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#1446591 - 02/05/16 02:07 PM persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
Alvaro Offline
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so here is what im working with:

1 x personus v-fire
1 x roland vs2480
1x iMac 2011 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5
20 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
AMD Radeon HD 6750M 512 MB
10.11.3 (15D21)

ok here it goes:

i installed the drivers from the Vfire CD and the machine it shows up in the Vfire control panel.

i also installed the personus universal control drivers from here
http://www.presonus.com/support/downloads/FireStudio-Lightpipe
so that FireStudio shows up in the input and audio devices of the OS X.

in the vs 2480 i see the input, in mix, track mixer on 16 just fine as well as the output r-bus2 number 8 signal advising that the sound is goingthru accordingly. input 16 is where i have my iPod playing some songs.

in Logic X i make a new project, preference input device is set to fire studio(44.8khz in all devices). i arm a new track with input 16 set and low and behold all i get is static noise in logic.

this is where i am stuck.

please help

here are some screenshots
http://postimg.org/gallery/1319ltdka/
http://postimg.org/gallery/14wsptjhm/

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#1446628 - 02/05/16 04:17 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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The V-Fire isn't supported on any Mac system later than OSX 10.4.11

Sorry.

I've been after Presonus to release the source code for the driver, but they "can't release the code as R-Bus was a collaborative effort between Presonus and Roland."

I don't know whether it's worth approaching Roland and 'encouraging' them to agree with Presonus and release the source. SOMEONE here could make this work.

As for now, because Presonus has orphaned this unit, I've sworn off Presonus hardware until this is remedied.

DK

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#1446733 - 02/06/16 08:45 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: dkfackler]
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Same here ! Ive got a useless v-fire never used in my attic.
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#1446788 - 02/06/16 12:34 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: frankielane]
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It would be easier to just load up and old XP PC laptop or desktop with firewire and run it with your VFire.
Some have gotten the macs that run an XP mode to work with VS and connected gear.
Good luck
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#1447299 - 02/08/16 01:16 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Frank Griffith]
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good news everyone......... the past couple of days i have been banging my head against the wall trying to get the vs2480 to work with my iMac el capitan, i gave up on that and went through the windows xp route but i could not get al the necessary drivers for my model iMac, oh well of to windows 7 64 bit..... oops 64 bit won't see the vfire (im going to put a hit on roland i though to myself lol) ok lets instal windows 7 32 bit and get that sweet windows xp mode on it and bam it worked im getting all 16 sweet channels of goodness into the computer.

I perform almost 99% of my computing work in OS X and this whole thing of switching between OS's was a little pebble i had to deal in my shoe until a miracle happens.....

guess what?!?!?!?!?!?!

i booted my OS X to do some work and said what the heck lets give it a last shot, ill whip out the anointment oil and the magic wand before i turn on the iMac....

opened vfire panel, fixed my aggregate device device settings boot it up cakewalk 6 ai this time did my whole frequency thing an set up the routers and blah blah

ITS WORKING ON OSX EL CAPITAN!!!!!!!!!

i am never ever ever ever ever ever turning my computer off lol.

i will try to make a video soon after a clean the mess i have in my office from the countless nights of contemplating the destruction of this v-fire box.

\:\) \:\) \:\) \:\) \:\) \:\) \:\)

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#1447312 - 02/08/16 01:52 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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OK, "good news everyone" x 4, it happens to many of us here,LOL.
Glad you got it all figured out and working.
You might want to write down all the settings and info that worked for you and post it here so others have a guide on how to do this as well with Mac etc.
Congratts!
Frank


Edited by Frank Griffith (02/08/16 01:53 PM)
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#1447713 - 02/09/16 09:33 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Frank Griffith]
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Alvaro!

I'm definitely interested in seeing what you did to make this work in the later OS X.

Was the Presonus Universal Control necessary?

Are you getting audio IN and OUT via Firewire and the V-Fire, or are your INputs over Firewire and your OUTputs over built-in audio?

What about MIDI? Is that transmitted via Firewire as well?

In any event, your tenacity is appreciated.

Bravo!

dk

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#1447894 - 02/10/16 10:19 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: dkfackler]
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I will try to recreate the whole set up on video. I do have both universal and vfire app installed and its functioning that way (im afraid of unistalling one and for it to stop working). I get 16 ins via rbus (1 &2) and monitor it with the imacs speakers. since im in the process of organizing my gear i have not had time to plug in my monitors and test the outs via rbus to the outputs of the mixer, i kind of set up everything at night when my kids are asleep and clean it all up before they wake up the next day.

