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#1491685 - 05/26/12 12:25 PM Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up
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what are the differences and better features on the editing software through a montitor from a VS-2000, VS-2400, and so on ?

I can do some pretty good stuff on Logic VS but am wondering what will be better about editing on screen once i upgrade from my VS-1880. Is using a full version of Logic in a PC hooked up to a VS better than what Roland has to offer in the last VS's they made ?

I know this is alot of questions . Someone with experience editing can probably simplify this topic i'm sure. Have at it !

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#1491686 - 05/26/12 05:29 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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 Originally Posted By: TreeDragon7
what are the differences and better features on the editing software through a montitor from a VS-2000, VS-2400, and so on ?...


I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're asking here... of course I'm known to be a bit dense, too. \:\)
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#1491687 - 05/26/12 09:08 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: uptildawn]
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the VS-2000 has an editing program on it ? What ways is it better than Logic VS ?
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#1491688 - 05/27/12 03:50 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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anyone that understands can answer ;\)
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#1491689 - 06/11/12 03:37 AM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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The VGA output (and mouse and keyboard support) for the VS2xx0 series does what the Logic VS software tried to achieve (and apparently failed) for the earlier units - a proper, visual DAW editing interface with waveform editing. Unlike Logic VS, it isn't a hacked on Logic Environment designed to pass on parameters via MIDI between the computer and VS unit - it is its built-in interface.

The VS UI is unique but shares many similar concepts as any other DAW, ProTools, Logic, etc. There's a horizontal track view, with waveforms when zoomed in, various mixer views, a wonderful channel strip view with EQ and COMP immediately accessible, an easier to use EZ routing view, plus effects/plugins view.

The following screen grabs are from the VS2480, but the VS2000 looks much the same (it doesn't have as many inputs/outputs, effects slots, etc.).









In summary, the VS2000's VGA editing options (and indeed, built in LCD options) are far more powerful than anything the older VS units coupled with Logic VS were capable of.

Hope that helps.

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#1491690 - 06/11/12 10:03 AM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: headwerkn2]
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looks absolutley awesome. first time ive seen it close up. i do have to admit that having a vs-1880 VS logic has made a large world open up to me ( even if VS-20xx has an larger one) . I understand how a monitor mouse, and keyboard interface would make workflow so much faster and more accurate. I need one now. I'm a little afraid to buy off ebay and havent seen any here in Atlanta pop up . getting VirDis2 for feeding files to Logic on my PC could be an answer for me soon. However, Roland has did a good job making their built in interface .

thanks for your help

Ryan


Edited by TreeDragon7 (06/11/12 10:07 AM)

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#1491691 - 08/16/12 09:16 AM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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anyone on here ever use VS Logic ? Its the free program that midisyncs a VS .
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#1491692 - 08/17/12 12:27 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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much easier to use than reaper

Edited by TreeDragon7 (08/17/12 12:27 PM)

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#1491693 - 10/10/12 12:02 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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Logic VS is TERRIBLE. Period. And I love Logic. Actually, full, later versions (5 for me) actually contain the "VS Audio Driver"--thus perform the same functions with less bugs than the freebie based around Logic 4 lite.

Logic VS is what brought me to the Planet a decade back. POS. Avoid at all costs.

As someone with 20+ years of software midi sequencer experience...and 10+ with DAWs...forget it. It was a decent concept that they didn't implement well...and no one used, so they never refined it...it's a mere footnote at this point.

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#1491694 - 10/11/12 06:02 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: Popmann]
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where is the VS driver on 5.10 of Logic ?
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#1491695 - 10/14/12 10:40 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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for real. i want to hook up my vs-1880, to Logic , the best way possible
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#1491696 - 10/15/12 06:51 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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It's in the audio driver section. Right along side ASIO and...WDM/MME (on Windows)...it's been years--but right where you set the buffer, etc.

The best way to "hook them up", though, IME, is just MTC sync. Screw the slow weird drawing waveform pictures over midi...you'll move a piece of audio and wait 30 seconds for it to redraw.

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#1491697 - 10/16/12 05:44 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: Popmann]
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thanks. i have to wait on getting a vs-2000 or better. i hear the monitor options are good
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#1491698 - 10/17/12 04:46 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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Seeing is the opposite of helpful, IME, in the production of making music.
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#1491699 - 10/17/12 08:32 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: Popmann]
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On the other hand, seeing has been nothing BUT helpful IME, where editing is concerned.... for that matter, in the ability to zero in on and quickly identify areas of music, dialog, almost any portion of production.

Can't tell I like a good monitor, can you? ;\)
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#1491700 - 10/17/12 11:32 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: uptildawn]
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it almost has to be visual in some way to edit. i feel like i am blind(er) without even logic vs. everyone sees it different . .

so,is it worth it to get a vs newer than the 1880 ?

thanks


Edited by TreeDragon7 (10/17/12 11:32 PM)

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#1491701 - 10/18/12 07:33 AM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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There are a lot of differences between the 1880 and 2xx0 series, of course. What makes it worth changing is really something only you can define for yourself, I think. Try copying the specs and features of the 1880 and whatever other model you're considering side-by-side into a document form... print it out and mull over and compare what you see.

