drums to the vocal, I just waited till the most precise moment I could & manually hit play on the drum machine. It took a few false starts but I think I landed as close two "1" as I could. You could almost do the same thing with your drums, keep everthing the same but put a little more "swing" into it. I do dig what youve done with it tho, dont get me wrong. I still wanna do a "heavier" thing with it but I think It would end up sounding exactly like yours!! LOL $\:\)$

spillgutMJ

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12/11/04 02:15 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

WOW Guy, that take of yours is cool. Wouldve never occurred to me to approach it that way, good job!!

444, Very cool, very smooth. I wish I could be as well rounded as you guys. Playing & production is always top notch.
I can play a little I guess but my mixes always pale compared to most everyone elses!! LOL $\:\)$ Ill keep learning hopefully!!

John444

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12/11/04 02:51 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Quote:

I can play a little ...

Understatement of the YEAR!

$;\)$

spillgutMJ

(Planeteer)

12/11/04 04:20 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Maybe 444... I dunno. $;\)$

drhek2004

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12/11/04 05:55 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Guy,
Your take synced up nicely throughout. I especially like the reverb you used. I can visualize the performance being done in an old depression era club here in the states. Quite surpising considering you're from the UK $\:D$

Jack,
Thank your sister-in-law for us. I thought she did a great job on it. Especially since it was her 1st time. One of these days Ill send you one of my 1st 4 track recordings. The singer I had performing on it was a good singer live, but he was a total mess on the recording $\:D$ He kept jumping in and out of falcetto; As well as, out of time. As you know, recording and playing live are totally different.

Mark, Thanks for the shuffle tip. There's a feature on Fruity loops for that very purpose. The skipped beat I was refering to was the one at around 2:30 where JackP hit the fill button. When I recorded my rhythm guitar track, I had the vocal volume down and didnt realize that I fell out of sync w/it until after I had recorded it. Stupid me. Im glad you liked my take. I had fun recording it. It's funny how a simple heavy rhythm can come off sounding pretty good $\:D$

bert

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12/11/04 08:05 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Man did I miss alot. Been very busy hear. The holidays are just about here and the house is a total disaster. I think Mrs. bert is getting sick from it.

I tried to do a little take on my idea the other night using Adobe audition, but my computer wouldn't cooperate. I kept freezing everytime I record a track and then I couldn't save anything. Frustrating night til 2:00 am.

I got the 840 unpacked and did some tracks on Jacks, to give an idea of the melody line. And being he did such a fantastic job on his take, it could only make me lood better $\:D$ $;\)$ . After the holidays I'll give a go full swing. But for now here's the link
Jacks version of Tami\'s song with bert add in

Man mark, I love what you came up with. Very cool.

And Den, You fix it up real nice.

Guy, the piano sound is the same idea I was thinking on guitar. I was gonna build the song around 7ths. But like I said above PC kept freezing. I like the sound. Nice piano work!!!

Jack, that's one sweet take of Tami's song. I hope you don't mind me using yours to for some idea :p :rolleyes: I seem to be butchering your songs lately. I'll have to stop that. $\:\($

Gotta get some sleep

bert

billbuxton

(Planeteer)

12/11/04 08:05 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Den - there's a bit of hall reverb on the piano. On the vocal I used 444's trick of copying the track and moving the copy back by the tiniest amount and then squashing it with compression. The original got a little bit of 500ms delay with the feedback set to 0. Then I panned them at 10 to 2, or even 5 to 1.

Jack - I agree with Den - thank Tami for us. Glad you're feeling a bit better. Matron says stay out of that studio - you don't want to have to have a mustard enema do you?

bert

(Planeteer)

12/11/04 08:14 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Oh forgot to mention. Lead at end is very sloppy or course. I need time to work on it. It was one a quicky. No excuse. I not good at coming up on the fly:)

bert

drhek2004

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12/11/04 09:43 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

bert, thanks for the compliment. I like the melodic riffing you did on Jack's tune. Improvising is hit or miss for me. That's why I dont do it much myself. It seems to come pretty natural for you though.

Guy, thanks for the info. That's some excellent advice. It'll definitely cut down on recording time since you dont have to re-record a part to get the effect.

Before I forget, I made an htm file index in the TamiSong folder. Feel free to add a description and a link to your tune if you like.

http://helserj.temp.powweb.com/vs840/songs/TamiSong/TamiSong_Index.htm

Den

jim y

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 12:42 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Managed to get a bunch downloaded of the Tami songs, not all, but a good start (it takes media player so long to buffer with my connection, I might as well download first).

All I gotta say now is what a great voice she has. Definately country/pop but it's got enough personality to stand out as her own voice.

Jacks done a very good job of recording her (I've only really listened to the original version so far), no obvious compression, no popping and no sibilance. Very good considering it's the first time he's recorded her and they didn't have much time.

That glitching with the drum machine fills... Without listening closely, it may be what I call "the curse of the fours".
Consider a 4, 8, 12 or 16 bar pattern. What if the melody hits on beat 4 of the last bar instead of a bars 1st beat? A lot of songs/styles do this. But if the fill waits for beat one, it's one beat late! It should start on beat 4 of the previous bar, because that's where the feel of everything else falls.