I have not messed with MIDI yet.

I will post a link soon

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#1447924 - 02/11/16 06:43 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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What doesn't work for me (under 10.5.8)is the mixer outputs. Input is there, and IIRC, the control surface works with my custom keymap.

I get everything under 10.4.11

I'm curious to see what you find. My suspicion is that Universal Control does nothing. I understand your 'ain't broke, don't fix it' approach.

I'm willing to mess about with it-- I can do it in isolation and not mess my 'working' configuration.

dk

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#1448118 - 02/11/16 05:52 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: dkfackler]
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here is what i promised

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gse550J8nMo

hope it helps. (volume is kind of low sorry about that)

dk you do need the universal control that is the proxy the computer uses to see the v-fire in the input devices, other wise you will have the v-fire panel but nothing will show up in the input section of the DAW or OS.

what i noticed is the key thing that makes this thing work is the ability to disable the System Integrity Protection (SIP) in OS X El Capitan.

cheers, its a wonderful day for VS owners worldwide


Edited by Alvaro (02/11/16 05:55 PM)

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#1448127 - 02/11/16 06:25 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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really sorry for the volume guys. i think im going to fix this and upload another one
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#1448131 - 02/11/16 06:33 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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It will be much appreciated.
Who knows how many folks this will help going forward.
Thanks
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#1448355 - 02/12/16 05:29 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Frank Griffith]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzCtoHGwzVI


finally here it is

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#1448360 - 02/12/16 05:53 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Frank Griffith]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzCtoHGwzVI
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#1448810 - 02/14/16 01:25 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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Alvaro,

Thank you for this.

There is no audio from 4:50-5:34 or so. Sadly, that seems to be when you route the output.

dk

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#1448901 - 02/15/16 09:44 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: dkfackler]
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yes since i used kissed by a rose, youtube said i was under copyright infringement, so i just took the audio part out there. but believe me it works perfectly.
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#1448927 - 02/15/16 11:25 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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 Originally Posted By: Alvaro
yes since i used kissed by a rose, youtube said i was under copyright infringement, so i just took the audio part out there. but believe me it works perfectly.


Ah. I see. Could you outline your steps for connecting the output?

Perhaps you could write the steps, in order, here?

Personally, I do better with lists than videos.

On another front, do you have fader/transport/pan, etc., control through the V-Fire? I do, under OSX 10.4.11. Getting these working under later Systems would be the difference that makes the VS a true control surface, as compared to being an interface.

Thanks for your work.

dk

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#1449319 - 02/17/16 04:42 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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Hi Alvaro .Thats truly a great breakthrough and well done and thanks for sharing. it really opens up big possibilities especially if the 2480 can be successfully set up as a control surface also. I have been trying to do this for the last few weeks and only have had marginal success. Have you tired this and had any luck ?
How do you connect the v-fire to the iMac though?

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#1449320 - 02/17/16 04:50 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: dkfackler]
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Hi dk
Do you have any info on using the 2480 as in depth control surface? I have been trying but only with limited success . I just can't get a grip of the automap business.
I downloaded the s1-24 file from Roland which is supposed to work everything and it appears in logic pro x alright but i was wondering do you have to upload it to the 2480 also ?
Your help would be greatly appreciated thanks.
Frankie.

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#1449718 - 02/19/16 12:02 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: frankielane]
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Frankie:

I didn't load anything into the VS. You can get the transport, faders. etc, working via MIDI, but in my experience, the DAW(in my case REAPER) doesn't run the faders in OS X. With the V-Fire, under OSX 10.4.11, everything works.

The REAPER 'Action List' is programmable for surface/keyboard commands, and that's how my custom keymap was constructed.

There is a REAPER VS control surface .dll for use with Windows which I haven't tried. Maybe it'll get some attention this weekend if the moldering PC under my desk still runs...

