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#1575310 - 06/21/18 02:07 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: Popmann]
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You can buy a used Motu 24io for your PC you already have....use Reaper you already have with a template 24 track directly mapped input to output.

So for $300 you have a 24 track 24/96 recorder. Buy any mixer and rack of effect processors you like to have the digital version of 40 years ago.

imagine that for a moment....and start listning all the things you do every day that you wouldnt be able to....or wouldnt easily be able to.

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#1575314 - 06/21/18 02:27 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: Popmann]
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SO you are suggesting a analog board ?? Hey that might be going too far back \:D \:o

I don't keep that good of notes \:p -- need at least the recall of the 2480 . Clients come in 3-5 years later > don't want to have to recreate the mix.

Have REAPER and PT --- certainly don't want to have to "map out" a digital board separately for each. So stick with REAPER for now ..


Will keep researching the 4 major digital boards out there --- this can't be an a extraordinary task >> the 20 year old VS can handle my jobs ~~ one fader at a time .


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#1575316 - 06/21/18 03:12 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: Popmann]
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and start listning all the things you do every day that you wouldnt be able to....or wouldnt easily be able to.



Yep >> any new board/sft purchase ==best do as much as the VS 2480 & easily. ;\)
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#1575317 - 06/21/18 03:32 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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The 2480 is a DAW---not a mixer. There's HUGE difference in a DAW and a mixer+multitrack recorder in a studio setting. It's literally redefined how studios operate and, who is capable of operating them at ALL.

All DAWs have mixers. Your Reaper machine has two right now. A hardware one....and a software one.

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#1575319 - 06/21/18 03:53 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: Popmann]
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Got ya ... I need a Physical mixer then for a DAW > to be correct .

Something that "talks" to a DAW in the PC. When I grab a pan or fader knob ~~ I want the corresponding track to activate in the DAW .. View the screen in that DAW > with movements created from the hardware mixer. Not a mouse



SO ;; none of the suggested MFG mixers will do this process -- let me mix my tracks with their mixer ?? For $2000 + they can't achieve this in todays tech ?? I think the Presonus will come closest ..


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#1575322 - 06/21/18 04:09 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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I can't be the only one that records without a physical mixer around here ... Could not even begin to knock out mixes for clients without our 36 channels via the faders ...
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#1575325 - 06/21/18 05:05 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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maybe lets approwch this a different way. i have a 2480, 24 track recorder. i want to mix it on my $60k Tree custom desk. Why doesnt this stupid machine have 24 outputs....or inouts that dont go through a shitty cheap preamp?

what would your answer to me be? i mean, what kind of shitty 24 track recorder doesnt have 24 inouts and outputs? why does this thing have shitty preamps on all the inputs?

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#1575327 - 06/21/18 05:22 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: Popmann]
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First thing would be cost -- good pre's cost --- I use a separate pre for all my vocals / acoustics.


But the 2480 pre's are decent enough for my productions.. I mean how clean our the TRS out the back of all our Kurzweils ...??

But I understand -- the AKAI /ROLAND /TASCAM are self-contained DAW's

--Was hoping the PRESONUS would work the same ... You know, access the Studio One -- talk perfectly well to the board == back and forth.. Although their literature seems to say so in many ways.
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#1575330 - 06/21/18 06:16 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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you CAN return the audio to the studioLive. you dont need their software for that. that still doesnt mean it works the same.

the system i rec’d literally DOES work like a 2480 or certainly as close as you will ever come. you have sixteen mic inputs that are latency free and “live” all the time...you can sync the kurzeils’s sequencer....you can use the same faders and knobs to controll input and playback channels....why do you keep looking for another solution?

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#1575332 - 06/21/18 06:18 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: Popmann]
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It's close -- just not tape ... Just last year we were mixing down to a Masterlink --- So yes > big jump to REAPER -- but only to a 2 channel template.


Still sync our keyboard and mixdown with the extra 16 channels -- like the 1989/90 setup. Always adding tracks for the final. No WAV editing .. just as stream lined as possible > Well, more like 30 years ago.
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#1575335 - 06/21/18 06:21 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: Popmann]
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 Originally Posted By: Popmann
you CAN return the audio to the studioLive. you dont need their software for that. that still doesnt mean it works the same.

the system i rec’d literally DOES work like a 2480 or certainly as close as you will ever come. you have sixteen mic inputs that are latency free and “live” all the time...you can sync the kurzeils’s sequencer....you can use the same faders and knobs to controll input and playback channels....why do you keep looking for another solution?


Wait what system are you using ?? I thought it was LOGIC .. We tried the digital Mackie board with LOGIC before -- not fun ...
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#1575343 - 06/21/18 07:52 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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"rec'd" or recommended is not what I use. You have VERY different requirements than I do. I don't have a need to emulate how a 2480 worked....or have 16 live inputs for a rack of samplers....or control the input hardware mixer and playback software mixer from the same set of faders and buttons.
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#1575371 - 06/22/18 12:51 AM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: Popmann]
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Thanks JAMIE -- Yes, our requirements are totally different . We are more of turn-key ~~ don't change horses in the middle of the stream -- get it done ~~ no fuss~~ here's your CD ..