This is tricky to fix with patterns as in a drum machine, and an auto-fill almost certainly has no option to start other than after a bar or pattern end. My SR16 is just the same. A computer sequencer, midi or audio loops, makes things easier, you often only have to drag the parts over a beat.

The only cure - drum machine or sequencer, is to write a special intro pattern that is mute until the 2nd beat (assuming 4/4). All other patterns have to be written offset so beat one is the "hit" of the melody or riff but beat 2 is the start of the bar. Fills and breaks and all patterns have to have their last beat programmed as the first beat of the next bar.

Visually, here's a normal "on the beat" 4/4 pattern, K being a kick drum beat, S is snare, letters ABCD fill beats (say, a toms roll) and the "/" being bar marks.

/KKSK/KKSK/ABCD/KKSK/ etc

Now for patterns for a song using downbeats. "-" represents a mute beat. We have to start with a special intro pattern of /-KKS/

/-KKS/KKKS/KKKS/ABCD/ABCD/KKKS/ etc

To end the song, you might want to write an end pattern to finish on beat 4 /KKKS/K---/

A is the first beat of the fill and when heard, falls where beat 4 of the main rhythm is. When the melody or riff comes back in, it starts on beat 4 as it should.

Having a 4123 pattern seems crazy, but as it repeats (loops) is still plays in order and sounds right. The point is, if your sequencer/drum machine won't let you join patterns on anything other than bar boundaries, it's the only way to make it work.

The same principle applies whatever the time signature or pattern length is. If it's 8/8 or more, then the offset could be 2 beats.

Sorry if this seems a head scratcher. I always have to resort to scribbling on bits of paper when I hit this problem. I've been stumped by this many times, and it can be hard work to fix when you're well into the recording!

John444

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 01:29 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Quote:

Originally posted by jim y:
I always have to resort to scribbling on bits of paper when I hit this problem ...

Post Its. Can't live without 'em.

I use a calculator a lot ... for cuts and pastes, working out timing, etc. Just today I'm laying down scratch metronome tracks (drum/bass/keys) for a song Karen sings in our concerts. It's the title song of my first CD, and she's taken it over (women!) $;\)$ . The live version has a different feel to it - winds up being about 40 seconds longer than the studio version.

Anyhow, loaded up Jammer Pro which had the old midi tracks in it, counted total measures (105), multiplied by 4 (4/4 time sig) to get beats (420) in the song. Took the number of seconds in the song live (305), and divided by beats in the song (420). Then divided 60 seconds by the result of that, to come up with a shade over 82 bpm, our concert tempo.

The math sure helps the music sometimes!

Jack

billbuxton

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 01:52 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

I've uploaded a first mix of my real version of Another Day, under the title Tami_Guy_BuxtonsBritrock. It's a couple of minutes longer than the original. Sorry, but I'm a SENSITIVE ARTIST and I had to express myself. Hope y'all like it.

You brainy math boys, I think I have a little programme somewhere that does some of that math for you. I'll look for it.

Den - I'm a complete new starter with html - how do you add to the file?

billbuxton

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 02:01 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Sorry, forgot the link for my song

http://helserj.temp.powweb.com/vs840/songs/TamiSong/Tami_Guy_BillBuxtonsBritrock.mp3

Here;s another link for that calculator. It's actually for sampler users, but is useful for other stuff eg if you want to get the rate of a flanger in time with your music.

http://mp3.deepsound.net/eng/samples_calculs.php

drhek2004

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12/12/04 02:37 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Guy,
Just downloaded your rock take and gonna listen to it 1st thing when I get home tonight. Looking forward to it.

You can open it in notepad if you like and just copy and paste one of the previous lines in it, substituting my info with yours. If you have any problems, just email me the file name and details about it to drhek2001@yahoo.com and Ill be more than happy to add it in.

Den

Bassmusician

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12/12/04 03:57 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Guy,
I got it downloadin right now man. I gigged last night, and am just sort of re-cooping today, and if I can get the net long enough, I'll get it downloaded, seems to download faster from Jacks site than those other ones.
Had a really great gig last night, Hats off to Jeff, he rocked for not playing in so long, I wish I'd have taken the 840 and got a cheezy board recording, man I BLASTED out the lyrics to "War Pigs" the crowd went wild, and I suprised myself, after this pnemonia bout, I dint know if I could pull it off or not, but I have to pat myself on the back, now if I could only play the Bassline like Geezer Butler...lol... I totally simplify it so I can sing, (thats a good reason to say that I simplify it, fact is, I'm no Geezer on da Bass... $;\)$
Jack

billbuxton

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 05:02 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Glad to hear you're back on form Jack. I've taken some liberties with Tami's vocal, hope she doesn't mind. I'm going to have to redo some things and add some more guitars. But I'd been at it for 2 full days, thought I'd get some feedback.

drhek2004

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 05:19 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Oh Guy, You are a freakin' genius!! I just love your version of the tune!!! I am totally speechless.