Feel free to PM if there's anyhting else you need. It's a bit of a goose-chase, but I've been happy to have it working on my antique Mac.

dk

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#1449720 - 02/19/16 12:37 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: dkfackler]
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Something interesting if you run Macs,
The first run Intel Mac Pros A1186 will boot 10.4
Needs a special install disc though.
(My universal 10.4 install disc wouldn't work)
I've heard that *some* iMac install discs will, however.
Pertinent cards and parts are a little scarce for the 1186,
so I'm still running my old Quicksilver G4

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#1449811 - 02/19/16 06:21 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Smithy]
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I have a 15" MacBook Pro which still has a 10.4 partition. I found the same issue with the 10.4 installer on my quad-core Intel Mac Pro, so cloned the MacBook partion to the Mac Pro and it runs!

End run around the installer...

I still have a G4 tower here, too! Speaks really well to the longevity of this hardware!

dk

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#1449866 - 02/20/16 07:44 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: frankielane]
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thank you. im glad i have not sold the unit or the v-fire all this time. i have not tried using as a controller surface yet. I connect the Vfire via firewire 400 and an adapter firewire 800 to 400.
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#1449870 - 02/20/16 08:38 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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Thanks Alvaro for your detail steps to get Mr.V fire together work with el capitan , is excellent . looking forward to your next discover tech .

Dj

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#1449888 - 02/20/16 11:24 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: dkfackler]
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Yup.
Still have an operational blue and white G3 server.
I'm firmly convinced it will survive even a zombie apocalypse

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#1455604 - 03/18/16 11:18 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Smithy]
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Dont know what I did but I now have my V-Fire sending 16 channels from my 2480 to my Mac Pro running 32 bit Snow Leopard and Logic Pro 9. I also have two Presonus FireStudio Projects in the chain too. The problem that I am having right now is that when I have the V-Fire in the chain, I have no audio going to my studio mains or monitors. As soon as i take the V-fire out of the link then my mains and monitors fire up. I believe that this may have something to do with the midi utility in OS X but not sure. Any one have an idea? Im new to the Mac scene and was in the process of transferring everything over to the Mac but not am able to link so not sure as to what I'm going to do yet. Might keep the Roland and run both.
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#1456388 - 03/21/16 08:25 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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Hi again Alvaro
A question.
Do you re enable SIP after installing the v-fire or do you have to leave it as is to work ?

Thanks
Frankie

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#1461622 - 04/15/16 06:39 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: frankielane]
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Alvaro!!!! No words... Logic Pro X, El Capitan and V-Fire working perfectly. You just changed my work flow massively, THANK YOU!!! Come to London and let me buy you a beer!!
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#1461993 - 04/18/16 11:52 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: LaGuitarrista]
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Hi there Guitarrista
I was wondering if you could help me .
I have only had half success with this in that
I get 16 channels recognised in Logic Pro
But can't get audio going in. I was wondering
Would you help me in outlining the exact settings
In the vs 2480 and or Logic Pro .
I'd really appreciate it
Regards
Frankie

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#1543476 - 08/27/17 11:36 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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Hi Alvaro

Thanks a lot!!!

I tried using a Macbook Pro (Retina, 15-Inch, Late 2015 2,6 GHz i7, Mac OS 10.11.) and an iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, late 2015 4 GHz i7, Mac OS 10.12.6), through a (Belkin) Thunderbolt to Firewire 800 Adapter -----> 800/400 firewire 3m Cable (Lindy)-------> V-fire Presonus.....and It works !!!!! (Reaper 48/96KHz)

Regards

Pietro
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#1543479 - 08/27/17 01:03 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Wavesurfer]
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I'm curious as to what level of control you get with this configuration. Are you able to route audio in both directions through the V-Fire to the VS and to REAPER?

How about transport, MIDI, faders, panning, record arm, solo/mute, etc?

What are you using for V-Fire drivers?

This could be great…

dk

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#1543585 - 08/28/17 04:32 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: dkfackler]
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HI dk

I'm able to record Reaper tracks in the VS-2480 and vice-versa (WOW!)

VS 2480 can send and receive transport commands ( I used MTC through RBUS connection): if VS 2480 is the Master the synchronism seems good, if VS 2480 is the slave there is a lag (2 seconds) when I press stop on Reaper. (Sorry I'm not an expert maybe there is some set up that don't know).

I never used the VS 2480 as a Control Surface (Now I will start to dig into VS2480 and Reaper manuals)

Driver: I followed Alvaro's "recipe": disable SIP on Mac OS (http://www.macworld.com/article/2986118/security/how-to-modify-system-integrity-protection-in-el-capitan.html),
install last V-Fire driver (1.0.98),
install latest driver for Presonus Firewire "stuff" (Universal Control 1.7.4.5),
enable SIP on MAC OS .