So I will wait to hear back from Sweetwater or Presonus .. left word with both ...


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#1575414 - 06/22/18 01:05 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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i meant functional requiements of the jobs we do with them. not whether we can put an outfit together that arent labeled with little animals on the tags.
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#1575421 - 06/22/18 01:32 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: Popmann]
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that aren't labeled with little animals on the tags.


Lost me there POP --- we are somewhat old school -- but never found the little animal tags >> would be nice on our 3 snakes -- to identify though ;\)
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#1575430 - 06/22/18 02:23 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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#1575431 - 06/22/18 02:29 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: gonzo]
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The 1970s reference lost on the old guy. Funny.
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#1575438 - 06/22/18 03:12 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: Popmann]
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The 1970s reference lost on the old guy. Funny.
Guess I am a little too old --- never heard that one ...must be the Midwest upbringin'

Although a good portion of the 70's I was on the road -- by 75 living up in Tahoe >> so isolated some.


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#1575440 - 06/22/18 03:17 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: gonzo]
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your bass are belong to us.



Wish I played guitars -- \:D

the Taylor records well --

the 67 Coronado was my fav 12 string ... jangley Byrds ~~ right off the wall


Strat is new -- so clean electronics --

Ephi bass has nice tone --

Danelectro 12 is easy to play > the clients say..

new pegs on the mando now

Sure I have told the story = how they came into the studios "possession" \:o


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#1575443 - 06/22/18 03:41 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: Popmann]
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maybe lets approwch this a different way. i have a 2480, 24 track recorder. i want to mix it on my $60k Tree custom desk. Why doesnt this stupid machine have 24 outputs....or inouts that dont go through a shitty cheap preamp?

what would your answer to me be? i mean, what kind of shitty 24 track recorder doesnt have 24 inouts and outputs? why does this thing have shitty preamps on all the inputs?


I think its all USB /FW now --at least on the specs ... one cable to your awaiting sft ... Yes, you still need the pres in the board -- some are better than others -- agreed ..

XMAX™ preamps .. MIDAS ... Behringer brand


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#1575444 - 06/22/18 03:49 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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In June 1997, Mackie accused Behringer of trademark and trade dress infringement, and brought suit seeking $327M in damages[14][18] but such claims were later rejected by the court. In their suit, Mackie said that Behringer had a history of copying products by other manufacturers and selling them as their own.[19] The Mackie suit detailed an instance, in which Behringer was sued by Aphex Systems for copying the Aural Exciter Type F—in that case Aphex Systems won 690,000 Deutsche Mark.[19] The Mackie suit also mentioned similar cases filed by BBE, dbx and Drawmer.[19] On 30 November 1999, the U.S. District Court in Seattle, Washington, dismissed Mackie claims that Behringer had infringed on Mackie copyrights with its MX 8000 mixer, noting that circuit schematics are not covered by copyright laws.[20][21][22]

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#1575446 - 06/22/18 04:25 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: gonzo]
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I do remember the Mackie suite -- I had a 22 ch Behringer then ..
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#1575470 - 06/22/18 09:23 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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Sometimes I wonder about all the newest methods available --all the editing / plugins I have never heard or tried ...


But then again -- the pleasure of recording nearly the same for 30 years > makes it so smooth for client and engineer. Less options gets the job finished on time and one just concentrates on the song == not tweaking for hours on a 4 minute song .

Just love the creativity of the 60/70's and the industry had nothing near > what I have now ~~ Since 1990, I have only added tracks.

CTRL Z being the most extraordinary tool so far


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#1575473 - 06/22/18 10:15 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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Do you think the recordings you make rival the fidelity or euphony of a 1976 recording on vinyl? Or putting the 1/2" master tape up?

 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go


Just love the creativity of the 60/70's and the industry had nothing near > what I have now


we can agree what they had in terms of instruments and recording gear was indeed "nothing near" what you have.

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#1575474 - 06/22/18 10:29 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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So I will wait to hear back from Sweetwater or Presonus .. left word with both ...


Maybe after the fifth time this answer will come back differently. If there was only someone here with hundreds of hours of experience on their mixers, Capture and Studio One...
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#1575478 - 06/22/18 10:45 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: Popmann]
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Do you think the recordings you make rival the fidelity or euphony of a 1976 recording on vinyl? Or putting the 1/2" master tape up?

 Originally Posted By: C Jo Go


Just love the creativity of the 60/70's and the industry had nothing near > what I have now


we can agree what they had in terms of instruments and recording gear was indeed "nothing near" what you have.


