#1446591 - 02/05/16 08:07 PM
persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Alvaro
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so here is what im working with:
1 x personus v-fire 1 x roland vs2480 1x iMac 2011 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5 20 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6750M 512 MB 10.11.3 (15D21)
ok here it goes:
i installed the drivers from the Vfire CD and the machine it shows up in the Vfire control panel.
i also installed the personus universal control drivers from here http://www.presonus.com/support/downloads/FireStudio-Lightpipe so that FireStudio shows up in the input and audio devices of the OS X.
in the vs 2480 i see the input, in mix, track mixer on 16 just fine as well as the output r-bus2 number 8 signal advising that the sound is goingthru accordingly. input 16 is where i have my iPod playing some songs.
in Logic X i make a new project, preference input device is set to fire studio(44.8khz in all devices). i arm a new track with input 16 set and low and behold all i get is static noise in logic.
this is where i am stuck.
please help
here are some screenshots http://postimg.org/gallery/1319ltdka/ http://postimg.org/gallery/14wsptjhm/
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#1446628 - 02/05/16 10:17 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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dkfackler
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The V-Fire isn't supported on any Mac system later than OSX 10.4.11
Sorry.
I've been after Presonus to release the source code for the driver, but they "can't release the code as R-Bus was a collaborative effort between Presonus and Roland."
I don't know whether it's worth approaching Roland and 'encouraging' them to agree with Presonus and release the source. SOMEONE here could make this work.
As for now, because Presonus has orphaned this unit, I've sworn off Presonus hardware until this is remedied.
DK
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#1446733 - 02/06/16 02:45 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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frankielane
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Same here ! Ive got a useless v-fire never used in my attic.
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#1446788 - 02/06/16 06:34 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Frank Griffith
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It would be easier to just load up and old XP PC laptop or desktop with firewire and run it with your VFire. Some have gotten the macs that run an XP mode to work with VS and connected gear. Good luck
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#1447299 - 02/08/16 07:16 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Alvaro
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good news everyone......... the past couple of days i have been banging my head against the wall trying to get the vs2480 to work with my iMac el capitan, i gave up on that and went through the windows xp route but i could not get al the necessary drivers for my model iMac, oh well of to windows 7 64 bit..... oops 64 bit won't see the vfire (im going to put a hit on roland i though to myself lol) ok lets instal windows 7 32 bit and get that sweet windows xp mode on it and bam it worked im getting all 16 sweet channels of goodness into the computer.
I perform almost 99% of my computing work in OS X and this whole thing of switching between OS's was a little pebble i had to deal in my shoe until a miracle happens.....
guess what?!?!?!?!?!?!
i booted my OS X to do some work and said what the heck lets give it a last shot, ill whip out the anointment oil and the magic wand before i turn on the iMac....
opened vfire panel, fixed my aggregate device device settings boot it up cakewalk 6 ai this time did my whole frequency thing an set up the routers and blah blah
ITS WORKING ON OSX EL CAPITAN!!!!!!!!!
i am never ever ever ever ever ever turning my computer off lol.
i will try to make a video soon after a clean the mess i have in my office from the countless nights of contemplating the destruction of this v-fire box.
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#1447312 - 02/08/16 07:52 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Frank Griffith
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OK, "good news everyone" x 4, it happens to many of us here,LOL. Glad you got it all figured out and working. You might want to write down all the settings and info that worked for you and post it here so others have a guide on how to do this as well with Mac etc. Congratts! Frank
Edited by Frank Griffith (02/08/16 07:53 PM)
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#1447713 - 02/10/16 03:33 AM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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dkfackler
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Alvaro!
I'm definitely interested in seeing what you did to make this work in the later OS X.
Was the Presonus Universal Control necessary?
Are you getting audio IN and OUT via Firewire and the V-Fire, or are your INputs over Firewire and your OUTputs over built-in audio?
What about MIDI? Is that transmitted via Firewire as well?
In any event, your tenacity is appreciated.
Bravo!
dk
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#1447894 - 02/11/16 04:19 AM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
[Re: dkfackler]
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Alvaro
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I will try to recreate the whole set up on video. I do have both universal and vfire app installed and its functioning that way (im afraid of unistalling one and for it to stop working). I get 16 ins via rbus (1 &2) and monitor it with the imacs speakers. since im in the process of organizing my gear i have not had time to plug in my monitors and test the outs via rbus to the outputs of the mixer, i kind of set up everything at night when my kids are asleep and clean it all up before they wake up the next day.
I have not messed with MIDI yet.
I will post a link soon
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#1447924 - 02/11/16 12:43 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
[Re: Alvaro]
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dkfackler
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What doesn't work for me (under 10.5.8)is the mixer outputs. Input is there, and IIRC, the control surface works with my custom keymap.
I get everything under 10.4.11
I'm curious to see what you find. My suspicion is that Universal Control does nothing. I understand your 'ain't broke, don't fix it' approach.
