#1573370 - 06/03/18 05:44 PM
VS880 & VS1680 DAT backups to Vs2000CD
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GreatGig
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I have many old DAT backup tapes from the VS880 and VS1680. Is there a way to connect the DAT to the VS 2000cd to get the digital backups to the VS 2000cd so they can then be moved to my PC?
My DAT is a Tascam DA 20...(I know, all OLD stuff...like me! ha!) I have searched and searched and I can't find anything about this. I'm hoping since I have noticed this is where all the VS Gurus are, that someone must have come across this issue before and I just can't find the answers.
I'm hoping there is someone out there that can help me! I've been trying everything I can think of to do this for the last 2 days, and I am just not smart enough to figure this out.
Edited by GreatGig (06/03/18 05:56 PM)
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#1573407 - 06/03/18 10:05 PM
Re: VS880 & VS1680 DAT backups to Vs2000CD
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uptildawn
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Greetings GreatGig - Welcome to the Planet.
As far as I am aware, there is no method to translate your DAT tape backups in a way that your 2000cd can read. and I'm afraid the real creative code geniuses that used to be active here are no longer so..... not sure if anybody else is around that has the means to figure out how to turn a DAT backup into a CD backup, but it seems to me that there would be your straightforward solution - if it existed.
I don't know if it's possible to simply record the dat tape vs code from the dat machine onto a pc and burn it to CD (or to record directly to a cd recorder) and then burn a backup cd from it that the 2000cd will then recognize...... I'm doubtful, although I've never tried before. If you should try that - make sure to turn your speaker/headphone volume down nearly to nothing while transferring this in realtime!!!!!
Other than that, I could only recommend that you find a working, used 1680 that still has the DAT os version installed and buy it. Then transfer both 880 and 1680 Songs onto it from the dat tapes.... that's step 1..... then you need to figure out how to get the 1680 Songs onto the 2000cd.
That could be less of a problem and quite a bit more simple, if you have a SCSI cd burner that is compatible with the 1680 to created CDR backups, which can then be loaded onto your 2000cd.
Barring no CD burner that can do the job, you are left with the possibility of using the 1680's internal hard drive in the 2000cd just for the sake of creating cdr backups for future reloading and to have some viable backup other than dat tape. From there, variations on how you might proceed go off in many tangents, none of which are simple to suggest or explain without knowing much more about your specific 2000cd's internal hard drive set up...
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If I knew, or there was any easy way of knowing what os version the 1680 last used that had DAT capability, then I would know whether or not I still had an os that I could temporarily install to my own 1680 to test a couple ideas....... even to go so far as to offer the use of my machines and time to help get those transferred to CDR backup for you. The last DAT os was most certainly before the V-xpanded version, but don't know what number os that was either....
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Does all this leave your head spinning, with nowhere new to go? Don't feel too bad........ there's many in a very similar situation, I'm sure.
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#1573430 - 06/03/18 11:58 PM
Re: VS880 & VS1680 DAT backups to Vs2000CD
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GreatGig
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Thank you for the reply. Back in the day, when I first started with the VS880, it was the DAT that they (Roland & affiliates at the NAMM show), said buy to do the backups with. They said it was faster, more reliable, and easy to store. Little did I know the future would bring so much trouble!
I do still have the V1680 and I have the original CD burner that burns at the "lightning speed" of 1x. I did bring one of the DATs into the VS1680. Due to it being from the VS880, it wouldn't let me burn it as a backup to the CD (or do anything else with it). It was protected and wouldn't let me unprotect it. The burning of a CD for 4 songs with 5 tracks took me 2.5 hours for just those! However, it did work. The time consuming nature is one factor, and the largest issue is the DAT tapes with the VS880 backup come into the VS1680 Protected.
It sure seems like there should be some way to connect the DAT to the VS2000cd and transfer the backups digitally. I guess it's spend several days transferring the VS880 backups from the DAT, then recording track by track via the VS1680 output through my Focusrite interface, then to Ableton. I did that for one of the songs and takes forever.
