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#1564599 - 03/04/18 03:25 PM Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD
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Hello,

I've been trying to convert from the HDD to an SSD hard-drive and I'm having problems. Firstly thanks Canefire for your videos and thanks to vsplanet for the instructions in the pdf of Franks files.
I have a VS2480DVD and i purchased a SanDisk SSD PLUS 120GB Solid State Drive and the Kitbon 2.5"/3.5" SATA to 40Pin IDE PATA Converter Adapter Card Adapter via dealextreme.

There is a black plastic tab on two pins at one end of the converter, which I initially left on, thinking
that would make it the master, but when I turn the machine on I get SCSI: OK and then nothing else.
When I remove the black plastic tab, I get all the way to formatting the drive but right at the end when
I try to do "quick format" and "no scan" and "10GB" a message comes up to say it failed.

The converter does look different to the one in canefire's video so i wonder is it that? or might the drive i got be
incompatible?

Any help would be great. Thanks.

E
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#1564602 - 03/04/18 03:52 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Enda_Reilly]
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Look for a "manual" for your SSD and assuming you find something, it should describe where that jumper (black plastic tab) should go. There may be more than one configuration for it.

Other than that, I got nothing to add at this point.... best of luck with the mod though.
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#1564671 - 03/04/18 10:11 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: uptildawn]
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you have the wrong adapter. You need the exact one that is in my video. People have tried with others and it did not work.

For some reason Roland gear is finnicky about adapters and converters. I think it has something to do with the time of development. My akai gear can use all sorts of adapters for all sorts of different peripherals. Roland needs ver specific items.

So read the description on the video and get the right adapter. Also you need the jumper (little plastic that goes over the metal prongs) to be set to master. It must be on the adapter.

My vs2480s are on OS 2.505 and 2.504 respectively.

here is the name of the adapter...
SATA TO PATA IDE Converter Adapter Plug&Play 7+15 Pin 3.5/2.5 SATA HDD DVD BG


Cheers,
Ian


Edited by I_CaneFire (03/04/18 10:23 PM)

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#1564686 - 03/05/18 02:57 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: I_CaneFire]
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Just to reiterate above post...

I did exactly as Ian said in his video and it worked perfectly!

Frank

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#1564687 - 03/05/18 04:19 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: croaky]
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Thanks a mill. I just bought a new adapter on Amazon so hopefully that'll do the trick.

Enda
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#1564819 - 03/05/18 11:57 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Enda_Reilly]
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Why are you converting? Is it a speed or capacity issue, to eliminate drive noise, availability of drives? Maybe to transfer files more efficiently to PC?

Just curious about the perceived benefits. Not doing much music at present but maybe some tinkering will inspire me.

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#1564821 - 03/06/18 03:55 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: RevBill]
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Hi RevBill,

I'm hoping it'll be quieter. I love the stability of it for recording onto, but the hums from it have always annoyed me a bit. I usually have mics very close by to record myself on guitar and vocal and I have put pillows etc in the way it'd be great if the VS was almost silent. I switched the fan out for a silenz fan a while back as well.

I've been recording onto iPad to Auria with the RME Babyface and that's very quiet but limited track wise and the software can change etc.
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#1564836 - 03/06/18 09:53 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Enda_Reilly]
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Thanks, hope it works out for you. It’s definitely not yhe quietest machine though honestly my recording issues have more to do,with my technique.
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#1564872 - 03/06/18 04:48 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: RevBill]
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Ian,

What is the link to the video you mentioned, or what post?
Thanks.

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#1565190 - 03/09/18 01:19 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Starliner]
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I've bought 3 SATA converters. One (from France) is exactly like the one in the video. None of them have ever worked.
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#1565204 - 03/09/18 08:58 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Cantsleep]
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 Originally Posted By: I_CaneFire
you have the wrong adapter. You need the exact one that is in my video. People have tried with others and it did not work…

So read the description on the video and get the right adapter…

here is the name of the adapter...
SATA TO PATA IDE Converter Adapter Plug&Play 7+15 Pin 3.5/2.5 SATA HDD DVD BG
Cheers,
Ian


Unfortunately and as with some other adapter/mod components tried for the VS, the problems people like Cantsleep has had (tried 3,… even one exactly “like”…), may be due to the item NOT being the exact brand, model, model, version, or even batch as the item given by CaneFire.

I was going to suggest that CaneFire should give the exact mane brand and model – even version – if he could find it on the packaging, or on the card, but I don’t think that this information could be enough sometimes.