I'm willing to mess about with it-- I can do it in isolation and not mess my 'working' configuration.
dk
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#1448118 - 02/11/16 11:52 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Alvaro
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here is what i promised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gse550J8nMo
hope it helps. (volume is kind of low sorry about that)
dk you do need the universal control that is the proxy the computer uses to see the v-fire in the input devices, other wise you will have the v-fire panel but nothing will show up in the input section of the DAW or OS.
what i noticed is the key thing that makes this thing work is the ability to disable the System Integrity Protection (SIP) in OS X El Capitan.
cheers, its a wonderful day for VS owners worldwide
Edited by Alvaro (02/11/16 11:55 PM)
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#1448127 - 02/12/16 12:25 AM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Alvaro
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really sorry for the volume guys. i think im going to fix this and upload another one
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#1448131 - 02/12/16 12:33 AM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Frank Griffith
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It will be much appreciated. Who knows how many folks this will help going forward. Thanks
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#1448355 - 02/12/16 11:29 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Alvaro
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#1448360 - 02/12/16 11:53 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Alvaro
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#1448810 - 02/14/16 07:25 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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dkfackler
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Alvaro,
Thank you for this.
There is no audio from 4:50-5:34 or so. Sadly, that seems to be when you route the output.
dk
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#1448901 - 02/15/16 03:44 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Alvaro
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yes since i used kissed by a rose, youtube said i was under copyright infringement, so i just took the audio part out there. but believe me it works perfectly.
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#1448927 - 02/15/16 05:25 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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dkfackler
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yes since i used kissed by a rose, youtube said i was under copyright infringement, so i just took the audio part out there. but believe me it works perfectly.
Ah. I see. Could you outline your steps for connecting the output?
Perhaps you could write the steps, in order, here?
Personally, I do better with lists than videos.
On another front, do you have fader/transport/pan, etc., control through the V-Fire? I do, under OSX 10.4.11. Getting these working under later Systems would be the difference that makes the VS a true control surface, as compared to being an interface.
Thanks for your work.
dk
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#1449319 - 02/17/16 10:42 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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frankielane
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Hi Alvaro .Thats truly a great breakthrough and well done and thanks for sharing. it really opens up big possibilities especially if the 2480 can be successfully set up as a control surface also. I have been trying to do this for the last few weeks and only have had marginal success. Have you tired this and had any luck ? How do you connect the v-fire to the iMac though?
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#1449320 - 02/17/16 10:50 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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frankielane
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Hi dk Do you have any info on using the 2480 as in depth control surface? I have been trying but only with limited success . I just can't get a grip of the automap business. I downloaded the s1-24 file from Roland which is supposed to work everything and it appears in logic pro x alright but i was wondering do you have to upload it to the 2480 also ? Your help would be greatly appreciated thanks. Frankie.
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#1449718 - 02/19/16 06:02 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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dkfackler
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Frankie:
I didn't load anything into the VS. You can get the transport, faders. etc, working via MIDI, but in my experience, the DAW(in my case REAPER) doesn't run the faders in OS X. With the V-Fire, under OSX 10.4.11, everything works.
The REAPER 'Action List' is programmable for surface/keyboard commands, and that's how my custom keymap was constructed.
There is a REAPER VS control surface .dll for use with Windows which I haven't tried. Maybe it'll get some attention this weekend if the moldering PC under my desk still runs...
Feel free to PM if there's anyhting else you need. It's a bit of a goose-chase, but I've been happy to have it working on my antique Mac.
dk
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#1449720 - 02/19/16 06:37 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Smithy
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Something interesting if you run Macs, The first run Intel Mac Pros A1186 will boot 10.4 Needs a special install disc though. (My universal 10.4 install disc wouldn't work) I've heard that *some* iMac install discs will, however. Pertinent cards and parts are a little scarce for the 1186, so I'm still running my old Quicksilver G4
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#1449811 - 02/20/16 12:21 AM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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dkfackler
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I have a 15" MacBook Pro which still has a 10.4 partition. I found the same issue with the 10.4 installer on my quad-core Intel Mac Pro, so cloned the MacBook partion to the Mac Pro and it runs!
End run around the installer...
I still have a G4 tower here, too! Speaks really well to the longevity of this hardware!
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#1449866 - 02/20/16 01:44 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Alvaro
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thank you. im glad i have not sold the unit or the v-fire all this time. i have not tried using as a controller surface yet. I connect the Vfire via firewire 400 and an adapter firewire 800 to 400.
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#1449870 - 02/20/16 02:38 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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hikayat
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Thanks Alvaro for your detail steps to get Mr.V fire together work with el capitan , is excellent . looking forward to your next discover tech .