I did try recording the DAT data file. (Took about 4 hours). It saves as a .wav file so I didn't think burning a CD of the .wav would work due to the multiple discs it would take (over 1GB .wav file on cds) ), and being a .wav file, so I didn't think the VS2000cd would bring the information in.
All those thousands of dollars that I spent buying the Rolands (VS880, VS1680, VS2000cd) new, along with the DAT and all the tape materials to now have to spend days getting my saved content ripped, just doesn't seem right. Roland should create a little interface or something that will work for all of us! I know...wishful thinking...:-)
Thank you for the warm welcome and the information. If you (or anyone else) thinks of something else that might work, I'll be around waiting to hear.
(I have about 40 DATs...so this could be a really painful situation if I have to do this track by track. The thought of it makes me want to give up and throw them away...)
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#1573445 - 06/04/18 02:18 AM
Re: VS880 & VS1680 DAT backups to Vs2000CD
[Re: GreatGig]
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uptildawn
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You can unprotect 880 songs in the 1680 - that's why I suggested using the 1680 and not both. Use Import to convert the 880 song to 1680 format, after you've loaded the 880 song into the 1680. After the import, you can delete the protected 880 song with a couple confirmations that you actually want to do so. It won't hurt to go to the unlocked/converted song and confirm that it is indeed whole and not corrupted... then delete the locked 880 song to reclaim the hard drive space.
I have done this frequently, so have no fear. You still have the 880 song backed up on dat as well.
You're right - about the recording of the dat data to pc would create a .wav file..... guess that won't help.
I think that because the VS has very little space for updated os' and upgrading the software in general, that they chose to remove dat backup and recovery as an option in order to conserve space. Tey put most of the number crunching power into recording and processing all that audio data, instead. We can be grateful for having been given relatively reliable machines, at least.
When dealing with the dat tapes, consider that the information represents single track's worth of realtime data streams - each track, each recording, each set of data concerning mixer settings, editing operations, undos, etc. is all put on the tape in linear fashion. Even if all you had was a two-track stereo song and all default settings, it would take at least twice as long as the song is long to write the backup to dat tape. - same is true of the conversion process before an audio CD can be written from the VS.
The CD write backup process was a great enhancement in both time and ease of use, so it's sort of understandable that Roland would give up the dat backup process in later recorder versions....... although I completely agree that Roland did us all no favors by ignoring the very real need for some tools (ongoing in design and function) that would allow us to keep our old recording backup schemes relevant as time went on.
That original CD burner, by the way, is about as big 'o dog as they get, isn't it? I had one for a long time..... the updated 1680 and 880 os' finally allowed us to reach its max speeds of 4x write for cd-r, 2x write for cd-rw and I think it was something like 8x read speed...... ugh!
Even the CDRII can only burn CD-RW at 4x max and read at 32x max..... I forget the max cd-r write speed at the moment. And to top it all off, there's barely another known drive that can be used to create and read backups, even if they can burn audio cds.
Is your CDRI branded?....... Is it Roland on the outside? Wonder if it's JVC burner on the inside - mine was. SO COSTLY, TOO!!
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#1573525 - 06/04/18 08:46 PM
Re: VS880 & VS1680 DAT backups to Vs2000CD
[Re: uptildawn]
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GreatGig
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Registered: 06/02/18
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Thanks again for the reply!
I have moved all the Roland machines out of my way again for now. I will get back to it in the next couple of days and let you know what ended up working for me...if anything. :-)
As for the burner, on the underside it says it's a Que!Drive? I have never heard of it. I agree a "big o' dog" alright. :-) I bought it with the VS880, so it is OLD and yes it was EXPENSIVE! Then went with the DAT (EXPENSIVE too...I think the DAT cost $1k at the time!) to speed the process up a bit, or perhaps it was the other way around? I'm not too sure since I have slept MANY nights since then.
Thanks again for all your time and help! I'll be sure to get back and let you know how things went.
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