Not even 1% -- Agreed -- But, then I will never suggest that I have the quality of a piece of vinyl .. Wouldn't even try to come up to their performances ... I can only listen to the classics and honor them for their lasting enjoyment they bring my ears .. d


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#1575479 - 06/22/18 10:49 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: motown59]
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So I will wait to hear back from Sweetwater or Presonus .. left word with both ...


Maybe after the fifth time this answer will come back differently. If there was only someone here with hundreds of hours of experience on their mixers, Capture and Studio One...


Sorry about that \:o -- thought I had the machine of my dreams -- got several conflicting definitions in the thread.

No one seemed to confirm the board & its functions = concrete.

Anyone with even 10 hours of hands on === would be welcomed ...

Need to contact the MFG -- the answers are surely there... ;\)

One thing great about Sweetwater -- you ain't happy > send it back ...


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#1575480 - 06/22/18 10:55 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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#1575483 - 06/22/18 11:02 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: motown59]
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Was just asking ( and it was my thread for a change \:o ) Thought someone would have a answer or send me a path to go down .... You know me and rabbit holes ... \:D
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#1575512 - 06/23/18 10:33 AM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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where do you see conflicting info?
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#1575516 - 06/23/18 11:29 AM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: Popmann]
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And the reason I ask is that I don’t see it. I see what someone might perceive as contradictory, but it’s not.

Articulate what you find contradictory in any thread here about Presonus gear.

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#1575517 - 06/23/18 11:42 AM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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Was just asking ( and it was my thread for a change \:o ) Thought someone would have a answer or send me a path to go down .... You know me and rabbit holes ... \:D


Right...
We’ve been over this a few times however. You don’t want to learn something new that would transcend the abilities you have because you don’t want increased performance, just a replacement for the aging and unsupported 2480.

I say quit inquiring, don’t sell your backup. Nurse that thing along, like a 2003 Honda Accord and keep making money with the existing setup. Like the Accord, It gets you to your destination. Unlike the Honda, when the faders die on the Roland, there’s no “Joe's Fader shop” to put you back on the road.

The $1500 you’d spend on an SL1642 board is just lost income on your fixed income budget. If none of your clients are disappointed in your product, you’re happy with the product and prefer a complex kludgy cable module mess, why change, or have to learn something elegantly simple to do the same jobs? You’ve already stated a zillion times how you do your work. Pop has pointed out how archaic your setup is.

For me, as I get older, I want less crap, less cables, less tracks, lighter, smaller. If that also comes with increased performance, fantastic! Even the very first things I did on the original SL2442 into capture were significantly better than working hard on the 2480. I seriously doubt any of your clients care that you have 26 tracks of drums or keys coming from a box. That’s your MO, not their demands or desires. Nobody coming in with their guitar is impressed with how many modules, racks or cables you have hooked up. They just want their songs to come to life. So, the complications and unwillingness to learn or simplify is all of your making.
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#1575519 - 06/23/18 12:09 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: motown59]
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It's ironic, to me, that his MIDI centric production stylings....and focus on doing everything "super fast" (i.e., leaving the monitors plugged up through a latent mastering chain)....would literally benefit more from the DAW/MIDI/Sampler consolidation than most.
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#1575521 - 06/23/18 12:18 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: motown59]
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If none of your clients are disappointed in your product, you’re happy with the product and prefer a complex kludgy cable module mess, why change, or have to learn something elegantly simple to do the same jobs? You’ve already stated a zillion times how you do your work. Pop has pointed out how archaic your setup is.


I guess its all I have know for 30 years ... not that I love it or its a end all .

It maybe elegantly simple for some. \:o Having just moved over to a 2 track stereo mixdown in Reaper > has been the biggest change. A foot out of archaic ~~ you might say.

The kludgy cables from the snake of drums /horn/string arrangements out of our archaic keys, is not at all perfect ;\) --But the path is all we have had setup ~~ over the years.

Never tried another avenue == mainly because its not that simple for us. Think of never recording in a modern computer software > its a challenge , to say the least. It all hiding behind screens /menus....

It not that we are unwilling > just have no idea how to begin. Luckily BEAR was kind to setup our Reaper > years back.
With the 2480 = if a problem arises its a physical cable you can trace or generally a knob/ fader to grab. We setup a template at the beginning > rarely had to sway in 20 years. NOW That's elegantly simple

Drums all come in from those klugdy cables 9-16 on the inputs = toms/snare/etc always the same inputs with preset general eq /effects.

We have a full Pro Tools sitting in our tower -- still never have been able to get to talk our A/D. (Engineers have to bring their own DIGI 002 interfaces here. )


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#1575522 - 06/23/18 12:30 PM Re: Letting go of one of the 2480's [Re: C Jo Go]
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You learned digital photography and Photoshop. So, you can’t convince me that Studio One software would be more difficult. And, I’m not telling you that at this age and phase of your life, you should be put through the uncomfortable position of having to learn something new that would only do what you’re already doing.

There’s nothing wrong with driving a 2003 Honda Accord if it gets you to your gigs and the movie theater


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