#1307128 - 06/06/14 11:24 PM
Mix fire sale
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Popmann
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If you've got anything you need me to mix...make contact ASAP...I'm calling this a day. Selling the studio off. Shingle getting taken down....Obviously, I'll keep whatever I need as a recording artist...but, that ain't much...
Likely calling it end of month--make the book keeping easier.
you can PM or email me at Langsongs AT yahoo DOT com.
Edited by Popmann (06/06/14 11:25 PM)
Edit Reason: cleaning up
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#1307132 - 06/06/14 11:30 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Popmann]
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DAGtunes
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You do great work. Perhaps transition over to "live event" mixing, and production work for film/TV in your town. More money in that game...
That's basically what Motown does.
Mixing music for release/sale is a hard row to hoe, being that there is no money in it from the artist side. (Selling CD's, etc...)
Best of luck, in whatever you pursue next, and thanks again for the work you did for me. 
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#1307134 - 06/06/14 11:39 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
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Duckhead
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What a bummer Pop!! Hope everything works out! 
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#1307141 - 06/07/14 12:33 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
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Alan
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Ocht! - I hope you fall on yer feet and things pick up soon Bro!
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#1307143 - 06/07/14 12:38 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Alan]
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Jazzooo
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Sorry to hear it, or congratulations, whichever is most appropriate, Jamie. Were you advertising for clients online?
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#1307151 - 06/07/14 01:10 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Jazzooo]
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C Jo Go
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Good Luck Jamie --- you got the skills for anything "musical"
I started doing more video // live music with the VS -- I had my good 30 years , of tracking artist.
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#1307161 - 06/07/14 03:10 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: C Jo Go]
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JazAddict
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Why? No income? Bored?
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#1307168 - 06/07/14 03:32 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: JazAddict]
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Popmann
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Registered: 05/23/02
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Loc: Twangville, TN
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Not enough work to pay the bills. Simple as that. No interest in doing it as a hobby.
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#1307178 - 06/07/14 03:58 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
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ulank
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#1307186 - 06/07/14 06:33 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: C Jo Go]
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Xenophile
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Sorry to hear, man. I'm impressed with your work
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#1307189 - 06/07/14 06:39 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
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Andy McClelland
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Bummer Pop. Will you be available for consultation (for a fee of course)?
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#1307267 - 06/07/14 05:50 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Andy McClelland]
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TAPKAE
The Artist Presently Known As Ed
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#1307272 - 06/07/14 06:17 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
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Jazzooo
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What will you keep as an artist?
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#1307276 - 06/07/14 06:19 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Jazzooo]
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Chimp
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This is sad - you are one talented SOB. I am sure Al is happy about it tho.
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#1307278 - 06/07/14 06:22 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Chimp]
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glensimonds
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Loc: Brooklyn Park, MN
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i am sorry to hear a another talented mixer is taking down the shingle
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#1307325 - 06/07/14 10:17 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Jazzooo]
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Popmann
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Loc: Twangville, TN
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What will you keep as an artist?
I've been working for some time to get to achieve what I've called being "digital agnostic"...the tracks on these last couple tunes...excepting the drums, which I didn't track...I mostly pushed up the fader and panned it. So, with my mics and my little rack of 2x2 non proprietary SPDIF IO...I could track to what the fuck ever digital thing and get roughly the same sound. So, "the studio" will look like a little rack next to my keyboard--maybe with a monitor/key/mouse above it.
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#1307327 - 06/07/14 11:23 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Popmann]
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TwoTonCarmine
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Music has little value anymore which translates into little chance to make a living from it. Ring tones have more value, it is just the way it is. Good or bad one thing is constant, things change.
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#1307337 - 06/08/14 12:51 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Chimp]
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AL
the last rock hope
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This is sad - you are one talented SOB. I am sure Al is happy about it tho.
That's a stupid comment. Stop being so stupid, Chimp. Stop being a stupid chimp.
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#1307339 - 06/08/14 12:58 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: AL]
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Doughboy
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Sorry Pops.....hope everything works out well for you though.
