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#1411929 - 08/21/15 02:42 PM life after the roland VS - pres, mixer, interface
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I finally am going beyond my roland vs-1880. its served me well.

I want a mixer type interface that will take my pres ive been using then in through at least 4 ins through good mixer controls then through good opamp etc ad/da conversion and out 4 discrete cahnnels firewire or usb into my pc running reaper.


I don't want to spend more than 500.00 right now.


used digi 003 ? rme ? any suggestions ?


Ryan, on here for at least 10 years

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#1411947 - 08/21/15 04:09 PM Re: life after the roland VS - pres, mixer, interface [Re: TreeDragon7]
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Why a hardware mixer? Why not just go directly into a pc interface, then use its software mixer (if you must) and a direct software connection to Reaper? To each his own, I guess... just wondering.

Since all of your preamps (as you've described in another thread) have only analog outputs, you would want an interface that has analog inputs.

Two of the (apparently) most favored interfaces I've ever heard about are the Lynx and RME, but you'll have to be pretty patient to find either one in a usb or firwire form and at a $500 or less pricepoint. It can be done on the used market, but maybe not to easily. I have enough experience with RME to be very confident in both their quality and reliability. I nearly bought into Lynx some years ago, but couldn't find a version that could deliver the higher channel counts I wanted.

Next to those, the best I've personally tried are M-Audio - the FW410 (or 610) for instance. Those can be had on the used market pretty cheaply today. The biggest drawback with those I mentioned are the occasional and random dropping of the firewire drivers... M-Audio has had a history of problematic drivers, but when they hold the units are really good and well-built hardware.

Another good used firewire unit is a model by MOTU - the 828 is one. Although I have no personal experience with them, I've always heard good things about them.

I guess you're actually hoping for first-hand usage suggestions, so I'll stop there. There are plenty of other brands to choose from that have good reputations and good used prices.

If it were me looking and I wanted used and older technology to get the best bang for my buck, I'd probably lean more toward firewire, since you have it. I believe it's only more recently that USB devices have really come into their own for channel count and reliability, so those would likely tend to cost more.

M-Audio has had some FW/mixer/interfaces as has Presonus (maybe others), but I can't speak to the quality or reliability of those.


Edited by uptildawn (08/21/15 04:11 PM)
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#1411950 - 08/21/15 05:00 PM Re: life after the roland VS - pres, mixer, interface [Re: uptildawn]
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I like having faders and knobs. the VS got me hooked.

I used to have an RME but it was stolen. expensive but good.

Ive debated whether any of the usb bound condenser mics direct into my pc laptop would have enough gain and bitage etc.

I only need 4 channels really.

I don't mind used gear. almost prefer it .

who knows I might just stay with my vs-1880 for a few more years or until I put out a full album

thanks, Ryan

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#1411963 - 08/21/15 06:21 PM Re: life after the roland VS - pres, mixer, interface [Re: TreeDragon7]
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The only reason I question the use of a mixer is because you are trying to reduce your noise floor as much as possible - a mixer only adds another layer of noise to the equation.
Maybe you could consider using a Mackie or Behringer controller surface as a mixer. This would not introduce any sort of noise at all, since there are no preamps in it - it would just be a way of controlling your software.

Not having the need for, or relying on a control surface, I can't speak to what works with what, but from the discussions I read on the SAWStudio forum, it appears to be a very real alternative for the soundguys who prefer to mix their live audio via faders and knobs.

Something to look into....
Maybe the VS as a control surface is something worth considering as far as that goes. You might still use that for midi control of mix functions, but use a computer interface and your preamps for the audio path.
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#1412133 - 08/22/15 12:48 PM Re: life after the roland VS - pres, mixer, interface [Re: TreeDragon7]
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 Originally Posted By: TreeDragon7
I like having faders and knobs. the VS got me hooked.

usb bound condenser mics direct into my pc laptop would have enough gain and bitage etc.

I only need 4 channels.

I might just stay with my vs-1880 for a few more years or until I put out a full album.

thanks, Ryan



I perfer a real board to a virtual board, too. Which is why I have a couple of VS 890s.

USB mics suck ( a hum) although I have friends who disagree.

The VS units-and it seems all of these type recorders and interfaces- falter in the areas of pre-amps. Putting a small Mackie mixer on the front in is the cheapest and most common solution.

I have suggested this so often here that some might suspect I work for the company but I am going to recommend the Zoom R8 (with a preamp).

The Zoom R8 is simple, brilliant and elegant. It's a wav recorder/interface which your pc sees as a hard drive. This means you won't have to deal with getting your files off (like the VS).

Since you mentioned buying used equipment, I caution you: The VS units are big and sturdy. In contrast, the weak link in the Zoom series-as in so many devices today-is the (USB) connection. Once that gets bent, the only way to move files is by manually removing the drive.

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#1412134 - 08/22/15 12:48 PM Re: life after the roland VS - pres, mixer, interface [Re: Slabraton]
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#1412137 - 08/22/15 12:57 PM Re: life after the roland VS - pres, mixer, interface [Re: Slabraton]
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After re-reading your original post, I am recommending the Zoom R24 which will give you the flexibility you need.

The Zoom R16 was the first of the series to be released, then the R24, then the R8. If you have the coin, get the R24 and if not, get the R8.

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#1412887 - 08/24/15 05:47 PM Re: life after the roland VS - pres, mixer, interface [Re: Slabraton]
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usb bound condenser mics direct into my pc laptop would have enough gain and bitage etc ?


I meant the above as a question ? I know it would reduce circuit paths and thus noise if good enough.

I know I will keep my vs around. its just a very good unit

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