#1006612 - 10/26/10 06:57 AM
spdif to usb adapter
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C Jo Go
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Trying to connect a RME ADi-2 spdif to the USB or Firewire of a Reaper loaded PC ... any cheaper device around ??
$450 just a for a cable Yikes http://www.halidedesign.com/bridge/?gclid=CJq2yMb776QCFRxqgwod70Gz0g
Edited by C Jo Go*Crystal Studios* (10/26/10 07:07 AM)
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#1006678 - 10/26/10 06:39 PM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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C Jo Go
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Hey DT -- trying to go from our RME spdif to the PC .. is there a favorite card I should just install ? Most of the RME's now have USB, unfortunately......
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#1006680 - 10/26/10 06:43 PM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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C Jo Go
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Most of the RME's now have USB, unfortunately......
Edited by C Jo Go*Crystal Studios* (10/26/10 10:42 PM)
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#1006681 - 10/26/10 07:01 PM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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That RME card is an extremely high quality AD card with SPDIF out. It would kind of defeat the purpose to get a cheap 16 bit 44.1 USB interface....
Actually I think it is time for you to get off your tight ass and buy a good PC interface - I suggest an RME multiface, or better yet a USB like
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FirefaceUC/
Come on dude, you have been meandering around for about 2 years talking about it, you do this recording gig for real, for real money. Time to crap or get off the pot.
Let a couple of moths out of your wallet and spring for something good.
BTW, that cable you listed above is a joke. Stay away from it.
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#1006724 - 10/26/10 10:02 PM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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bear
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Sure - add a behringer ADA8000 for 8 more analog I/O - gives you 18 ins and 18 outs altogether - two super high quality from the RME ADI-2, 8 more very good quality from the RME, and 8 more pretty good from the behringer
I do not like behringer stuff much, except for two pieces - the ADA8000 and the headphone distribution amp - both of these have worked well for me.
The ADA8000 is certainly good enough for line level stuff.
Or sell the RME ADI-2 and get some other good MIC pre. You don't really need it.
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#1006728 - 10/26/10 10:05 PM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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bear
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Hell,if I had your money, I would buy 2....
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#1006739 - 10/26/10 10:34 PM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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#1006740 - 10/26/10 10:35 PM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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C Jo Go
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The Manley pre is still hi-quality, going to keep that one -- just bought the RME ADI-2 -- guess I could sell it & look into the gear your suggesting .........just don't want to make another purchase in the wrong direction ,,,,,will try to put the ADI-2 up for sale
thanks
Edited by C Jo Go*Crystal Studios* (10/26/10 11:05 PM)
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#1006747 - 10/26/10 11:15 PM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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C Jo Go
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I have the PC ... Reaper loaded (well tweaked by a noted Planeteer ) will slowly sell my RME /TC /Lexi/ Masterlink gear ... keep my Kurzweils > hopefully the Reaper works well with Midi Sync
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#1006756 - 10/27/10 12:11 AM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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I keep forgetting who's asking the questions when Joe asks what appears to be an innocent enough question about a particular interface.
Randyman and bear have known you a lot longer.... They seem to be able to get the the core issue quick!
I, too, got started on the PC with a single RME Multiface (with PCI card for the desktop pc) and began by transfering 8 tracks at a time in realtime from the 1680 into SawStudio daw.
Although I ended up abandoning the idea of using the 1680 as an input/output mixer/routing device early on, I did try it for just a bit.
It's just so much smoother, easier, cleaner, less of a headache to simply use a high quality PC interface like the RME stuff, hook monitoring needs directly to it and be done with it.
Personally, I like the Multiface breakout box because of its combination of analog I/O and digital I/O (via ADAT and spdif) and the PCI (or PCIe, or pcmcia for laptop) interface card... 8 analog, 8 adat and 2 spdif ins and outs, plus a pair of midi connectors and headphone preamp/line output.
A lot of folk like the PCI card-style units RME makes, where the cables connect directly to the card. And RME makes some rock-solid USB and Firewire units, complete with preamps too... like that 2-channel unit you got, Joe. But, you need many more than just 2 inputs and outputs to make it really work for you.
I still use the 1680 for some things and can always hook it up as a front end to the Multiface if I choose to.... but I just use whatever preamps I like/have on hand, really. I prefer 8-channel preamps for convenience and cost at this point, but I'll experiment with a couple really good 2-channel units at some point...
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#1006763 - 10/27/10 12:38 AM
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#1006782 - 10/27/10 01:31 AM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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C Jo Go
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Thanks guys -- I will sell our RME ( we just purchased ) and search for a FIrewire version .
We sync the Kurzweils sequencers to the VS >> the 16 channels of the keyboards analog are never recorded to the VS.
SO we have a full 24 channels of just vocals/guitars & 16 ch of keys/drums/strings/etc & 8 channels of Lexi/TC electronics ALL at mixdown to a Masterlink
Any reason that PCI version is better than a straight Firewire :: on the RME ??
Edited by C Jo Go*Crystal Studios* (10/27/10 01:34 AM)
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#1006789 - 10/27/10 02:07 AM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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C Jo Go
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READY !@@ Finally ~! Any reason that a PCI version is better than a straight Firewire :: on the RME ?? Latency problems plague one more readily -- smoother interfacing with Reaper >
Edited by C Jo Go*Crystal Studios* (10/27/10 02:31 AM)
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#1006795 - 10/27/10 02:42 AM
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#1006799 - 10/27/10 03:07 AM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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C Jo Go
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Thanks again RANDYMAN -- I have a old Dell Tower /XP -- has a a multitude of USB FIREWIRE --- so hopefully will work fine
Bare bones --except for Reaper
Edited by C Jo Go*Crystal Studios* (10/27/10 03:20 AM)
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#1006809 - 10/27/10 05:05 AM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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My first PC was with 5 1/4 floppies > early 80's -- just not up on latest machines >> not sure what SSE2 represents ? I was hoping Reaper was not too taxing on the computer and pretty much only have one software up & running.....
