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#1455824 - 03/19/16 08:53 AM Roland vs-1680 to Presonus firestudio 26x26
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Hi all . I just got my Roland VS-1680 back out and I am trying to link it to my Presonus firestudio 26x26 via optical . I am trying to output from the roland and receive in the presonus .I have tried a few different toslink cables so a bad cable is not the issue. Both machines are set for 48 kz . I think I have the presonus set for master properly. What I am trying to accomplish is keeping all my xlr inputs free on the Presonus. Sorry for any wrong terminology , Newbie here :-) Btw the vs-1680 plays songs properly through the normal outputs .
I forgot how good the guitar effects sounded in the roland .Nice surprise !
Thanks for any help.

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#1455862 - 03/19/16 10:52 AM Re: Roland vs-1680 to Presonus firestudio 26x26 [Re: amarsh64]
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What info are you seeing at the 1680 side? Are you seeing anything about digital lock?

You might follow the VS manual instructions. They're pretty straightforward on this. There really shouldn't be much mystery.

Sorry to not have much more to say at the moment. Good luck.
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#1455887 - 03/19/16 11:58 AM Re: Roland vs-1680 to Presonus firestudio 26x26 [Re: uptildawn]
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"I think I have the presonus set for master properly."

If you are trying to OUTPUT from the 1680 to the presonus, shouldn't it be SLAVE not master?

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#1455937 - 03/19/16 02:33 PM Re: Roland vs-1680 to Presonus firestudio 26x26 [Re: bear]
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I will try setting the presonus to slave .I would have thought opposite but hey , that's why I am posting here . I did do a lot of reading on the digital in's and out's here and elsewhere but I couldn't find my particular scenario. I have followed the manual . It always has the midi hooked up as well as the digital cable and set a particular way between 2 vs machines . I would have thought that I would not need the midi connections because all I want to do is send a live signal of me playing guitar through the VS and pick it up in the digital in of the presonus . This could very well be a wrong setting in the software of the presonus .I will keep at it !
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#1455952 - 03/19/16 04:14 PM Re: Roland vs-1680 to Presonus firestudio 26x26 [Re: amarsh64]
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After tinkering with my 1680 hooked up to an SB Audigy in a Windows 7 pc, I'm thinking that your issue isn't with master/slave settings in the presonus. Rather, the problem probably lies with your computer settings - what presonus are you using?... what is your presonus is connected to and what operating system are you using?

In my case, Audigy installed on Win7 32 bit operating system...
The Audigy depends completely on the Windows Mixer Applet and everything is routed through the Windows Mixer and dependent on its settings at all times, no matter what software I use to record.

If your case is similar, be sure to go into the Windows Mixer applet and muck around with the Playback Devices, Speakers, Levels and be sure to unmute your SPDIF input and turn up its volume control. Also, be sure that your Recording Devices, SPDIF In is currently available - if not, you'll need to make it so. Also, be sure that your Playback Devices, Speakers shows the Presonus as the default device.

Personally, I hope your situation is not dependent on the Windows Mixer - it's a PITA, compared to that of a dedicated soundcard device. It's so much easier for me to set up my RME sound on the studio pc than it is this Windows Mixer...





Edited by uptildawn (03/19/16 04:17 PM)
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#1455992 - 03/19/16 06:20 PM Re: Roland vs-1680 to Presonus firestudio 26x26 [Re: uptildawn]
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My presonus is a rackmount firestudio 26x26 . It is connected to the pc with a firewire card that I bought that the presonus manual said was compatible . The operating system is windows xp pro 32 bit . A little old but should work fine .(another windows 7 buy is not in the cards right now as far as toys budget goes ) This presonus unit seems to work stand alone without the pc once you have the settings right in the presonus mixer /routing software . The digital part is the only hiccup so far. I will try the windows settings and see what happens . Thanks.
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#1456019 - 03/19/16 08:03 PM Re: Roland vs-1680 to Presonus firestudio 26x26 [Re: amarsh64]
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Are you using the Presonus Universal Control software?
This is where all of your I/O routing should be taking place...


It's just occurred to me - you say you've connected toslink cables and trying to hookup via optical - According to what I see, your Firestudio has ADAT optical - not SPDIF optical.

To connect digitally to the VS, you'll need to use the rca/coaxial connectors for digital SPDIF.
Typically, you'd use a 75 ohm cable with rca connectors at both ends (one cable for IN and one for OUT, if needed). That cable is usually color-coded yellow in a audio/video cable arrangement. You can use that sort of cable with confidence and do not need to buy a special, super-duper, MONSTER-size cable. You can also get away with a standard audio cable (color-coded red, black, white), if the cable is pretty short and you have nothing else at the moment. Really need that 75-ohm cable though...

Don't confuse this I/O pair with the AUX rca connectors (why did they place them right next to each other?????).

The optical connectors on the firestudio are not used for SPDIF, 2-channel connections.

That may be your entire issue here.

Please keep us posted.



Edited by uptildawn (03/19/16 08:07 PM)
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#1456051 - 03/19/16 10:30 PM Re: Roland vs-1680 to Presonus firestudio 26x26 [Re: uptildawn]
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You know , I read in the manuals that the optical out on the roland was 2 channel and the optical in on the presonus was 8 channel . Should have been a red flag . I will try the digital RCA cable that I have in the morning. Hopefully this is my issue . Yes I am using the universal control software.
Too many Variations in digital I/o connections if you ask me :-)

Thanks again .

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#1456054 - 03/19/16 10:47 PM Re: Roland vs-1680 to Presonus firestudio 26x26 [Re: amarsh64]
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That is correct - optical and spdif are BOTH 2-channel IN and OUT on the VS.
Not so on professional multi-channel interfaces (to my knowledge)... Optical I/O usually means ADAT, 8-ch and Coaxial usually means spdif, 2-ch. That may be an over simplification.
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#1456088 - 03/20/16 09:30 AM Re: Roland vs-1680 to Presonus firestudio 26x26 [Re: uptildawn]
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Well uptildawn , Your digital RCA suggestion worked perfectly . And now I have all 8 xlr inputs to use as I please. Thanks for the time and effort . I love the guitar patches in this machine . I picked this V Expanded unit up about 6 years ago . Both effects cards installed, an external cd burner , all documentation and all in mint condition.( came from a church ) Anyway , best 300 bucks I ever spent on gear :-)
Thanks again for the helping hand .

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#1456089 - 03/20/16 09:32 AM Re: Roland vs-1680 to Presonus firestudio 26x26 [Re: amarsh64]
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Oh and by the way the reason I was trying so hard to get the toslink connection to work was because I had just spent 20 bucks on a cable to connect the 2 units . I figured that optical connection would be the best way to go . It all worked out in the end .

Edited by amarsh64 (03/20/16 09:33 AM)

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#1456091 - 03/20/16 09:46 AM Re: Roland vs-1680 to Presonus firestudio 26x26 [Re: amarsh64]
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Glad to hear you got it worked out. Maybe you can resell that toslink cable.... or who knows, it may end up being just what you need for something down the line.

Sounds like you got a great deal on the 1680.
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