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#1165242 - 10/13/12 07:40 AM Digital Era - loss of recordings
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Hallo Everybody
A lot is being said nowadays about the digital era - ‘cd’s are old-fashioned’, etc. But in the Rolling Stone Magazine (i think it was in the issue of January of 2011) I read how Beggars Banquet wanted to publish Cult’s original 1985 album ‘Love’ in 2009 but found that one master recording of the original could not be played at all. Only 80% of the original album was left on all other recordings. So, it is gone. In the 80’s analogue recordings were easily stored and just as easily ‘called-up’ or played. I take it that in the digital era it is very easy to record and store – provided you do not want to use those recordings some time in the future! So the truth is, we would very much like to keep the multiband-masters, with each instrument on its own v-track. Thereby we could always edit on older recordings... later. Now the other part of this problem is that shape-shifter programs, hardware and operating systems cannot always ‘read’ older recordings. At EMI a lot of the 70/80’s hits’ original recordings do not have any percussion/drums anymore. And so often these older recordings require computer software that is no longer available – anywhere. I know that EMI reacted on this by storing the data on a system similar to those used by banks. It would be very sad to loose good music of former era’s. Does any one know more about what’s being done??
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Edited by Mintaka (10/13/12 07:42 AM)
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#1165275 - 10/13/12 11:55 AM Re: Digital Era - loss of recordings [Re: Mintaka]
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There certainly isn't anything infallible about analog recordings from the past!... although I understand your points about the digital format.

Plenty of past recordings are all but lost to history because of poorly kept archives, or even from not keeping an archive at all.
Same goes for film.

One of the biggest "hassles" of keeping archives today is the need to "print" extra tracks that contain any externally produced parts(and sync'd during production), such as drum machines, etc. to the multi-track session for future reference. It's also more often necessary to print effects to extra tracks, too, including basic reverb and delay effects because of the possibility of not being able to access the same plug-ins in some future computer system.

Your own precious backups will only be as good as you can manage to maintain them.... and even then, there's no way to tell how compatible future systems will be with our current ideas of longevity.
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#1165411 - 10/14/12 12:42 AM Re: Digital Era - loss of recordings [Re: uptildawn]
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Wallflowers couldn't include One Headlight to some Guitar Hero because the drum tracks were corrupt and wouldn't play.

I do think now that pretty well everyone has settled on Broadcast Wav (wav with sample accurate timestamp...a properly backed up file should remain viable. Wallflowers would've been that transitional era or digital TAPE, which incorporated the worst aspects of both formats--physical frailty of medium, with digital "works or it doesn't" file integrity.

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#1165470 - 10/14/12 09:39 AM Re: Digital Era - loss of recordings [Re: Popmann]
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Isn't WAV more of a problem to edit later? Where do we store all these backups? HD?
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#1193948 - 01/24/13 10:30 AM Re: Digital Era - loss of recordings [Re: Mintaka]
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There certainly isn't anything infallible about analog recordings from the past!... although I understand your points about the digital format


Your interpersonal skilled would be helpful to fix the problem.
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#1193990 - 01/24/13 01:19 PM Re: Digital Era - loss of recordings [Re: bright]
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 Originally Posted By: bright
There certainly isn't anything infallible about analog recordings from the past!... although I understand your points about the digital format


Your interpersonal skilled would be helpful to fix the problem.


Are you quoting me from the earlier post? Are you saying that I should be contribulting something more to a discussion of the original questions asked?

I was simply pointing out (to clarify a little) a possible mis-assumption about the ease with which analog archives could be recalled and reproduced.

I was not attempting to lead a discussion into what the future holds for archiving, since I do not know...... other than the obvious..... future archives will depend as much on the ability for a person to keep their own recordings updated and safe from both decay and loss of technological means of reproduction as anything else you might say.
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