I added your entries to the index file. Also, I change the name so it will always be at the top of the list.

http://helserj.temp.powweb.com/vs840/songs/TamiSong/!!!TamiSong_Index!!!.htm

Den

John444

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 05:58 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

I put an official 'index.html' in there that will come up automatically, with Bill / Guy's entry. I used yours Den, and did a make from, pasting typical html start and end file stuff, and used an index created from WS-FTPLE to generate the file list. Also put a return to PARENT INDEX in there. I think I'll put up index for the other 2 song directories - and may re-name the other directories or tamisong directory so it is consistent. The other directories, by our names, don't need an index - the but the 3 song directories seem like they're more for completed works? Will get it figured out. Perhaps after more eggnog.

Thanks for the help Den.

...

Guy - that song of yours is SUCH a kick! Monster build up to complete face-busting fun. $;\)$

Loved it man!

Jack

drhek2004

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 09:59 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

No problem Jack. It does make alot more sense doing it the way you did it. I was one-eyeing it when I did mine $\:D$

Den

billbuxton

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12/12/04 12:07 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Thanks for the compliments chaps. The intro was meant to be 30 secs, but I put in 60 bars instead of 60 beats! Mind you, she has such a lovely clear voice I could have gone on and on with that filmic stuff. There's more to life than cutting and pasting though. If I'd put that time into rehearsing the mandolin I wouldn't be quite so embarrassed this morning.

Jack - thanks for the bass and drums, I never used them in the end. Couldn't get them to sync, and decided it was quicker to buckle down and do my own thang. Shall I delete them from the Tami folder now? Thanks to you and Den both for sorting out that index. Do you actually have to do all that >rgrew20%fart20%^< type stuff yourself when you do html?

billbuxton

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 12:12 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Do you guys know what a Bodhran is? It's a kind of Irish hand drum. I've been looking on the net for samples - I really wanted it to go with the mandolins on that track but had to make do with spoons.

drhek2004

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 12:49 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Guy, the mandolin playing sounded great to me; As did the whole tune.

Actually, the server put those 20%s in when I copied the URLs. I think they do that for any files that have spaces in the file name.

The only sample I found so far for that drum is this. Maybe you can crop out some hits.

http://www.mid-east.com/Sounds/btwr.wav

Den

billbuxton

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 12:58 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Thanks Den - that's a great sample. I can see I'll be doing some maths

jim y

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 01:11 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Guy, I'd get a real Bodhran (most people pronounce it "Bore-ran" for those not familiar).

I've got a couple I could sample for you, but there are so many different tones from the things, you'd really want to capture a particular type of hit to suit the tune.

The time is surely coming where we can each put a CD together with the "hi-fi" versions of our efforts and share them around. This would also be a good opportunity to exchange any samples, soundfonts and such anybody requires.

Bronwen just bought a large Bodhran off e-bay, nice, deep martial tone. Only pity is it has tacky-fake celtic artwork on it. I'm told you cannot remove it without damaging the skin.

On the last page of the thread, Jack444 spoke of BPM calculation. Maybe this deserves its own thread, so I'll start one. Then I'd better have another go at catching up with all that tunage!

jim y

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 01:17 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Oh yeh, having said I couldn't see my way to contributing a Remembrance Day tune, ideas have suddenly sprung forth and I'm jotting down ideas at odd moments. Be warned that it seems to be taking a "prog-rock" turn with different sections, 5 of them so far. It's anyones guess if it makes it into a finished piece!

billbuxton

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 05:46 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

That should take a while to upload Jim!

John444

(Planeteer)

12/12/04 05:52 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Quote:

Originally posted by billbuxton:
Do you actually have to do all that >rgrew20%fart20%^< type stuff yourself ...

Any 'farts' in my music, are purely by accident.

Though I must say Guy, I'm very impressed with your hearing. When recording, once in a great while, I let off a "one cheek sneak" - previously they were inaudible in my recordings because I was using a fabric-covered chair. But now that I'm using a vinyl covered chair, there are indeed some reverberations.

I usually tell people it's a zither.

$;\)$ $\:D$

Bassmusician

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12/12/04 07:03 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Ok,
I think I've downloaded and listened to all the takes on Tami's song. I have to say that they are all fantastic!!
I really dug Den's "Hard Rock" Take on it of coarse.
I liked Jacks new verson with "Less Verb", thats just me though, when I first got into "Multi Tracking" my mentaur, the guy who also taught me how to play Bass, told me that all songs have "some" reverb, but that a little bit goes a longgggg way, I know I have been guilty of using it way too heavy at times, but these days, I just use the Roland presets.

I really dug the guitar parts that Mark added to it, made it sound alot brighter and bouncier, of coarse Mark is an awesome guitar player, for some odd reason, on my version, theres like 1 minute and 40 seconds of silence at the end? I can crop that out in Magix though, awesome job Mark!!

I really dug what Bert added to Jacks version, just wish it was added to the one with less verb, but awesome job there Bert!!! Filled it out alot.

I thought OleBillBuxtons Boogie was really cool, but I have to say, and no offence to anyone here, my fav was:

"BillBuxtonsBritrock" I think it's because Guy seems to have slowed the tempo a tad? and the way he cut parts of the vocals and pasted um here and there, way cool effect!! that one thing she did, the arghhhhhhh was actually a mistake that she said to leave in there cause it sounded kinda cool, and I liked the way Guy used that on it too.
Plus the cool instruments, thats a Mandolin huh? At one point I thought I heard a Sitar in there. In anycase it rocks!