Reaper names I/O hardware "Firestudio" and sees 16 RBUS Channels (8 for RBUS 1 and 8 for RBUS2) + 1 midi I/O for each RBUS connection

I hope this helps

Regards

Pietro
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#1543620 - 08/29/17 07:02 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Wavesurfer]
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Thanks. I'll try it.

So you are able to record via the 2480 inputs and route output through the 2480 to monitors/cans ? That's where the later-than-10.4.11 OS falls down.

My older system works fine, so this will be pursued mainly out of curiosity and against the day that the old system goes down permanently. Sadly, it is inevitable.

Thirty years ago I was offered the principal horn position in the Torino orchestra. I had a new baby at home, so declined the job.

No regrets-- he became a very fine young man!

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#1543627 - 08/29/17 08:49 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: dkfackler]
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Hi dk

NO regrets at all !!!.....But....you missed "gianduja" chocolate and "Zabaione".......

"Teatro Regio" Orchestra or "RAI" Orchestra?

I used only Rbus connections to route audio to and from VS2480, meanwhile monitoring through VS monitor outs. I moved faders and volume variations were recorded back in Reaper....

I haven't used VS for years....but when I saw Alvaro's post....I dug out from dust....and I tried....BTW I used 64 samples at 96 KHz without any "pop"....I tried aggregate device and I had some random soft "pop"....

Decadence is inevitable....maybe Presonus Studiolive32 could be a suitable replacement ....

regards

Pietro

P.S. If you pass through Torino.......


Edited by Wavesurfer (08/29/17 08:56 AM)
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#1543653 - 08/29/17 04:22 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Wavesurfer]
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I've kind of sworn off Presonus as they orphaned the V-Fire. It was a niche market device, but you'd think the source code could be provided(with agreement from our Roland friends-- it was a collaboration) for some bright mind at the Planet to make work.

I am interested in getting this working on a later Mac OS, though.

Ciao!

dk

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#1544295 - 09/07/17 12:39 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: dkfackler]
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hey all just made a video on how to use your VS 2480 as a control surface for Logic Pro

https://youtu.be/3WQHD4u9l2c

cheers

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#1544498 - 09/10/17 09:08 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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Hi Alvaro

Thanks a lot!!!

cheers

Pietro
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#1544506 - 09/10/17 01:07 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Wavesurfer]
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Thank you for this.

Do you get audio in/out through the V-Fire/2480?

One thing: The audio is very faint-- any chance you could boost it a bit?

Thanks,

DK

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#1548486 - 10/25/17 06:01 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: dkfackler]
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I just bought a V-Fire unit and Roland R-Buss cables. I still need the mac and Logic pro, I'm really hoping this will all work. I've been trying to sync Toontracks EZDrummer from my MacBook air to the VS with no luck. This V-Fire,Mac, Logic would be a miracle!
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#1551893 - 11/21/17 11:14 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Cantsleep]
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Thank you! I got the V-Fire up and running in Yosemite on my mid-2009 MacBook Pro without going through any integrity protection disabled (guess Yosemite doesn't have that). Time to make more RBUS cables.
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#1551902 - 11/22/17 07:02 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Bran]
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That is good news, Bran.

Tell me-- are you getting audio in and out thru the V-Fire and VS?

I've been holding off on updating my machine because of the post OSX 10.4.11/V-Fire incompatibilty.

Would you be so kind as to list the drivers/steps required to make this work?

Thanks for all of the V-Fire users here.

DK

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#1552056 - 11/22/17 09:39 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X (Works with OSX Sierra!!!) [Re: dkfackler]
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Hi DK, I followed Alvaro's youtube video and things worked exactly as he has described. I then went ahead with installation on another Mac with Sierra. No problems. However I was rather curious about the V-Fire Control as nothing seem to change when I alter the sampling rate/clock. It seems like the driver was doing nothing. I went on to uninstall it and a "driver not found' came up instead... I then went ahead to delete the app using Cleanapp.