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#1307422 - 06/08/14 05:28 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
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Waterman
Artist # 435
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Registered: 02/20/02
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Loc: Atlantic Beach, Florida
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Best of luck Jamie! As said earlier "you got skills"!
Tough to make a living playing music period!
Pete
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#1307493 - 06/08/14 11:48 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Waterman]
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Bobkat
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All the best Jamie,the music business is crazy sometimes.You are a very talented engineer and musician!
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#1307513 - 06/09/14 01:55 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Bobkat]
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JimmyT
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Registered: 04/26/99
Posts: 7515
Loc: Snellville, GA, US
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Sorry to hear it Jamie. You do very good work.
Just curious...what are your fire sale rates?
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#1307534 - 06/09/14 04:21 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: JimmyT]
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Popmann
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Loc: Twangville, TN
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Well, each project is a little different....in terms of time requirements...but, if we make an assumption that it's a Planeteer in long standing, not Lurker2014, and that we've been somewhat "classic" with our track count/organization (ie, no one's sending 100 track 12min opuses with 30 tracks of guitars to sort through)...I think it's safe to say $100/song get it mixed...within the limitations of the month. By the time that Paypal and the IRS takes it's chunk, that's not far removed from min wage. Which is why this isn't really open to lurkers...or any other site...I just wanted to give anyone here the opportunity before the window closes.
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#1307546 - 06/09/14 08:41 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Popmann]
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C Jo Go
EMERITUS ~ VS Roland
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Well, each project is a little different....in terms of time requirements...but, if we make an assumption that it's a Planeteer in long standing, not Lurker2014, and that we've been somewhat "classic" with our track count/organization (ie, no one's sending 100 track 12min opuses with 30 tracks of guitars to sort through)...I think it's safe to say $100/song get it mixed...within the limitations of the month. By the time that Paypal and the IRS takes it's chunk, that's not far removed from min wage. Which is why this isn't really open to lurkers...or any other site...I just wanted to give anyone here the opportunity before the window closes.
Great deal POP ~!! --- If it wouldn't take me weeks to try and figure out how to collect 24 tracks of the VS and 16 tracks of midi stuff .. on to DVD somehow > I would differently take you up on the offer. 
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#1307554 - 06/09/14 11:31 AM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Popmann]
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havlicek
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Well, each project is a little different....in terms of time requirements...but, if we make an assumption that it's a Planeteer in long standing, not Lurker2014, and that we've been somewhat "classic" with our track count/organization (ie, no one's sending 100 track 12min opuses with 30 tracks of guitars to sort through)...I think it's safe to say $100/song get it mixed...within the limitations of the month. By the time that Paypal and the IRS takes it's chunk, that's not far removed from min wage. Which is why this isn't really open to lurkers...or any other site...I just wanted to give anyone here the opportunity before the window closes.
That's a stupid-cheap deal from someone who has proven they can actually mix.
-john
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#1307557 - 06/09/14 12:05 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
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AL
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It's a ripoff to indie artists who won't get the money back.
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#1307572 - 06/09/14 01:48 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: AL]
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havlicek
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It's a ripoff to indie artists who won't get the money back.
A (not surprisingly) stupid remark meant to undermine someone's ability to make a livlihood...which takes it to an even lower level. How much do "indie" artists spend on things like CD duplication and merchandising (T-shirts, pins, bumper stickers etc.), musical and recording equipment in furtherance of their aspirations? Are all of those ripoffs too? For reasons that should be obvious to even AL, having the actual music as well done as possible is more important than the others.
Here's a clue that I only offer because it's clear that the entire recording/mixing process is a mystery to Al. Many people can do a decent job of tracking. Getting fairly clean recordings of most instruments and vocals is far less difficult than mixing. Considering what's involved (from initial track organization in Pop's DAW, to supplemental editing...little tidbits he feels need to be cleaned-up and/or otherwise addressed...running a basic static mix with any EQ and effects, and then automation, final rendering and whatever file format conversion he may supply as an end-product (.wav, MP3), conforming the mix to industry standards, $100 is (as I said) stupid cheap. ***All of that doesn't begin to figure ancillary costs like amortization of equipment, time spent for communicating and/or consulting, consumables and possibly even things like paying for any web services related to the work.