Please dont take offence anyone, I thought ALL takes were better than the one I did, I thought they were all "Radio Worthy" I guess we all just have to have a fav huh? I'm sure Tami is down there in GA all bigheaded at how cool all these takes on her tune is.
Thanks everyone, and feel free to do more if desired.
Myself, I'm off to try and install my Jaz drive and get a cool Bass line for Jacks tune, and maybe try once again to get my Remberance Day song going, I am just really drawing a blank on that tune, I have written and thrown away so many lyrics its unreal on that one..lol...maybe I should do the melody first thing on it?
Hope all are well!
Jack

billbuxton

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12/12/04 07:13 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

I've done a rockier remix with what mark calls a wanker solo and one or two other additions:

https://webftp.powweb.com/download.cgi?filename=Tami__Guy_BritrockRoastbeefMix.mp3

A bit more Thin Lizzy perhaps?

Jim - I could never get the hang of playing the Bodhran. Someone told me to think of wanking, but if you listen to my wanker solos you'll appreciate that I've never become that skilled at it, despite years of practice.

John444

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12/12/04 08:01 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

http://helserj.temp.powweb.com/vs840/songs/TamiSong/Tami__Guy_BritrockRoastbeefMix.mp3

LINK for Guy's new tune.

$;\)$

Guy, does the link you are using work from your PC? I wonder if it's because you have a cookie enabled or something that it works? The link doesn't work from here - I have to use the address above to get it to work.

It's been added to the index already.

Jack

drhek2004

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12/12/04 09:26 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

I really dig it, Guy. Sounds great. You did exactly what I wanted to do with my soloing at the end of the tune. I wanted them more in the background like that.

Den

spillgutMJ

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12/12/04 10:23 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

I have another take up, this time riding John444s coat tails, as usual it seems. I absolutely LOVE this song!!!!!!!!!!

John444

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12/12/04 10:52 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

LINK to Mark's version.

http://helserj.temp.powweb.com/vs840/songs/TamiSong/tami_444_mark.mp3

Mark - am I hearing overtones in the first minute, or did you do some double-lead - at about the 45 second mark? Your opening lead reminds me a bit of the Boston UFO album ... $;\)$

Jack

billbuxton

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12/13/04 01:29 AM

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JackH - I just right clicked and clicked on Copy Shortcut, but you're right it don't work. Tell me how to make workable links please.

JackP - thanks for the compliments. That whole intro was a chance thing - I was desperate to record the mandolin but it was early in the morning, so I put my headphones on and started messing around with soundforge. It's all still 120bpm. The only way I played with timing was to pull the snare part forward a few clicks to drive the beat better in the main song.

Personally I really love all the versions. I have them all lined up in my mp3 player. As each one comes on I think Wow! that's brilliant. I guess the truth is we all had great material to start with. Tami has a great voice which soars above any mix. Please thank her for giving us the opportunity to "produce" her. Oh, and download my Roast Beef mix, I think you'll like it. It's, well, beefier.

drhek2004

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12/13/04 06:49 AM

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Guy, I agree. I really like all the versions as well. Who wouldve thought that 1 vocal melody could inspire so many great ideas $\:\)$

spillgutMJ

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12/13/04 02:14 PM

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Guy, that latest take of yours is WAY trippy, really cool. Yeah its wierd how inspiration can strike so differently!! Great job to all!!!

Mark

spillgutMJ

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12/13/04 03:46 PM

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WOW, I just listened to my latest take, the one with 444s music. Man you guys can delete that right now!!! LOL That solo at the end I played is LAME!!! You must forgive me as I did it while I was gearing up for the Packers football game. While Im gearing up, it usually includes a six pack of beer. I thought it sounded great yesterday. Its pretty amazing how 3 or 4 beers can affect your playing. A lesson to all the kids out there....Beer & wah pedals do not mix!!
Sorry again for the ear-sore!!

billbuxton

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12/13/04 04:26 PM

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Thanks Mark - did you spot the backwards guitar?Let us know when you've got that solo fixed - I was just about to catch up on downloading. My wife said the exact same thing last night about playing the banjo after a couple of whiskies.

Did you folks read JimY's suggestion on one of the other threads about putting a CD together? I think it would be a good idea. From a personal standpoint it would force me to either tidy up some of the messy bits in my songs or else get one of you guys to play what I can't.

John444

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12/13/04 05:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by billbuxton:
JackH - I just right clicked and clicked on Copy Shortcut, but you're right it don't work. Tell me how to make workable links please.

Guy,

There are 2 different addressing methods. For you guys with upload permission and folders, you use that FTP program, or the login info I sent you to upload/download.

For folks who just want to listen to the songs / navigate the song directories, the basic link is:

http://helserj.temp.powweb.com/vs840/songs/

You then add the specific song directory, like

TamiSong

Becomes: http://helserj.temp.powweb.com/vs840/songs/TamiSong/

That ought to do it. $;\)$

Jack

John444

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12/13/04 05:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by billbuxton:
Did you folks read JimY's suggestion on one of the other threads about putting a CD together?

I'd wanna re-do some stuff - everything I've been doing is on the quick / one take mistakes and all. It would be fun to do though.

So, what's the name of our virtual group?

