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#1517203 - 01/31/17 09:59 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: dkfackler]
muzikalgeeneeyus Offline
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Hi, its powered from the 2480 so no external power is needed. I think its there for other devices that don't supply power via SCSI.

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#1517210 - 01/31/17 10:42 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: mobofsquirrels]
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Its mainly for when a drive has been used by another device and roland recommends doing it for a drive being used for the first time.

"Physical Format" for instance will help to absolutely eliminate any lingering data coruption that might be left on a drive that has been used elsewhere.

"Surface scan" meanwhile, scans the drive testing for "bad sectors" which are usually there from manufacturing. The more a drive is used, the chances of those "bad sectors" increasing are higher. Any data stored in those sectors can become corupt or lost due to this.

Its worth doing these procedures from time to time to check the state of the drive, especially if they are being used heavily. From what I know, Physical Format is not generally harmful to SSDs like SD cards, and like with conventional HDs should only be done once in a while to check the disk for errors etc, especially when transferred from/being used previously with another device.

Glad you're all sorted. Happy Recording Planeteers
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#1517372 - 01/31/17 04:33 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: muzikalgeeneeyus]
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 Originally Posted By: muzikalgeeneeyus
Hi, its powered from the 2480 so no exteranl power is used. I think its there for other devices that don't supply power via SCSI.



Great. Thanks.

DK

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#1517455 - 02/01/17 01:21 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: WinyardPro]
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 Originally Posted By: WinyardPro


Also, being privy to loads of tests on VirDIS-1 I'm aware of the VS2480's picky nature and things can seem fine for a while and then it fails.

I'm aware of Bill's constant development of VirDIS and it's very stable.



Any idea why we have to enter the DEVICE MANAGER -- disable to VIRDIS and then enable once again -- for the VS and vDIS to work ?? Thats a work around Bill has given us ... works == just another few steps ... no biggie /\ I guess.
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#1519126 - 02/09/17 05:34 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: C Jo Go]
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So is the VS wave converter needed or not?

Nibbler - in your initial post you said you tried CF to IDE. What type of controller did you use?

Thanks,

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#1519146 - 02/09/17 06:48 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: canefire]
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VSWE is required to rip the RDAC files into *.wav format on PC.
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#1519234 - 02/10/17 08:16 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: StyleJunkie]
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Thanks Style Junkie.
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#1519287 - 02/10/17 02:02 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: muzikalgeeneeyus]
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Just and update on the SCSI2SD.

If anyone is in the UK and needs an enclosure/case for their SCSI2SD, then you can get one printed from Print-3DUKs hub at 3D Hubs .

It cost me just under £10 including P&P, to get a 3D print of the case from them using the the OPs design here: SCSI2SD External Enclosure .

Just download the design, upload it to 3D Hubs, choose "general purpose plastics" and find Print-3DUKs hub and just order the print, and ask them to print it as transparent as possible. The contact is Taylor. Their based in Leicester, so you might need to use that in the search so you don't have to go through pages just to find them.

They make a very good print, it might need some adjusting/filing on the connector end, overall it does what it does, protect your SCSI2SD, nicely.

Thanks to NibblerNibbles for creating and sharing his design, its most appreciated Mate.

Happy Recording Planeteers

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#1522227 - 03/04/17 01:37 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: EnzymeX]
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 Originally Posted By: EnzymeX
Hi all. Do any of you know if this SCSI to SD solution is exclusively for the VS-2480? I have a VS-890 and I'm curious if SCSI2SD design can be used by other VS models.


I just got this thing. It's working right out of the box on the VS-880 VXpanded right now. This VS has a CF/SD card upgrade as well.

Both storage devices survive a machine restart without reinitializing the cards.

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#1522605 - 03/08/17 01:19 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: dkfackler]
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Bought mine LOADS a time ago used. Today, I wanted to get it running. The Flash seemed corrupted so I tried to flash another firmware. It seems as if the Windows 64bit version does not run properly - I was not able to flash the firmware. Whe just thinking of throwing everyting away, I tried the 32bit version and voila...