***Whether or not it's "worth it" for any one person is besides the point. That person could be (for example) a tone deaf dork living in fantasy land who hasn't a snowball's chance in hell as an artist, but that's neither here nor there.
By calling Pop's work...and the little he's charging a ripoff, you're not only screwing with his "wallet", which is amazingly uncool, even for a complete dick like you Al, you're also jumping in to a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with you to insult him. ***This from a guy that feels insulted by Chimp simply mentioning the fact that you feel the need to say this or that sucks all the time (and that people have lousy taste as in the Pat Benatar, Journey and Styx threads).
Again, why you are "tolerated" here is a mystery.
-john
PS, there is also such a thing as paying for the value of the person's work. When someone spends a lot of time perfecting a craft...mixing, carpentry, dog grooming, cooking, that in and of itself is part of what that person's services are "worth". Pop has a track record that, at least here, people are aware of. For all these reasons a mix by Al (such as your "joke" offer) would have less than zero value. A "complimentary guitar solo" would put it's value even lower.
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#1307597 - 06/09/14 03:46 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: havlicek]
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Popmann
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This is another example of how little AL knows about how anything works in the music biz....and how frankly...is the combination of ignorance AND low IQ--fucking idiot? It that the scientific term for that combo?
He's not wrong that 99.9% of all music label or otherwise ends up with boxes of CDs in warehouses or attics respective to which way it's financed. Except he doesn't know that about label releases. He thinks that's an indie "issue". You know-labels were horrible and useless, not that I have any idea what they do. Sad and unfortunately typical.
I have tried before to have discussions about how we make this work going forward--production of a record costs money. Period. If we, as a community, can't figure out how to recoup min wage....when we'd rather sink hundreds into drum software and upgrades than drummers...we truly will wind up in an amateur only music world. Which has been your goal all along, AL--Everytime we've engaged about ANY way for indie artists to make money, you've shit all over the principle. So, much so that I've simply stopped. You've shown your true colors. You don't dislike me....you dislike the mingling of commerce with music....you live a world of delusion that the music you hold so dear wasn't the direct result of that. You're not interested in how we as musicians move into this new reality...you're an anarchist who just wants amateur hour, where your brand of garbage is better tolerated.
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#1307607 - 06/09/14 04:31 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Popmann]
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Tao Jones
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Well here's how it works with me if I have you do one song I would have you do the whole album so it all goes together well. 12 songs would then be $1200. for that money I could buy other gear that would make my next albums and this album better. You are trying to appeal to a crowd of do it yourself types. We went down this road to figure how we could have freedom to do these things without worrying so much about the cost.
Home recording type of people are by nature always trying to cut out extra people that cost. Your services would work very well for people who don't want to record themselves. Therefore a home studio taking artists from the ground up is still somewhat viable, but selling services to people who already have home Studios is a much harder lift.
The one time I went to an outside studio to try to mix one of my albums, after a couple days I realized my money would be better spent buying some of the tools I saw him using on my music. I also realized I would keep asking for changes that would make him have to work much longer than he should for the money he quoted as a price for song. You say $100 per song now, but you have never worked with me on something like this enough to realize I could send things back 10 or 20 times until I got what I thought was right and that would be way too much to ask you to do for $100.
My tendency would be to do what I did with this other guy: pay you for the song and say thank you before you spend too much time on it and then go and remix it myself rather than drive you crazy.
To use your talents to their fullest I think $100 per song is much too little compared to what I would probably have you do so I don't even want to start. If I were a richer man things would be much different, but almost by definition we home recording types are not that rich and are willing to do the work ourselves to save the money.
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#1307609 - 06/09/14 04:35 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Tao Jones]
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Tao Jones
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This guy is a very talented engineer with a very good studio and he was asking $100 per song too, but I know he was probably used to spending less time on a song than what I was going to need for me to like the end result. And I wasn't going to hold him to his $100 offer when I knew I would be making him work way too many hours for that price.
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#1307610 - 06/09/14 04:46 PM
Re: Mix fire sale
[Re: Tao Jones]
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ulank
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Tough for a poor musician to make money off poor musicians.
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