8fourDs
Eight4Ds
Ate4Ds
Geezers With Ear Hair
The Unsupported and Obsolete
Yangtson CanaBrits

?

We willing to pitch some disks back and forth via snail mail to get the better fidelity? I'd commit some of my 'mad money' to the project.

$;\)$

billbuxton

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12/13/04 05:49 PM

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Jack - thanks for the advice. As for the virtual band, I'd be willing to go the snail mail route myself.

jim y

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12/13/04 05:52 PM

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Snail-mail isn't too expensive - but then again it ain't nothing, but I guess only one set of copies needs to find it's way across the ponds and/or borders. If we use a DVD-r, everything will fit on one disk and one person with the facilities can produce the DVD-r from his fellow countrymens Cd's and also deal with the distribution of that recieved from abroad, posssibly having to produce a set of Cd-rs for anyone not having a DVD reader.

Once everybody has finished polishing their work (and we'll have to impose some sort of cut-off date so the perfectionists amongst us don't take forever!), we go thru distribution again only this time everybody ends up with the Perfect comp.

I suppose Guy and I can fight over the job over here!

Actually, Jack (Bass) may hold some sort of record for the number of CD's mailed in one jewel-case. Along the lines of "how many people can get in a phone box" or an Austin Mini.

I like "Unsupported and Obsolete" a lot Jack.

spillgutMJ

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12/13/04 06:37 PM

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Id be so proud to put a cd together as long as all you wonderful & gifted musicians names were somewhere in the vacinity of mine. A player is as good as the musicians he\her surrounds themselves with.

billbuxton

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12/13/04 07:23 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Are we a bit at cross purposes here? I think Jim's suggesting we each make a cd to send to everyone else, possibly centrally compiled to DVD-r. But I think JackH is talking about producing a CD collectively by pooling our talents. Or is it just my imagination? I'm up for either - good excuse to splash out on a dvd recorder I guess

bert

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12/13/04 07:27 PM

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I in too. Once I get settled here.

Mark, lead sounds good to me. I wish I could be play lead half as good.

Like both new version from mark and guy. Just check in and had a listen.

Cool mix guy.

Bass, when the dust settles here, I'll redo. It was a quicky to give an idea. I used Jacks cause it had the beat and rythym I was looking for without spending much time. Thanks for letting me hack your version Jack. You are so kind $\:\)$

bert

spillgutMJ

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12/13/04 07:37 PM

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I put up a different take with 444s & Tamis music & my crap across the top. Im thinking this song does not need a guitar solo, unless Im just not finding where one would go....I dunno. Im not a huge fan of "solos". In the end Ill be the first to admit that the song must dictate the direction of any "soloist". I might just suck too, thats always a possibility!!!! LOL

jim y

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12/13/04 09:33 PM

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I'm still grinning over Guy's latest hack of the "Tami Song".

"And the award for the most gratuitous use of an audio editor in a Country-rock song goes to...
BILL BUXTON!!!!"

Seriously, it's quite something. VVG!

Hmm.. I may do a version yet, if I can find an even wierder angle than Guys. I've still got a track of Marks I want to do something with too.

I don't think there will be enough finished material to exceed a CD, but I do suspect there might be more parts/tracks/backings in .wav than would fit, that's the only reason I suggested DVD, to cut postage weight = cost. I may be wrong.

I'm not against sending or revieving a complete multitrack that someone else wants to mix, that sends the MB count rocketing!

John444

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12/13/04 09:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by bert:
Thanks for letting me hack your version Jack. You are so kind $\:\)$

;) Is there another verb I should use, Bert? $;\)$ $\:D$

I've got a thesaurus, you know. $;\)$

Jack

drhek2004

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12/13/04 10:23 PM

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Mark, I think your solo in the tune is just fine.

I agree with your theory on guitar solos. It gets very boring very quick when you hear someone blowing their wad (pardon the expression) on each and every song. Most of the time, lesser is better.

Bassmusician

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12/14/04 03:13 AM

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Hello Everyone,
Tami called me today, and she wanted me to Thank all of you for the versions you did of her song, she said she is "shaking with excitement". She said that this is the BEST Christmas Present she has ever gotten.
I told her that if she ever comes to visit us again, (She and her family live in GA), to make sure she has more time so we can record more, she has a ton of songs she's written over the years.
I hope she buys herself another guitar and starts playing again, i mean afterall, she cut off all her fingernails to do that one!!! ha ha..
Anyway, she gives a big Heartfelt thanks to all!!! I told her once it all fizzes out, and no one else is adding, I will Burn them all to a CD for her and mail it to her, she has a bit of a rough time downloading them, EVEN though they have high speed, and she is a Computer expert... ha ha... (She works on a computer all day in her job)...LOL
Jack

Cornjerker

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12/14/04 04:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Bassmusician:
... she said she is "shaking with excitement" ...

I often have that effect on women. $;\)$

Bassmusician

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12/14/04 04:39 AM

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Jerky,
Are you Larry's OTHER Brother Darrell??????
LOL Tell your brother Jack to look in his inbox in awhile there might be a suprise for him there if it will upload.