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#1006984 - 10/28/10 04:51 AM
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Gee! Sorry I missed out on all the fun!
I'd just like to add a couple points from my perspective.
1- PCI (and PCIe) have been rock solid for me since getting into pc recording in 2001. The only "actual" Firewire experience I've had is with M-Audio FW410 (basically 4ch in/6ch out)... where the firewire drivers (the all-important factor for reliability) had a habit of dropping off the face of the earth until M-Audio released about three recent updates in the last year or so. The PC's (14 of them) have been pretty stable ever since.
I have not experienced how large live input counts run with Firewire interfaces, but everything I read about them leads me to believe that there can be problems that one does not usually experience with PCI/PCIe interfaces... an exception possibly being RME products, which appear to have good stability in almost every case, from PCI, to USB, to FW.... but, again, no personal hands-on experience with high input counts on FW and USB.
2- I still rely heavily on the original turnkey PC tower built for me in 2003.... PIV/2G/XPpro/1.5GB RAM... not overclocked. I've not used this machine for heavy input counts (nothing over 16 at once), but routinely playback/edit/mix track counts of 24-40 audio channels. This machine uses three Multiface PCI units for 24 analog inputs/outputs, 3 ADAT inputs/outputs and three pairs of spdif I/O.
I use three Presonus M80, 8-channel analog mic pres as a general rule (having re-purposed two of them from the remote rig after switching to the Digiface breakout boxes a few years back). I sometimes tap in a 2-channel Aphex 1100 tube mic pre. The 1680 goes through one of the Presonus M80's when I need it.
I also generally record at 44.1k/24 bit, which also helps keep the engine from panting with over exertion, but often have the need to edit/mix 96k/24 bit sessions of 20-32 channels, which the PIV begins to huff and puff over.
3- I also continue to exclusively use a remote rig (set up by the same tech friend) made only four months after the tower..... It's also a PIV/2.4G/XPpro/2GB RAM machine built into a lunchbox case. It's been a workhorse for me these past seven years... typically recording from 16-40 channels of audio at once through a pair of RME Digiface/PCI interfaces (three ADAT I/O on each unit, plus spdif) to get 48 channels of live audio at once.
The Digifaces are fed by a rack of Presonus Digimax 48k and 96k, 8-channel pres, plus one ADA 8000, mostly for routing the RME Digiface boxes to single output pairs for monitoring and live two-track feeds.
I mention these machines to illustrate the effectiveness and usefulness of even "antiquated" boxes like the 2G and 2.4G Intel PIV board/cpu. If I had the means, I'm sure I would not refuse to upgrade to more recent dual core systems, but these work great for me still.
Of course, if large amounts of RAM and other system resources are likely to be required for MIDI/VST/VSTi, etc. then I would really consider getting into a more up to date PC as Randyman suggests.
If audio channels is what is mainly required, then I personally don't see a reason to go crazy over whether or not you're using an older PC. The trick, I think, lies in how well the system is tuned and maintained, plus the amount and reliability of the RAM, a powerful enough power supply (400 watts or better, I'd say), how well the chosen video/graphics card plays with the audio system (very important!) and last but not least... how well the chosen audio interface and its associated driver files work with the PC.
It can take a bit of time to get everything humming at top speed, especially if it's pieced together from odds and ends, but it can certainly be done... just be prepared to use patience when/if things get rough while eeking it all out.
The software DAW has a lot less to do with the stability of the running system than some people think.... I think. Especially where Reaper comes into play. I' don't claim to know details at all, but it is my understanding that Reaper and SAWStudio (which I mainly use) have much in common in terms of how they work with the PC... and that being that they don't put as heavy a load on the system, themselves, as some other DAWs do. Please, don't take my word for it, or slam me for it if I'm wrong..... Just tell me where I'm wrong and I'll stand corrected.
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#1006991 - 10/28/10 07:00 AM
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C Jo Go
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WOW thanks so much DT ~!! Great info
It can take a bit of time to get everything humming at top speed, especially if it's pieced together from odds and ends, but it can certainly be done... just be prepared to use patience when/if things get rough while eeking it all out
the part I don't look forward to -- sounds a little precarious to just jump ship ..... will find someone to "set" it all up and guaranteed to be runnin'
will never record 16 channels at time -- mainly two channels and the MIDI of the Kurzweil machines....
For live stuff we will use the VS with its multi channel ease
Sure our older PC will work .. Intel/XP is really solid and a affordable box these days
thanks again for all your research
Edited by C Jo Go*Crystal Studios* (10/28/10 07:06 AM)
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#1007062 - 10/28/10 05:01 PM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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C Jo Go
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I know XP has the 4 gig ram limitation --- so I always keep that max in all my machines. This particular machine has only Reaper installed and the minimum WIN components...the Kurzweils will run most the instrumentation ...
I think anything will be faster than the Roland VS
Edited by C Jo Go*Crystal Studios* (10/28/10 09:01 PM)
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#1007922 - 11/01/10 01:21 AM
Re: spdif to usb adapter
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C Jo Go
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Is the Tascam 1884 "talk" well with Reaper ?? At least I would have faders for post control ~!
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