If it were me, I'm sure I would also be torn by a comparison between the 2xx0 series VS and a 5-6 year old desktop PC (or mac), or even a well-equipped laptop trimmed out for recording chores at this stage of the game.
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#1491702 - 10/19/12 10:30 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: uptildawn]
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can the songs and their settings be transfrred from an 1880 to a 2000 ? easily ? maybe this has been answered before. i'm sorry if so
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#1491703 - 10/24/12 04:50 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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someone answer ?
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#1491704 - 10/24/12 05:05 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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I don't have any personal experience with the 2000 and that's why I haven't offered a reply.
But, I can tell you that it is the VS history to be able to open previous models' sessions in other VS units. They are initially transfered as Play Only (locked), but can be unlocked to continue working with them.
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#1491705 - 10/24/12 06:21 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: uptildawn]
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i am able to edit my old vs-880 songs on my vs-1880. for newer units i am not sure
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#1491706 - 10/29/12 05:30 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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anyone experienced with this ? i am sure someone is. write away !
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#1491707 - 11/17/12 01:32 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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Does VirDis convert songs good ? like the bits and quality of the original ?
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#1491708 - 11/17/12 02:26 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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VirDis doesn't convert songs. VirDis allows the PC hard drive (at least the partition you create for the VS) to be seen as a VS-initialized external hard drive, just as any other external drive you'd hook up to the VS. Of course, VirDis has more capabilities than just that, but none of them have to do with using it as a file converter.

Once you've copied a VS song into a VirDis virtual drive, it can then be manipulated further using VSWE and/or Reaper to extract .wav files from the VS Takes files.

The bit and sample rates are exactly the same as the VS song was created with. For instance, an MTP mode song set at 44.1k created on the 1680 will convert to 24 bit/44.1k .wav files. MT2 songs are converted to 16 bit, IIRC.



Edited by uptildawn (11/17/12 02:27 PM)
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#1491709 - 11/17/12 05:19 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: uptildawn]
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i want to use logic audio . I dont have the cable. i just want to use the program to get songs into Logic. I know it can be done. hopefully keeping the VS edits intact to the computer
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#1491710 - 11/17/12 06:31 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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Not sure what cable you're missing. VirDis, the program, does no good without the special PCI card and SCSI cable to hook up to your VS.

Logic does not read VS Songs as Reaper is able to do (with the correct additional plug-in installed).

A simple method to get your edited VS tracks (intact) into Logic would be to record the tracks from the VS outputs through the PC's line or digital inputs (if it has digital inputs) and directly into Logic. All you need is a decently quiet input (or pair of inputs) in your PC. It's not ideal, but it is direct and to the point.

All the other methods require special hardware and software in various combinations to acquire the VS Takes (the equivalent of soundfiles and regions) and then translate them in PC-world in a way that you can import into Logic and further edit and mixdown.

As far as I can tell, unless you are brilliant enough to come up with your own solution (I certainly am not), you are stuck with these two alternatives.


Edited by uptildawn (11/17/12 06:32 PM)
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#1491711 - 11/17/12 08:20 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: uptildawn]
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i think im talking about VSWE program. i want to get all 8 VS tracks into Logic as they are arranged and edited on my VS. I know it canbe done some how
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#1491712 - 11/17/12 09:30 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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I might also add...

Be aware that although VSWE is capable of converting the VS Takes from a VS Song into .wav files, which you can import into Logic, it does not include any processing or mixing changes you may have done in the VS Song as it would/might playback on the VS.

In other words, any effects and mix processing you may have done in the VS Song prior to using VSWE is not included in the conversion of the Takes to .wav files, unless you first "print" those changes to other tracks by way of "bouncing" them as described in the manual.

This is similar to what happens if you decide to use the VS' direct outputs to record individual tracks (up to 8 at once) into Logic in realtime. You would get just the raw, edited track playback, but without effects, eq, or other processing.

No matter how you slice it, you have two options:

1- Record your VS Song into Logic/PC in realtime, using the various analog and/or digital physical outputs as has been described many times.

2- Transfer and convert VS Song data onto a PC/Logic into a usable form (.wav file) by way of the multiple methods outlined in many, many threads and posts here on the Planet.

Yes, it can be (and is being) done. Those are your choices.

There are multiple realtime and transfer methods available and in use. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. They range in cost from "Free" to over $300(US) and all require an investment in labor and time to achieve.

I'm sure you must be able to figure out which of these will work the best for you in time. You may have to do some experiments of your own to find out which methods suite your needs and your work environment the best. No matter what you decide to do, you can know that someone around here will always be willing to lend a hand when you run into problems and have questions.

You may just have to give up on asking for solutions that don't exist in the present time in order to get anywhere further. Just sayin....

Please don't take what I've said in the wrong light. I'm trying to be helpful.


Edited by uptildawn (11/17/12 09:31 PM)
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#1491713 - 11/18/12 03:15 AM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: uptildawn]
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thanks for the info. it is a let down that effects and edits dont transfer in VSWE. still useful though.
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#1491714 - 12/27/12 04:59 PM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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back to possible solutions,

has the new VirDis for usb been released yet.

i remember wondering this around the end of last year

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#1491715 - 12/28/12 01:39 AM Re: Logic VS and edting on VS-2000 and up [Re: TreeDragon7]
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I'm sure it will be posted in giant glowing letters around here when it is released...
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