Mark,
I didn't get your new verson downloaded, because i didn't see it till just now, and its my bedtime bro, DON"T be so hard on yourself bro!! I thought your version and Dens version of the "Life" songs were my favs, allthough I did think all were very awesome.
We all have our "special" talents, too bad we couoldn't all hook up somehow, and start an "online recording studio" become rich and famous and all that jive...LOL
Jack

bert

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12/14/04 05:46 AM

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Quote:

Is there another verb I should use, Bert?

I've got a thesaurus, you know.

Jack

If ya use that de saurus, I wun know what cha talken bout. :p

bert

billbuxton

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12/14/04 09:02 AM

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Mark - thought your version was great, but never heard the solo - like quite a few of my dls recently it cut off early and abruptly - at 1.57, just as I was getting into it.

spillgutMJ

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12/14/04 01:59 PM

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Thanks Guy & Den, you guys are too kind.

JackP, you said that Tami said this is the greatest Christmas present she'd ever received.
Well, I would say that it is Tami who has given all who have worked on it the gift here. I think I speak for everyone, she is a wonderful talent. There are alot of half a$$ed singer\songwriters around...you hear it on top 40 radio every day but just from working on that one song, one can tell that she has "the goods". I must say yet again that it has been a real treat to work with all of you & Im grateful for the chance to do so.

Mark

billbuxton

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12/14/04 06:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by spillgutMJ:
I would say that it is Tami who has given all who have worked on it the gift here. I think I speak for everyone, she is a wonderful talent. Mark

My own sentiment exactly. If more of my time was my own I could go on and on rearranging that song, and enjoying every minute of it.

spillgutMJ

(Planeteer)

12/14/04 06:17 PM

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Does Tami have enough for an entire cd Jack? What youre talking about as far as an "online studio" is not too far out. Id pump whatever I could into a project of that magnitude. Id have to nominate JimY or 444 as the "producer". Its not an impossibility. For a voice that strong, it would be well worth the effort!! $\:\)$

Mark

billbuxton

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12/14/04 06:30 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jim y:
[QB]
"And the award for the most gratuitous use of an audio editor in a Country-rock song goes to...
BILL BUXTON!!!!"

Jim, it's country-electronica since I got my hands on it. I'm not quite sure if you could get a wierder angle. The fact that it's in triplets is something of a restraint. It would require an awful lot of chopping up to make it into,say, a four on the floor dance track. Bossa Nova perhaps? You still have to do quite a bit of editing, but it may be doable. What would be excellent and really amusing would be Uillean pipes. If you couldn't get the real thing it could be done with midi, but would take forever to make it sound convincing. Finbar Furey would be just the man.

billbuxton

(Planeteer)

12/14/04 07:49 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Tami CD - there's an idea. I'd go for it, but I agree that production would best lie in the hands of someone with real production values. I know I've said it before, but her voice stands out so well in a mix no matter what you do with it.

On the subject of solos Mark, I think you're right. I just relistened to my version of the Tami song with more mandolins and no lead - think I prefer it. What happened to guitar soloing? ~Listen to Django Rheinhardt or George Harrison - one plays millions of notes, the other about four, but they're always related to the melody of the particular song. Then Hendrix records All Along The Watchtower and ever since every one is trying to recreate it. Sure you twiddle about for so long, but it's all waiting for the moment when you get somewhere above the 15th fret and soar. Not that I'm knocking Hendrix. Couple of times a week my wife and I will be chatting after dinner and one of us will go "da-da da-da da-da". Then she says can you sing the guitar solo, and I have a go, then she tries too. Then we give up and put the track on and give ourselves over to the sense of wonder. The word "awesome" may even pass our lips.

spillgutMJ

(Planeteer)

12/14/04 08:15 PM

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Its difficult to tell but my problem may be one of ego. I mean, Im 35 years old for Gods sake!!! Why dont I get sick of hearing myself play guitar?!?!?! Ive been doing it for 25 years!! Ive played in local bands who have had a great following. It may be the child in me trying to do it better than the kid down the block, I dunno...I think the song is KING....the GROOVE is king. Im much more drawn to a groove than to a soloist....I may be at a midlife crisis or something, you all caught me at a bad time!!!!! LOL $\:\)$
Love to all, Mark

bert

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12/14/04 09:23 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Personelly, I love a good solo in any song. And the old addage less is more is dependent upon what the more is. I can hear a song so simple, and I say to myself, "Wow that sounds awesome"(sorry guy, had to do it. $\:\)$ And then, I'll listen to a production type of song with the whole band playing at once. And I'll say the same thing. To me it just depends on how tastefully something is done. I mean how much time has anyone really spent with thier solo's. If I spent as much time on a solo as I do figuring out a bass line. I'm pretty sure it'll work. Two of my two favorite quitarist, comes to mind. Carlos Santana and Eric Clapton will putting in little riffs throughout there songs and they great. And Claptons'seem to end up being the hook of the song. I know it's a different era today. But the styles we play revolve around the era of yesterday. And boy is that a blessing to me. $\:\)$ So keep those leads coming I say.

bert

drhek2004

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12/14/04 10:39 PM

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bert,

Ive mention that time and time again about solos. As much thought should be put into them as the rest of the parts. Personally, I have tunes that have solos which are an onslaught of riffs and scales, blended in-time with the rhythm Im playing over. Then I have others where I only have a 8-10 note slow harmony.

I too believe every song should have a solo. But, it should fit with the song.