Tired to playback a some-twenty-track-song and it worked nice. I assume that it will work with the smaller machines if you set it up as a right disk size. I'm gonna try that (whenever I finde the time). If I had read this post (i.e. remembered it), I would not have spoiled a SCSI enclosure to hold the SD card :-(
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#1522617 - 03/08/17 05:12 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: Dr. Altsack aka Volltreffer]
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It's not a bad thing to have an external scsi mod on hand, you know. I don't think it was a waste to do at all.
The external is read differently by the windows pc than the internal mod (for reasons I don't recall and can't explain). Personally, I prefer the external.
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#1522641 - 03/09/17 04:04 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: uptildawn]
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It feels kinda strange though, to have an external 5.25 enclosure containing just a tiny PCB with a micro SD ;\)

Oh, what I forgot to tell: I used the PCB version 5, which has the 4.6 firmware on it. The 64bit issues may or may not happen with the actual v6!

P.S.: at least I can store ZILLIONS of micro sd cards in the enclosure ;\)


Edited by Dr. Altsack aka Volltreffer (03/09/17 04:05 AM)
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#1545321 - 09/22/17 03:57 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: Dr. Altsack aka Volltreffer]
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Nevermind, I figured it out!


Edited by mobofsquirrels (09/25/17 09:23 PM)

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#1546876 - 10/08/17 10:31 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: mobofsquirrels]
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I'm stuck. Every time I try to format the the sd card card I get an "Operation Failed" message. Help?
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#1546884 - 10/09/17 01:15 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: Cantsleep]
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Cancel that. It's working. Didn't have the SD card all the way in. But....I tried to perform a track export to the SD card and got "NO CD-R Drive Detected". I really wanted this for WAV file transfers. Is there a way to do this?


Edited by Cantsleep (10/09/17 01:23 AM)

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#1546887 - 10/09/17 06:44 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: Cantsleep]
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I think that operation works with CD drive only. IIRC, it won't export tracks to external SCSI either.

From page 356 of the 2480 OM:

"If you want to move audio from a project to an external device—such as a computer or sampler—that reads .WAV files, you can export any track or phrase as a .WAV file. The exported audio is written onto a data CD."

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#1546888 - 10/09/17 07:15 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: Cantsleep]
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 Originally Posted By: Cantsleep
Cancel that. It's working. Didn't have the SD card all the way in. But....I tried to perform a track export to the SD card and got "NO CD-R Drive Detected". I really wanted this for WAV file transfers. Is there a way to do this?


Read through the earlier posts in this thread and look at the other threads that discuss how .wav file transfers (actually extraction) is accomplished using an SD card. as dk said, the VS won't export .wav files from it to an SD card.

But, the VS file system on the SD card can be read by certain programs/utilities on a PC and .wav files can be extracted through the use of those tools - and that is how everyone here does it, because it's the only way devised.
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#1546893 - 10/09/17 09:01 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: uptildawn]
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Just a suggestion. This is why I made a post in a different topic about using an external digital recorder that has an sd card reader built in.
So many VS users are fumbling around with conversion. We all just want a few things. In my estimation...
1) stable storage (HDD or SSD) internally
2) easy conversion to .wav for export
3) quality sound capture.

Quality sound capture is such a personal topic. Some live in 24bit 96K while others are happy with other combinations. So I will not dwell on this topic.
However, it seems to me that the easiest and least expensive thing to do regarding conversion is to attach some form of digital recorder to an output of your VS (be it digital or analog).
There are so many high quality small form factor recorders. I have tried three different types. Some larger and some small. Some handheld recorders have 24bit 96khz capability. I notice no loss in sound. I load my Olympus LS20M with a 16 or 32 gig sd card and just record every mix or run through that I play.
If you are concerned about audio quality loss ( which has not happened for me) then you can use a recorder that has a digital input and connect that to the VS. In my experience, using the analog out versus the spdif out or the adat the digital will sound louder and clearer with less noise. However using the analog out with compression and the other mastering tricks can give you a great take as well without the noise.
Cheers,
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Edited by I_CaneFire (10/09/17 04:27 PM)

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#1546923 - 10/09/17 11:33 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: I_CaneFire]
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This effort has been to acquire the multi-track regions of audio for transfer to a PC (and in some cases, to transfer back to the VS). It really has little to do with obtaining high quality mixes of projects completed within the confines of the VS unit - which can be obtained (one way at least) as you suggest Ian.