Dj
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#1449888 - 02/20/16 05:24 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Smithy
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Yup. Still have an operational blue and white G3 server. I'm firmly convinced it will survive even a zombie apocalypse
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#1455604 - 03/18/16 04:18 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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cp1
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Dont know what I did but I now have my V-Fire sending 16 channels from my 2480 to my Mac Pro running 32 bit Snow Leopard and Logic Pro 9. I also have two Presonus FireStudio Projects in the chain too. The problem that I am having right now is that when I have the V-Fire in the chain, I have no audio going to my studio mains or monitors. As soon as i take the V-fire out of the link then my mains and monitors fire up. I believe that this may have something to do with the midi utility in OS X but not sure. Any one have an idea? Im new to the Mac scene and was in the process of transferring everything over to the Mac but not am able to link so not sure as to what I'm going to do yet. Might keep the Roland and run both.
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#1456388 - 03/21/16 01:25 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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frankielane
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Hi again Alvaro A question. Do you re enable SIP after installing the v-fire or do you have to leave it as is to work ?
Thanks Frankie
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#1461622 - 04/15/16 11:39 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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LaGuitarrista
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Alvaro!!!! No words... Logic Pro X, El Capitan and V-Fire working perfectly. You just changed my work flow massively, THANK YOU!!! Come to London and let me buy you a beer!!
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#1461993 - 04/18/16 04:52 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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frankielane
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Hi there Guitarrista I was wondering if you could help me . I have only had half success with this in that I get 16 channels recognised in Logic Pro But can't get audio going in. I was wondering Would you help me in outlining the exact settings In the vs 2480 and or Logic Pro . I'd really appreciate it Regards Frankie
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#1543476 - 08/27/17 04:36 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Wavesurfer
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Hi Alvaro
Thanks a lot!!!
I tried using a Macbook Pro (Retina, 15-Inch, Late 2015 2,6 GHz i7, Mac OS 10.11.) and an iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, late 2015 4 GHz i7, Mac OS 10.12.6), through a (Belkin) Thunderbolt to Firewire 800 Adapter -----> 800/400 firewire 3m Cable (Lindy)-------> V-fire Presonus.....and It works !!!!! (Reaper 48/96KHz)
Regards
Pietro
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#1543479 - 08/27/17 06:03 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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dkfackler
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I'm curious as to what level of control you get with this configuration. Are you able to route audio in both directions through the V-Fire to the VS and to REAPER?
How about transport, MIDI, faders, panning, record arm, solo/mute, etc?
What are you using for V-Fire drivers?
This could be great…
dk
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#1543585 - 08/28/17 09:32 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Wavesurfer
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HI dk
I'm able to record Reaper tracks in the VS-2480 and vice-versa (WOW!)
VS 2480 can send and receive transport commands ( I used MTC through RBUS connection): if VS 2480 is the Master the synchronism seems good, if VS 2480 is the slave there is a lag (2 seconds) when I press stop on Reaper. (Sorry I'm not an expert maybe there is some set up that don't know).
I never used the VS 2480 as a Control Surface (Now I will start to dig into VS2480 and Reaper manuals)
Driver: I followed Alvaro's "recipe": disable SIP on Mac OS (http://www.macworld.com/article/2986118/security/how-to-modify-system-integrity-protection-in-el-capitan.html), install last V-Fire driver (1.0.98), install latest driver for Presonus Firewire "stuff" (Universal Control 1.7.4.5), enable SIP on MAC OS .
Reaper names I/O hardware "Firestudio" and sees 16 RBUS Channels (8 for RBUS 1 and 8 for RBUS2) + 1 midi I/O for each RBUS connection
I hope this helps
Regards
Pietro
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#1543620 - 08/29/17 12:02 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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dkfackler
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Thanks. I'll try it.
So you are able to record via the 2480 inputs and route output through the 2480 to monitors/cans ? That's where the later-than-10.4.11 OS falls down.
My older system works fine, so this will be pursued mainly out of curiosity and against the day that the old system goes down permanently. Sadly, it is inevitable.
Thirty years ago I was offered the principal horn position in the Torino orchestra. I had a new baby at home, so declined the job.
No regrets-- he became a very fine young man!
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#1543627 - 08/29/17 01:49 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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Wavesurfer
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Hi dk
NO regrets at all !!!.....But....you missed "gianduja" chocolate and "Zabaione".......
"Teatro Regio" Orchestra or "RAI" Orchestra?
I used only Rbus connections to route audio to and from VS2480, meanwhile monitoring through VS monitor outs. I moved faders and volume variations were recorded back in Reaper....
I haven't used VS for years....but when I saw Alvaro's post....I dug out from dust....and I tried....BTW I used 64 samples at 96 KHz without any "pop"....I tried aggregate device and I had some random soft "pop"....
Decadence is inevitable....maybe Presonus Studiolive32 could be a suitable replacement ....
regards
Pietro
P.S. If you pass through Torino.......
Edited by Wavesurfer (08/29/17 01:56 PM)
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#1543653 - 08/29/17 09:22 PM
Re: persons v-fire and el capitan OS X
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dkfackler
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I've kind of sworn off Presonus as they orphaned the V-Fire. It was a niche market device, but you'd think the source code could be provided(with agreement from our Roland friends-- it was a collaboration) for some bright mind at the Planet to make work.
I am interested in getting this working on a later Mac OS, though.
Ciao!
dk
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