As Tami's song goes, the riffing she does at the end w/ her voice is a nice solo in it's self. I almost didn't put a guitar solo on mine... it really didn't need it because of her's being there.

billbuxton

(Planeteer)

12/14/04 11:03 PM

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There we go, got responses from my three favourite soloists. Clapton is interesting - his solos do usually sound like part of the song rather than just a solo. Mark, don't agonise too much. Self doubt is good in its place, but only as a stepping stone to higher things and to prevent us from becoming complacent. Only 35? In 4 weeks I'm 49 and I'll never play as well as you or Bert or Den. Doesn't stop me dreaming. After all, however much we love it, it's only music, and pontificating about the validity of soloing was only really a cover for me to say don't you think All Along the Watchtower is the best ever ever ever? But I don't think you should get sick of your own guitar playing, because you are a very creative player as are others here. Out there in the wide world I hear too many, including myself, who only have 4 riffs and play them again and again. Now you do get sick of that.

bert

(Planeteer)

12/14/04 11:20 PM

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guy, now don't you go getting down on your playing. From what I heard, you got the talent, lead included. I don't think any of us really are happy with are playing. At times I think, that my playing sounds really good, only to come back to listen again and say I got a lot of work to do on my playing. I pretty much think of myself as just so so in my lead playing. I really am just learning how to follow the structure of a song while playing lead. It used to be just play pentatonic minor in what ever key it was. Very frustrating for me. Everyone hear seems to sound pretty dam good to me. I sometimes am a little shy about posting my playing unless I spent a lot of time on a song. But I just want to get an idea out so that maybe some others can bring it to life. $\:\)$

Gotta go pick up my little girl. Check back later. This is a subject I interested to see how others feel about it.

bert

drhek2004

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12/15/04 12:45 AM

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I disagree bert. I am absolutely satisfied with the way I play (rhythm & lead), as everyone else here should be of your own playing. As my mom used to tell me when I was growing up "be the best you can be, not the best he can be!" (comparing myself to my brothers and friends). She's the wisest person I know. I shared this knowledge with all my guitar students. Some thought it was stupid and some didn't. The ones that didn't turned out to be the most successful.

John444

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12/15/04 01:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by billbuxton:
In 4 weeks I'm 49 ...

2-1/2 weeks for me. New-Freakin'-Years-Eve baby. What a flippin' pain in the butt that is!

When's your's Guy?

Jack

John444

(Planeteer)

12/15/04 01:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by drhek2004:
I disagree bert.

I disagree with bert too, Den.

What are we disagreeing with him about, anyway? $;\)$ $\:D$

drhek2004

(Planeteer)

12/15/04 01:04 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

His statement I don't think any of us really are happy with are playing.

I'm glad I could count on you to be in my corner, Jack $\:D$

John444

(Planeteer)

12/15/04 01:08 AM

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Hey, I'm for anybody who is against bert! $;\)$ $\:D$ (jk)

bert

(Planeteer)

12/15/04 04:02 AM

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Quote:

I don't think any of us really are happy with are playing

Den, if I could play lead as good as you, I be very happy. $\:\)$

I shouldn't have made my point for anyone else. Sorry about that. I for one, am only satisfied for a brief period. I grew up hearing you can do better or being compared to others close to me. So, I guess that's where that comes from. Not a bad thing always, just different. I found that, when challenged from others, I wanted to prove that I could do whatever the challenge was. Playing lead guitar never came easy for me. And, I always wanted to be good at it. Now, I feel like I'm making strides. I am looking to the day when I hum out a lead I'm hearing in my head, and play the same on guitar without thinking about it. Then I'll be satisfied. I have some time to go yet for that.

Jack, your killing me. $\:D$

drhek2004

(Planeteer)

12/15/04 05:59 AM

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LOL Jack $\:D$

bert, I heard all your tunes and you have some really tasty chops of your own, bro. Don't sell yourself short.

In any case, as they say, you are your worst critic. That definitely holds true to everyone. Just keep in mind that what you hear and what your audience hears isnt the same. The only thing we can hope for is that they hear something better $;\)$

billbuxton

(Planeteer)

12/15/04 07:35 AM

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Personally I'm always dissatisfied with something because I know I could do better - that's what all my school reports said anyway. Maybe it is something we get from our upbringing.

Recording music is like painting - there's no obvious moment where you think that's it it's finished. One thing I've learnt is always do a mix and burn it to a cd. In a few months you will be less preoccupied by niggling details and able to make objective decisions about the bigger picture. If you've kept the tracks you can go back and change what's not working.

JackH - that's nice, you'll be in the Olympics for your birthday. Mine's 4 weeks today I think - the 12th. So you're a 55er and I'm a 56er.

jim y

(Planeteer)

12/15/04 10:28 AM

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"JackH - that's nice, you'll be in the Olympics for your birthday. Mine's 4 weeks today I think - the 12th. So you're a 55er and I'm a 56er."

There's an Olympic event for being an old git? Wow!

drhek2004

(Planeteer)

12/15/04 11:28 AM

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bert, I really dig your song "All that". Reminds me of Badfinger, big time. Who's that singing on it?

Cornjerker

(Planeteer)

12/15/04 03:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by jim y:
There's an Olympic event for being an old git? Wow!