One other and for many a primary reason for these conversion mods, Ian, has been to reduce the ambient noise of the VS' internal hard drive. That certainly is a legitimate and important reason for someone to pursue the mod, regardless of what they intend to do with the recordings.
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#1546934 - 10/09/17 01:20 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: Cantsleep]
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 Originally Posted By: Cantsleep
Cancel that. It's working. Didn't have the SD card all the way in. But....I tried to perform a track export to the SD card and got "NO CD-R Drive Detected". I really wanted this for WAV file transfers. Is there a way to do this?


I copy files from the VS HD to the SD card, then I use VSWE to convert the VS files to .wav. It works perfectly and is faster than burning backup disks.

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#1546958 - 10/09/17 04:27 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: mobofsquirrels]
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gotcha.
Cheers,
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#1554902 - 12/18/17 08:18 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: I_CaneFire]
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Wonder if anyone got SCSI2SD v6 to work with the VS? And if the higher transfer speed can overcome the 96k M24 limit that the v5 has.
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#1554905 - 12/18/17 09:55 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: Bran]
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Nothing in the way of higher card speeds has anything to do at all with the 96k/M24 limits of the VS' internal processing specs.

If you want/need higher sample and bit rates, you need to find a different platform for recording.
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#1554906 - 12/18/17 10:03 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: uptildawn]
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I'm aware that the VS can only do limited channels for different sampling rates due to the internal specs. But in this case I thought it was the speed of the v5 that has bottleneck on the 96/24? The VS can and suppose to do up to 8 tracks at 96/24.

"I can record direct to a 16gb card at 24bit 44.1khz MTP 16 channels at once, and it is stable at about 50% of its max data rate. It falls over at 6 channels of 96khz M24 which is about 1.6Mb/sec, so it can't quite push the VS to its limits. Good enough for me though."

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#1554909 - 12/18/17 11:24 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: Bran]
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I see where you're coming from now......

Those limits can be enhanced, if Roland desired to make the machines compatible with newer technology - cards, readers, etc. But it will never get past those sample and bit rate limits without a major overhaul to the guts.
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#1629707 - 09/20/19 05:33 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: Bran]
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 Originally Posted By: Bran
I'm aware that the VS can only do limited channels for different sampling rates due to the internal specs. But in this case I thought it was the speed of the v5 that has bottleneck on the 96/24? The VS can and suppose to do up to 8 tracks at 96/24.

"I can record direct to a 16gb card at 24bit 44.1khz MTP 16 channels at once, and it is stable at about 50% of its max data rate. It falls over at 6 channels of 96khz M24 which is about 1.6Mb/sec, so it can't quite push the VS to its limits. Good enough for me though."


Yes, the V6 should in theory allow you to overcome the limitations of the V5. In other words, it should be able to transfer all 8 tracks at 24/96 and not max out at 6.

I will be buying a V6 soon, preferably used.
Has anyone got a V6 working with the 2480CD ?

Thanks
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#1646301 - 03/02/20 10:54 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: RickD]
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Hi Everyone,
I purchased a SCSI2SD card (v5.1) from ITEAD and the 50pin female to DB25 adapter. It's the thin green card that uses micro-SD.
I just read this thread fully and it seems to lack some details. I updated the firmware to 4.8.

1)
A)Should this device be able to show up on the VS2480 as SCSI 0, SCSI 1, SCSI2 and SCSI 3 with 2 Gig partitions? I got a message that the byte size was needed. Mind you I had added all of that info.

B)Am I supposed to Save then do the change. Or just make the changes on each page and then change the cards default?

C)Do I have to mess with the Termination?

2) I bought a 32 gig sd card and I have not been able to get the SCSI 0 partition to be larger than 2 gig. I read the info on page 2 of this thread about how to get it done and I was unable to find success. Can someone assist with details?

3) Speaking of details, on the "General Settings" page in the software Utility screen what options should I choose? I tried the time change to 50 as suggested and the card will not boot up with my 2480 if plugged in before hand. I have to plug the card in once the machine has been started. Please fill in and tell me what you have checked for...


