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#1575771 - 06/26/18 12:06 PM Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey
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I got hired for some session work at studio in Sarasota; 3-horn section parts and a sax solo for some chick's album.

The producer/engineer set me up a Shure KSM 27...



First off, in my headphones it sounded crisp and woody, no mid-rangey nasal, no blanket-over-the-mic effect...the kinda sound I'm always seeking. I wondered if it was the cans?

2nd off I went into the control room to listen back....it wasn't the cans. MAN did my sax sound like I wanna sound....more so than pretty much anything in my drawer.

3rdly recording room? small, high ceiling, treated for little-to-no room-ambiance, literally MUCH like my home studio. So it wasnt that.

I didn't axe about the mic-pre, but I have a pretty transparent signal path with a Focusrite Twin Track Pro at the helm.....it makes all my mics sound more better, more sweeter, more finer. I think this would be no exception. But yes, I realize a 5k Avalon or Grace or some Popman suggestion thats so outta my budget I'd never heard of it would prolly make me fall in love with a 57....still, this KSM 27 gotta be mostly responsible.

Theres a broken one for sale on Reverb.com HERE that I'm inclined to get & try to repair.....replace the capsule? I don't know that the repair fee would beat even a used price, but I'm tempted to try as I'm chronically broke (as it pertains to more gear that is....nobody is hungry or cold at our house...you guys have similar situations I'm sure...)


Anyhoo....wow. Uze guyz got experience with these?



Edited by JazAddict (06/26/18 12:07 PM)
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#1575774 - 06/26/18 12:16 PM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: JazAddict]
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i use a shure KSM44 as a main vocal mic,
but actually works on EVERYTHING.

great mic

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#1575776 - 06/26/18 12:44 PM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: gonzo]
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I wonder the difference? I know, I know, google it
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#1575779 - 06/26/18 01:06 PM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: JazAddict]
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theyre built to be disposed of....the capsule in an LDC is most of the cost and nearly all the sonics. Also for that reason, it wont be related to the 44. but i bring it up because its nev r worth repairing modrn LDCs....and you will pay UUUGGE money to repair a vintage one.

while i know it was a joke, nothing made me fall in love with a 57. i know people whose experienced opinion differs.

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#1575784 - 06/26/18 02:17 PM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: Popmann]
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http://www.shure.com/americas/products/m...ragm-microphone
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#1575797 - 06/26/18 04:05 PM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: gonzo]
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Eek! A grand.
27 is 300
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#1575799 - 06/26/18 04:14 PM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: Popmann]
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 Originally Posted By: Popmann
theyre built to be disposed of....the capsule in an LDC is most of the cost and nearly all the sonics. Also for that reason, it wont be related to the 44. but i bring it up because its nev r worth repairing modrn LDCs....and you will pay UUUGGE money to repair a vintage one.

while i know it was a joke, nothing made me fall in love with a 57. i know people whose experienced opinion differs.


Figured as much.... I'll just keep an eye out for one used that still works. I'm shure I'd love the 44.....and many other thousand dollar mics :shrug;
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#1575801 - 06/26/18 04:19 PM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: JazAddict]
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The KSM32 is more like the 27 than the 44 is.
Also, the SM81 is a pretty close cousin to the KSM 27/32. I see 27s on craigslist all the time.
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#1575807 - 06/26/18 04:45 PM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: motown59]
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44 is worth every penny.
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#1575835 - 06/26/18 08:23 PM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: gonzo]
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I have a bunch of experience with the KSM 32, very favorable. _m
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#1575837 - 06/26/18 09:03 PM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: Marty Gilman]
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I owned the 27 and 44 for awhile, very familiar with the 32.

The 32 was like the anti-Chinese mic. No high end peakiness, sibilance/hashiness, etc.
FWIW, it's a mid sized diaphragm.

The 44 is pretty pristine, open, clean clear, very nice mic. A mic that seemed like it for less money is the Rode NT2000. I never shot them out but it reminded me of the 44, not that it's as good or not or whatever. Just one person's thoughts. But I'd take the 44 over it as far as I remember.

The 27 is a good,solid mic and I would describe it as a bit dry. I don't mean that in a bad way. Good for if the room isn't the best, and while I have never recorded a sax, I could see why it would be really good on it.

In all, they are build like tanks and quality tools, IMO. They are not character mics, but unlike some character mics, seem to work for most applications. Really can't go wrong with any of them.
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#1575844 - 06/26/18 11:30 PM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: MadGuitrst]
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 Originally Posted By: MadGuitrst
I have never recorded a sax


WHAT????? How DARE you sir? Sax is required in all recordings, period, full stop.

Also, I'm reading that the 32 is a Large (not medium) diaphram condensor.




Edited by JazAddict (06/26/18 11:33 PM)
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#1575848 - 06/27/18 12:55 AM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: JazAddict]
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Nope, it's a 3/4 of an inch diaphragm , those lousy marketing ploys (the AT 4033 isn't a LD either)!

http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/Shure/KSM32

But that doesn't mean the capsule is inferior in any way. In fact, it's pretty interesting.

Also, the capsules for the 32, 44 and 27 are edge terminated. Usually edge terminated capsules, instead of center terminated, are found in cleaner, clearer mics and/or mics with more hi end emphasis, such as the AKG 414, C12, ELA M 251, etc.

A little something on large vs small diaphragms:
https://www.dpamicrophones.com/mic-university/large-vs-small-diaphragms-in-omnidirectional-mics

Another thing of note is that the electronics are SMT (surface mount technology) and they are transformerless too.
That would be enough to get you crucified by old school purists, who believe only point to point wiring, appropriate transformers, and unicorn tubes must be used for a mic to be proper. FWIW, the Rode mics use SMT as do the newer Neumann offerings. I've got both, like both, would probably never buy another tube mic for home use....too many other good options without the possible tube hassles. Also, the electronics of the smt/tfm allow designers to get ridiculously low noise specs. The mics are so quiet it's like you can hear the air. With all of that said, I do love some of the standards of yesteryear, and their clones.

As for recording a sax, well....
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#1575892 - 06/27/18 04:19 PM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: MadGuitrst]
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 Originally Posted By: MadGuitrst


The 32 was like the anti-Chinese mic. No high end peakiness, sibilance/hashiness, etc.
FWIW, it's a mid sized diaphragm.
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Agreed. The 32 is a fantastic mic for the price, and built like a tank. While it's no longer my go to mic for vocals, it still shines over most Chinese mics. Oh, and it IS my go to for overheads almost 100% of the time. The blend is very round. Great mic.

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#1575895 - 06/27/18 04:45 PM Re: Shure KSM27 Holy Schnikey [Re: powermac]
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Good info fellers. That 27 is better on my budget
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