Yes. Yes there is.

Perhaps Guy and me will start our own virtual band and call it the '49ers'. Just think what we'll be in 20 years! $;\)$

Jack

spillgutMJ

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12/15/04 05:32 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Hey Im a "69er" already!! Cant take that away!! LOL $\:\)$

bert

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12/16/04 02:13 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Den, that's my buddy Dave, singing. Those songs we did together when I first got the 840. A lot of the leads in those songs are also Dave. Some are me. Most of the bass is me. Some are Dave. Almost all the vocals are Dave. My wife sing along with Dave in Looking for Love. He and she both have great voices. I loved working together with him. We complimented each other very well. He would come up with an idea and I would add on to it. Or I would say try this, and he would go with it. Unfortunately, his motivation wasn't the greatest. Seem to need direction to often. Too much into partying.

I really enjoy this. There's nothing better than sharing your music. $\:\)$

bert

drhek2004

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12/16/04 05:37 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

That's a damned shame bert. You guys sounded awesome. I wouldve loved being a part of that.

I jammed w/ a Dave that was the same exact way. a great singer, song writer and unfortunately flake.

spillgutMJ

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12/17/04 10:59 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

I too played in a band with a Dave, great singer but couldnt see it. Drugs & women were his main focus. We used the same word too Den, "flake".

drhek2004

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12/17/04 11:50 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Mark, I would take this as a bad omen, if it werent for the fact that I had jammed with 2 other Daves who were just the opposite of the Flakey Dave. $\:D$

Cornjerker

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12/17/04 03:30 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Who is it?
It's Dave, man. Will you open up? I got the stuff with me.
Who?
Dave, man. Open up.
Dave?
Yeah, Dave.
Dave's not here.

$;\)$ $\:D$

jim y

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12/17/04 08:01 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Cheech and Chong?

spillgutMJ

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12/17/04 10:49 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Dave? Daves not here...

grachus

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12/18/04 12:28 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Daves not here man. ts almost funnier now then back then. Heh i have been listening to the tunes you have all put down here and must say this is great stuff. I dont think ill get around to a version yet although i really want to try one....okay ill tell you what i was thinking a synth pad with strings approach. dont know if itll work but i like to hear her voice in that.

Nice work to all. I like the fact that some are adding to others work here major nice collaborating. I have a few days off so if i get time i will do a version. as you can guess by my last effort things either roll off right away with me or fester for weeks.
Ya and i saw a doctor about it and he said i have unresolved issues; whatever!
thanks again for the tunes guys and Jacks.

Bassmusician

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12/18/04 02:24 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Quote:

Originally posted by John444:
Hey, I'm for anybody who is against bert! $;\)$ $\:D$ (jk)

Is there anyway you can change Berts Picture to have him and "Ernie" in it??? Maybe Ernie wouldnt disagree... $;\)$

Bassmusician

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12/18/04 02:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by billbuxton:
Then Hendrix records All Along The Watchtower and ever since every one is trying to recreate it. Sure you twiddle about for so long, but it's all waiting for the moment when you get somewhere above the 15th fret and soar. Not that I'm knocking Hendrix.

Guy,
I think "All along the Watchtower" was Jimi's worst work man!!! I am a huge Hendrix fan too man!! I just can't stand hearing him do that tune.
I'd much rather har "Manic Depression" or "Stone Free", in the band we do "Red House" and "Purple Haze", we used to do "Fire" awesome dance tune, and the first song me and Joey ever recorded together was "Wind Cries Mary", I think I sent you that didnt I? Joey was like 10, and playing drums on that, me playing everything else, my lead guitar sounds so "winpy" ha ha.. I was proud of my son though, 10 years old and only made 1 mistake.
You gotta admit though, Hendrix rocked for a crazy dude on Acid who choked to death on his own puke at age 28, he sure accomplished alot in the few years he had on this Earth.
Jack

Bassmusician

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12/18/04 02:39 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Quote:

Originally posted by spillgutMJ:
Dave? Daves not here...

This dude's name is "Strawberry", whatever you do, DON'T look at his face!!!!

I'm not lookin at your face man........

drhek2004

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12/18/04 06:01 AM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

It's just a shame about that Dave dude I jammed with. He was thee only singer I have ever known to be able to harmonize w/ himself. He had a split larynx or something. He could produce 2 tones simultaneously at will. I kid you not. I was just listening to one of our rehearsal tapes and was reminded of it when listening to him do it on one of the tunes he wrote. I'd post it if I had his permission. But, I havent seen him since 1997 when me and my bass player at the time had a jam w/ him and his guitarist. I have no idea where he lives.

Bassmusician

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12/18/04 08:47 PM

Re: a Challenge for my friends, and anyone who may want to give it a Whirl

Den,
I have seen SO many musicians that have ruined themselves with Booze, or other stupid things, it's unreal man. Dave is not in an elite group man, there are so many out there.
I used to be able to do what Dave did, harmonize with myself, before smoking too much, and screaming too much to try and be heard over the other way too loud bandmembers.
I remember me singing the harmony parts of Beatle tunes with myself simply because I didnt understand it was more than one person singing...lol if you can believe that..
It sucks to grow old, and I wish I'd have NEVER started smoking.
Jack