Enable SCSI terminator (v.5.1 only)
SCSI Host SPeed (Normal) or (Slow)
Startup Delay (seconds)
SCSI Selections Delay (ms, 255 = auto)
Enable parity
Enable Unit attention
Enable glitch filter
Disable disk cache (experimental)
Enable SCSI Disconnect
Respond o short SCSI selection pulses
Map LUNS to SCSI IDs

Is the VSWE online? I gather I will need that and I am not sure where my CD is that came with one of my VS units.
I will gladly make a detailed video of this process if you all can help me get it sorted.
Thanks,
Ian

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#1646411 - 03/02/20 09:23 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: I_CaneFire]
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Hi All,
I figured it out and made a video. https://youtu.be/Q00U9E4BvGI

youtube

I am rather happy with this now that it is working and the SCSI partitions are larger.

The video also shows that I use a Zoom LiveTrak L-12. The Zoom LiveTrak uses an SD card and you can save individual tracks as WAV as well as, of course, stereo paired tracks. It works wonderfully and makes exporting tracks to a computer or to customers super easy.

Now I just need to get VSWE (VS wave Export). If I ever need to use it.

Cheers,
Ian


Edited by I_CaneFire (03/05/20 08:13 AM)

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#1646709 - 03/05/20 06:54 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: I_CaneFire]
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There are 3d print files for a case here:

https://www.yeggi.com/q/scsi2sd+v6+case/

My son printed one for me-- it was the microSD version and took a tiny bit of trimming, but works fine

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#1648446 - 03/16/20 02:46 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: dkfackler]
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HI ALl,
JUst wanted to say that the SCSI2sd had a bit of unreliability for me. I did a back up to am sd card. It takes a long time by the way. Then I plugged the SCSI2sd apparatus into my other VS to try to take the file from one unit to another.

The card could not be read. However the really big problem is that the sd card is no longer working. In either VS2480. SO now that micr sd card and adapter combo that I bought for $24.00 is useless. I purchased another microsd online and I am waiting for it to arrive. At a much lower price.

Funny how it doesn't bug me to drop US$1000.00 on a mic pre, but getting burned by a $24 sd card makes me very unhappy.

Back on subject. The VS2480 says "failure" when I try to use the card. I went through the whole process again of formatting and the VS still will say "failure" at the end of the format.

So I will experiment again and see if it can work. Mind you the tracks are still in my SSD and the VS is working. SO I have not lost anything but time and the sd money.
Thanks,
IAn

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#1648713 - 03/18/20 07:28 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: I_CaneFire]
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Bought a new sd card and the VS is still not working with the SCSI2SD. At least it is not working with my version 2.505 unit.
The utility software on the laptop works and I was able to save the the changes to the scsi2sd. However my VS will not show the gig partitions or work format the sd card.

Thanks,
Ian

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#1649397 - 03/22/20 12:20 PM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: I_CaneFire]
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.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReplyToMessages&questionId=2045576957017&itemId=264662194233&CurrentPage=ReplyToMessages&receiverId=scsi-connector&x=y
only available from aussie land which i cannot understand is it the real deal
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#1649549 - 03/23/20 09:55 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: unit5]
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What is this post?
Ian

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#1649663 - 03/24/20 08:25 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: I_CaneFire]
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i have seen an scsi to SD card interface on ebay from aussie land just wondered if it was pukka it just seems strange no one in usa or uk is producing to same thing i have seen how to build one but the aussie one is a great price can any one give me an answer
Roland VS 2480 VS 880 SCSI2sd Virtual HardDrive 16gb SD card - SCSI to SD board
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#1649667 - 03/24/20 08:41 AM Re: SD card working with VS2480 and SCSI2SD [Re: NibblerNibbles]
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i have seen an scsi to SD card interface on ebay from aussie land just wondered if it was pukka it just seems strange no one in usa or uk is producing to same thing i have seen how to build one but the aussie one is a great price can any one give me an answer
Roland VS 2480 VS 880 SCSI2sd Virtual HardDrive 16gb SD card - SCSI to SD board
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