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#1580140 - 08/06/18 04:35 PM Mastering Tips Needed!
Hohaus Offline
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Hi all,
It's really great to see this site going. I've had my studio in boxes for awhile but it's now up and going.

I need help. My songs sound great in the studio but upon several attempts with the MTKs, my discs sound like flat demos with no punch shimmer or sheen.

Any input greatly appreaciated.

Haus

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#1580141 - 08/06/18 04:36 PM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: Hohaus]
Hohaus Offline
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VS 2480
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#1580158 - 08/06/18 05:19 PM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: Hohaus]
Coda123 Offline
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I noticed the same,
I think the mix buss gets overloaded when doing complex mixes
When I do simple mixes (3-6 tracks) seems more of a stereo spread is there and more top end shine,
Could just be my poor mastering process also
No tips sorry other than listen with different speakers in studio and at low and high volumes
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#1580235 - 08/07/18 09:16 AM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: Coda123]
keeppracticing Offline
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You really need at least one VS8F-3 card and T-Racks Mastering Dynamics & Mastering EQ. The VS8F-2 board fx are far inferior to the plugins (that's why the 3 cards & plugins cost so much - huge difference in quality.)
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#1580383 - 08/08/18 03:13 AM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: keeppracticing]
Big Ian Offline
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There is a great deal of info on the internet about mastering and worth reading. From what you are saying about your mixes sounding flat it sounds like you are hitting the compressor/limiter with far too high a level and its squashing the life out of it.

Ian

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#1580570 - 08/09/18 01:58 PM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: Big Ian]
Steve Phillips Offline
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You can also mix to the PC via the digital outs and master there with software such as T-Racks. That assumes you have a digital in on the PC. You can use the MTK during mix down for basic shaping. For PC capture you can use Audacity, which is free, if you don't have something you prefer already.
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#1580733 - 08/10/18 08:03 PM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: Steve Phillips]
Hohaus Offline
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Good god! Awesome on the info. Thanks. Has any body just burned a CD and let a mastering house to master it? Any good?
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#1580750 - 08/10/18 11:22 PM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: Hohaus]
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You can benefit most from a mastering house, if you can send them files that are the highest sample and bit rate you originally use to record - they often welcome the opportunity to master at high rates and then apply any downsampling and/or dither to 16 bits at the very last step... Many mastering houses welcome "stem" tracks (mixed down track groups, such as a stereo drum mix, stereo rhythm guitars, etc.) - cost would be accordingly determined, I'm sure.

The simplest mastering would be to take your premastered mix tracks and put the final polish on them..... that includes dither, if required, so don't bother to dither as part of your premastering process if you plan to send something out for mastering that's 24 bit. 16 bit files won't require dither at any step of the processing.
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#1580795 - 08/11/18 05:02 PM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: uptildawn]
blair Offline
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here's an example of a tune that i've mixed and mastered myself, not a final mix, but since were discussing mastering i thought i'd throw this up. I am curious to know how it sounds to some of you guys on your systems. Please feel free to comment, since it's all about learning. cheers song

Edited by blair (08/11/18 05:03 PM)

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#1580817 - 08/12/18 09:15 AM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: blair]
Coda123 Offline
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Sounds right up there with the big boys, good job
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#1580832 - 08/12/18 11:38 AM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: blair]
an1971 Offline
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Witaj. brzmi to profesjonalnie na moich monitorach Alesis M1 mk2 i Behringer B 3031a. dobry miks
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#1580833 - 08/12/18 11:52 AM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: an1971]
Big Ian Offline
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Blair, sounds really good.

Ian

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#1580834 - 08/12/18 11:59 AM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: blair]
powermac Offline
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Sounds great Blair! What are you using to master?
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#1580852 - 08/12/18 03:50 PM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: powermac]
blair Offline
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Glad you asked. I mix out to my PC using the rbus 1&2, into wavelab elements. This particular project that I am working on is recorded 44.1 24bit, i set wavelab to record at 32 float bitrate, before i save i trim the beginning and fade outs or trim the ending, then save. So many plugins to work with for sweeting the file.... I use the TDR Tokyo Dawn collection, in particular their Slick EQ GE edition and Kotelnikov Mastering Compressor GE edition, which i place on the Final effect/dithering section. These plugins are some of the best. And they have a real nice feature that learns the eq pattern of the file and recommends a starting point. Worth checking out. thanks for listening, more songs to follow.........
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#1580877 - 08/13/18 08:46 AM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: blair]
croaky Offline
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Send me the stems/tracks and Ill have a go at mastering it!

Frank

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#1580896 - 08/13/18 01:20 PM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: croaky]
blair Offline
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Edited by blair (08/14/18 06:17 AM)

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#1581023 - 08/14/18 03:03 PM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: blair]
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 Originally Posted By: blair
. I use the TDR Tokyo Dawn collection, in particular their Slick EQ GE edition and Kotelnikov Mastering Compressor GE edition, which i place on the Final effect/dithering section. These plugins are some of the best. And they have a real nice feature that learns the eq pattern of the file and recommends a starting point. Worth checking out. thanks for listening, more songs to follow.........
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#1581025 - 08/14/18 03:29 PM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: blair]
powermac Offline
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 Originally Posted By: blair
I use the TDR Tokyo Dawn collection, in particular their Slick EQ GE edition and Kotelnikov Mastering Compressor GE edition, which i place on the Final effect/dithering section. These plugins are some of the best. And they have a real nice feature that learns the eq pattern of the file and recommends a starting point. Worth checking out. thanks for listening, more songs to follow.........


Just did a quick overview of the TDR Tokyo Dawn collection, and was wondering if you were just using it for mastering and tracking with the 2480. If tracking with the 2480, how are you transferring the files?

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#1581050 - 08/14/18 06:13 PM Re: Mastering Tips Needed! [Re: powermac]
blair Offline
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No I am not using it for tracking, just on the final mastering in the pc. If i have to port a particular track over to the pc to address an issue that i can't solve in the 2480, i could use the TDR plugs. Dealing with silibance, desser or pitch correction in the pc is way easier than in the 2480. Also you can really expand on the wave graph, unlike the restrictions in the 2480, so you can clean up crap between vocal sections with fades or level changes etc... I do all my eq'ing and track compression if needed, in the 2480 while mixing down, out to the pc. My final mix is ported out of the 2480, via the master output, routing it to tracks 1 & 2 of the rbus 1 port, into the pc, into wavelab. Regardless of what bit rate i record at, i set wavelab to capture my mix in 32 bit float mode. and save that file. then add my FX's and then "render" to my final format, i make 3 copies, 16bit, 24bit and mp3 320.
Hope that helps....


Edited by blair (08/14/18 06:15 PM)

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