I went on to delete Presonus Universal Control as well and the V-Fire inputs/outputs stop appearing. They are shown as Presonus FireStudio under "Audio MIDI Setup" in "Utilities". I re-enabled integrity protection "csrutil enable" as Alvaro has recommended to disable it previously for these installations in El Capitan. Reinstalled Universal Control, rebooted, connect V-Fire and FireStudio showed up automatically. I don't have to open "Universal Control" under "Applications" for it to work, other than to adjust the latency mode which shows up as options "Low Latency", "Normal", "Safe Mode 1" and "Safe Mode 2". I think these do take effect but I haven't got round to testing them without my ears. They sound darn good already. Upon FireStudio showing up in Audio MIDI Setup, the Sync light will blink Red and Blue. All you have to do is to switch the frequency once for the blink to stop in Blue. The RBUS1 and RBUS2 light does not come on and it is not a problem.

So in effect, I think Universal Control 1.7.4.5 is all you need.
https://www.presonus.com/support/downloads/FireStudio-Lightpipe

V-Fader does work as well, when I downloaded from Roland website the Surface Control package. It shows up as a SI24 and I just pick this as the Surface Control in Logic.

You will need to select Master Clock as R-BUS1 under "Project parameter" in VS2480 Utility, and then route the necessary outputs to R-BUS "Output Assign". Be sure to open the same sampling frequency project in Logic or you will hear either a pitched up or down version than what you have in your VS2480 Project.

I think that is all to it.

I recently just sold my Fireface 800 so I'm glad the VS2480 and V-Fire can act as an interface for now until I buy another. Probably the Discrete 4... I am curious if the VS2480 will sound better with the Antelope word clock. The analog outs from VS2480 definitely sound warmer than the Built-In output of my MacBook Pro, a very slight mid-scoop but definitely noticeable during AB test.

Thanks Alvaro for starting the thread and for sharing.


Edited by Bran (11/22/17 09:44 PM)

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#1552307 - 11/25/17 09:12 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X (Works with OSX Sierra!!!) [Re: Bran]
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Audio midi setup names my V-Fire "Presonus 1394". What is that?
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#1552314 - 11/25/17 10:06 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X (Works with OSX Sierra!!!) [Re: Cantsleep]
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1394 is a firewire designation...... a firewire port is a 1394 port...
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#1552324 - 11/26/17 02:29 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X (Works with OSX Sierra!!!) [Re: uptildawn]
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Thank you.
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#1552347 - 11/26/17 12:37 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X (Works with OSX Sierra!!!) [Re: Bran]
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Thanks, I'll give Alvaro's video another try. He never answered me as to the routing of audio through the VS and V-Fire. As Youtube muted his video due to copyright infringement, it's not really discernible whether or not the audio routes properly.

DK

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#1552605 - 11/28/17 02:00 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X (Works with OSX Sierra!!!) [Re: dkfackler]
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My audio midi setup window does not show any R-BUS inputs. The V-Fire is showing a constant blue light and red RB1. Audio devices shows Presonus 1394 16 in/ 16 out.
Clock source is Word Clock.
Format 44100.0Hz. 8ch-32bit.
I keep trying to get this to look like Alvaro's video but get stuck here.

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#1552654 - 11/29/17 03:29 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X (Works with OSX Sierra!!!) [Re: dkfackler]
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If your V-fire shows up as Presonus FireStudio in the "Audio Devices" window of "Audio Midi Setup" program, you should get all 16 in and 16 out in whatever DAW you are using. It is just choosing the FireStudio interface to use for that DAW. For a less complicated setup, use FireStudio as Inputs but the Mac's built-in output as Outputs. (I can try and talk you thru routing the signal back to the VS for another setup. It took quite a bit of trial and error and learning the VS routing on my side as well.)

As for routing. you can choose to go into "Direct Out" mode on the EZ Routing page on the VS (somewhere in the top right hand corner, it should light up as orange). On the same panel, connect Tracks 1/2, 3/4, etc... 15/16 direct to the RBUS 1 Outputs 1/2 ...7/8, then RBUS 2 1/2...7/8. I choose PreFader (turns to red) right under the Direct out orange button.

Now to enable the signal to go thru the RBUS to the DAW. Go to IN 1-16 above the Master Fader and put all faders to zero by pressing the CLEAR button and CH EDIT button above each channel fader. Next... select TR 1-16 and also set all Faders to zero by pressing CLEAR and the CH EDIT button. Following this enable record on all 16 channels by either clicking the TRACK STATUS till it blinks red or using a shortcut (hold on to the REC button and press each TRACK STATUS)

You should now have 16 Channels getting thru to your DAW!!!