As with the SD card adapter I myself used in a mod for the 1680 and people have been chasing about for a few years with little to no success, even when the card looks identical and is sold by the same seller, it is often not the same at the component level as manufacturers update their product from time to time and maybe more often today, switch out components on the card with more readily available and/or cheaper versions in order to keep costs down, or simply in order to continue to offer the product.

I imagine that in the average computer, these changes don’t usually matter and the items work just fine…. But this is the VS….. Sometimes things apparently need to be “exactly the same” and not “exactly like”.
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#1566044 - 03/14/18 04:24 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: uptildawn]
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Hi,

I would also suggest trying to change the ssd to a intel 520 120 gig drive, they tend to work well,.

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#1567131 - 03/24/18 06:23 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: GazLowe]
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Hello again,

Thanks for the input. I bought the closest to what iancanefire said and it arrived just the other day, but alas it still doesn't work. I notice that there's a square chip in the centre of the board but in Ian's video that looks like a circular disc. The package also had "Windows Vista" on it which didn't inspire me.

Also when the jumper is set to master I get no response at all at startup but when the jumper is on slave it lets me try a format and then just fails. Cruel.

Could it be that the one I have needs a driver and is not "plug and play"( or standalone or class compliant) whereas iancanefire's is? The problem as mentioned by uptildawn is getting the right model.

Perhaps like Gazlowe said, the ssd is the problem so I'll have a look and see how much an Intel 520 120gb is. The other difference is my VS2480 is the CD upgraded to DVD model not the HD.

Right now I just put the old hard drive back and I'm reformatting it so I can get a fresh start and stuck in to starting a new album. As always I'll keep the pillows on standby to reduce the hard drive whirr. I have some external compressors and eq that I want to be able to use and the VS has nice routing capabilities so hopefully I can get cracking soon.

Thanks again
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#1567132 - 03/24/18 07:50 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Enda_Reilly]
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Hi,
This is so sad to hear. Someone contacted me regarding my youtube video stating that the picture in the beginning of the video is not the same adapter as the one actually used.
I took that picture from the ebay page of the sale. So the picture didn't match the product. However it was the description of the product that led me to the purchase not the picture. THe picture did not have the jumper.

I think I need to open my vs2480, take out the adapter and do a video with a magnifying glass. At least this way people will have a good close look at both sides of the correct adapter that worked for me and a few others.

Are all the people having trouble in the US or Europe? I wonder if the part has compliance issues.
Thanks
Ian

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#1567165 - 03/24/18 04:55 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: I_CaneFire]
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Looking forward to the new video. Thank you.
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#1567217 - 03/25/18 11:28 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Cantsleep]
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I'm in Europe. I bought on Amazon from Universal Color, who have a US address but the pakage came from China.
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#1567245 - 03/25/18 03:30 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Enda_Reilly]
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I just had a look at Ian's videos again and I think it's just a QC sticker his has that mine doesn't.
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#1568748 - 04/11/18 03:11 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Enda_Reilly]
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Thanks to Ian for making another close up video. https://youtu.be/wUw0n2JIfk0 The adapter I have is exactly the same as far as I can see. JP103-5. The slave pin on my adapter is angled slightly but that was the only difference. Even the large chip looks exactly the same round the edges.

So that means I should try a different ssd (look at Tin Mans comment on Hard drives below the video, very interesting) or else it just doesn't work on the VS2480CD/DVD model. The hooking up internally is quite different to the HD model so it's a possibility. Has anyone with the CD model got this to work?
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#1597249 - 01/05/19 09:23 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Enda_Reilly]
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Is there a particular SSD that I should purchase? Or is any brand ok?
I’m going to try and upgrade my vs2400
The noise off the drive is ridiculously loud and I mainly want to record vocals and acoustic guitar


Edited by Basset77 (01/05/19 09:37 PM)

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#1597477 - 01/07/19 07:01 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Basset77]
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just to chime in here, I bought this card on amazon
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003AG79GO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I am using an intel SSD 520 120GB drive and it is working, I did a physical format on it that took hours but I am up and running.

dead silent now.
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#1597526 - 01/08/19 06:26 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: donw35]
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Hi,

I used converter : https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/cUWm1om4
with Samsung 120G SSD.
After formatting (you must do this step!) i have 10x 11.5 Gb + 1x 5 Gb disks available.

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#1609791 - 04/15/19 12:18 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: frotje]
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Hello everybody.
I've been following your posts and I'm also trying to convert my 2 vs 2480-DVD to ssd with no success.
I have also a vs 2000 which I easily convert to ssd. I even tried the ssd on the 2480 after formatted on the vs 2000 and still no success.
I'm wondering if it has to do with dvd model.
Did anyone scceed the change to ssd with the dvd model?