NOW... for sending the output of your DAW to your VS.
I think the default will be V-FIRE RBUS 1/2 to Input Mixer 17/18. (Check this in your EZ routing panel)
Go to IN 17-24 and TR 17-24 and zero the faders 17/18 like before. Then go to EZ routing and connect ANALOG MULTI OUTPUT 7/8 to MON. You should now have audio going to the VS outputs. Go to Page 2/3 of Home Screen and select IN F/P to link channels 17/18 and also pan them left right.
If you select FireStudio as outputs in your OSX System Preference, you should have anything playing in OSX routing to this channel as well.

As a disclaimer, I am very new in this VS2480 with OSX and hence what I found out is what I have meddled with the past week. I do not know if this is the most efficient way or the best method but it works for me. I hope I do not confuse you even further with this.

Alvaro did a great job in getting this started. He also has another youtube that shows you how to use the VS in V.FADER mode as a control surface using the SI-24 model.

All the best!

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#1552655 - 11/29/17 03:32 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X (Works with OSX Sierra!!!) [Re: Cantsleep]
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 Originally Posted By: Cantsleep
My audio midi setup window does not show any R-BUS inputs. The V-Fire is showing a constant blue light and red RB1. Audio devices shows Presonus 1394 16 in/ 16 out.
Clock source is Word Clock.
Format 44100.0Hz. 8ch-32bit.
I keep trying to get this to look like Alvaro's video but get stuck here.


What OS and Setup are you using at the moment?

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#1552686 - 11/29/17 12:57 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X (Works with OSX Sierra!!!) [Re: Bran]
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Hello everybody.
I use roland vs 2480 as a sound card with v-fire via reaper and cubase.
and also as a control surface. it works perfectly.
the install is very simple. just put the driver in the daw (I use the vs2480 and not the si24).
then in the daw just choose presonus v-fire.
and set in option (reaper) ch 1 to 8 and again ch 1 to 8 for both cables Rbus.
for cubase in option choose input 16 tracks.

then in roland vs 2480 set the clock as master.
where Wclock if you have an external converter.

to record live in the daw simply open the console input tracks 1 to 16 of the Roland, then snap the buttons out (right aux) 1 for 1, 2 for 2, 3 for 3. and up to 8 for rbus 1. and for the rbus 2, it is necessary to do the same with the exit aux to (to the left of the buttons). set these sliders to 0db.
then put all the sliders (roland), volume to 0 and the pan in the center.
then, in the daw, activate the rec button.
and record ..

if some of you do not understand my explanations, maybe I can try to send you pictures
good luck ,
Luco

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#1553124 - 12/02/17 02:25 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X (Works with OSX Sierra!!!) [Re: luco]
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Hey Luco, what platform and OS are you on for the V-Fire? OSX Sierra doesn't allow me to select the clocking. It's default to V-Fire and the option is not given in Audio Midi Setup and Universal Control.

I've been reading up on word clocks and seems that the recommendation is to select clock master on the device performing AD conversion, which in this case is the VS.

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/does-your-studio-need-digital-master-clock

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#1553498 - 12/06/17 01:51 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X (Works with OSX Sierra!!!) [Re: Bran]
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Finally all is working but I only seem to get two tracks to Logic pro from the VS.
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#1553506 - 12/06/17 07:00 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X (Works with OSX Sierra!!!) [Re: Cantsleep]
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You can turn on "Direct Out" mode and route Input 1-8, 9-16 to RBUS 1-8, 9-16. This way you will see corresponding channels 1-16 on your DAW.
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#1555021 - 12/19/17 07:20 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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hello everyone,

just a quick update on the Vfire install, disabling SIP is not necessary. I also made a new video of how to use the unit as a control surface for Logic in case someone needs it.

Cheers.

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#1555022 - 12/19/17 07:24 PM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Alvaro]
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Hi Alvaro, can you confirm if V-Fire Control actually does anything?
I can't change the clocking source. Not from Presonus Universal Control either.

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#1557413 - 01/11/18 04:51 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Bran]
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It's all working (Thank you Alvaro). 16 tracks from the VS to Logic. Now I need to get Logic to send to the VS. Anyone done this?
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#1569899 - 04/26/18 12:05 AM Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X [Re: Cantsleep]
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Damn! I had to buy a new used iMac -El Capitan 10.11.5. I hope the Presonus universal control is all I need because the driver is no longer available from Presonus.


Edited by Cantsleep (05/01/18 01:17 PM)

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