Edited by 369 (04/15/19 01:49 PM)

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#1609843 - 04/15/19 07:21 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: frotje]
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Hi. Can you tell which model did you convert? HD or CD/DVD?
I'm trying with CD/DVD model and had no results.

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#1609856 - 04/15/19 08:44 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: 369]
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Hi,

I have not thought that much about getting a ssd yet since I already have a Song-Vault with 2 swappable HDs, in addition to the internal 80 GB one. But is there a special reason for mounting the ssd inside the VS-2480? Can it be used as an external HD instead, like the Song-Vault via SCSI?

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#1609866 - 04/15/19 10:31 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Tiger]
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I think most people originally wanted to go solid state to reduce the amount of noise in the room (being able to shut off or replace the fan also was a big goal) - and that may be because a lot of people used mics in close proximity to their VS. Later on - almost simultaneously, it was a way to get tracks into the pc environment where more complex and faster processing and mixing can generally be done.

I personally still use the 1680 (not often now) and have an external CD Rack (Roland-branded), which has both a Plextor CD drive and an extra bay for (originally) a Glyph hard drive and caddy. I finally got around to retrofitting a more generic caddy into the empty drive bay and I have one caddy fitted with an IDE hard drive and another fitted with a CF/SD card adapter. The flash card adapter works quite well with the 1680. I might assume that an ssd like one of the 2.5" Samsung drives might work as well in an appropriately outfitted external unit for use with the 2480. Might certainly be worth looking into how to add some sort of mod for your Song Vault - maybe something you can swap out, back and forth, as needed.

Somebody with a 2480 will be able to give an opinion on how well that might function with the higher track counts of a 2480.


Edited by uptildawn (04/15/19 10:33 PM)
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#1609878 - 04/15/19 11:59 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Tiger]
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Besides the reducing of noise, the IDE drives for vs are becoming rare and expensive and Song Vault external SCSI out of production. So, I'm trying to find a alternative solution for the inside drive and also for the external SCSI.

Edited by 369 (04/16/19 06:35 PM)

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#1609981 - 04/16/19 06:32 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: 369]
369 Offline
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Some more information on this:
vs2480CD/DVD - IDE to SATA adapter JP103-5 - Kingston A400 120GB.

Jumper set to master: the vs does't detect the ssd drive, it stays still after "SCSI OK";

Jumper set to slave: the vs does detect the ssd as a SCSI 2 but can't format it;

Jumper out: the vs does detect the ssd but stays still after that.

If anyone have more information, please share it.

Thank you.


Edited by 369 (04/16/19 06:38 PM)

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#1610154 - 04/17/19 07:51 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: frotje]
369 Offline
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Hi frotje, can you tell the model of the Samsung ssd?
Which vs 2480 model are you using? DVD or HD?
Many thanks.


Edited by 369 (04/17/19 07:51 PM)

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#1610198 - 04/18/19 09:14 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: 369]
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I use the DVD version. Samsung type is EVO 120 Gb.
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#1610199 - 04/18/19 09:17 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: frotje]
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I used quick format to get the drive formatted & recognized.
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#1610239 - 04/18/19 01:18 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: frotje]
369 Offline
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Hi fratje.
I've been struggling with my DVD version and once you have the same one I'll try the same combination.
Thank you so much.

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#1610714 - 04/21/19 07:58 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: 369]
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This conversion thing is interesting. At some point sooner or later I will probably do the same. But instead of opening up the VS-2480CD without knowing for sure that the adapter and ssd actually is going to work, it seems like a better idea in my case to install these two in the inner tray that goes into the Song-Vault and are connected via SCSI. If this work, I assume they will also work internally. And if so, I could also replace my two external 160 GB HDs (120 GB are used by the 2480) with ssd and adapters. And after that I could probably just disconnect the fan in the Song-Vault as it will no longer be needed.

That is an option anyway.


The original inner tray paper box:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/dfERV5gfCacngy16A

The inner tray with the lid open:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rhqPjihpurzai8pT8

The Song-Vault with swappable HDs:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NtF8yD7kdaASpwTF8



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#1610843 - 04/22/19 12:12 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Tiger]
369 Offline
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That's exactly what I'm looking for, but I decided to try the internal one first.
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#1610849 - 04/22/19 03:16 AM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: 369]
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I see. Thanks to you and uptildawn for the info above!
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#1610960 - 04/22/19 07:55 PM Re: Problem converting my Roland VS-2480DVD to SSD [Re: Tiger]
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I'm waiting for some more IDE-SATA adapters I bought and try them with a Sumsung EVO ssd - info shared by fratje. As soon as I have more details I will share.
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