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#1601477 - 02/08/19 02:41 PM CD burner insisting a blank CD is full.
Rob1 Offline
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I posted this on the BR1600 page with no result. My final goal is to import WAV files into my 2480 so I figured with you guys being a little more lively I might double my chance of getting a good response. Below:

I have been delighted with my recent purchase of this 1600 until now. I would like to export a track as a WAV file. I put in my blank CD and go through the correct procedures. Every time I get a screen that says "!CD Full". This is after waiting for the "Now Writing..." screen to go away which takes long enough. My wifes BR from an earlier date writes at 24x. My top speed is 8x. Thanks for any help out there.

Recently I tried another brand of CD. I first used Staples brand. I just now used verbatim. No luck. Same thing. I don't know if it's software related or whether the burner is the problem. It imports fine, turning a CDR file into whatever the Boss 1600 uses. It's going from that file to a WAV on a CD that is the problem.

Rob


Edited by Rob1 (02/08/19 02:42 PM)

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#1602208 - 02/15/19 06:40 AM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Rob1]
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Hi ROb1, I have no experience with the BR1600, however, I have run into similar problems you describe with the Roland VS 1680 and the Vs 2480.
Without exception, each time, it was the brand of CD I was trying to feed it. I can tell you that it often took me more than 2 different brands to get it working.
There is a list, if you go to the ROLAND main site, that lists some of the brands that will work...

FYI: I just GOOGLED "CDs THAT WILL WORK WITH ROLAND BR 1600"
And the very first site that popped up was this info page from ROLAND/BOSS
I think it'll help answer your problems.

https://www.boss.info/us/support/knowledge_base/201979469/

Cheers. Please post back if it works for you

Rick (ricco)

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#1602309 - 02/15/19 07:32 PM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: ricco]
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Hey ricco, I have been to new egg and amazon looking for these special CD-R's. I can't find any of those brands. Thanks for your input. I use to have a 1680. Never had a problem with the CD burner. This 1600 is killing me. I bought "wavemaker 1600" thinking - OK cool i'll just go USB out and back up whatever song I want. Unfortunately, when you backup, it has to be the entire hard drive. Geeze!
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#1602321 - 02/15/19 08:53 PM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Rob1]
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I tried to post links to Disc Makers, Amazon, and eBay to give you, but cannot do it.

I found the Taiyo Yuden CD's and DVD's on both eBay and Amazon, and Disc Makers website has blank CD's and DVD's as well.

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#1602359 - 02/16/19 09:18 AM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Starliner]
Rob1 Offline
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Thanks Starliner. Ill try them.
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#1602897 - 02/21/19 07:48 AM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Rob1]
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I did find some Taiyo Yuden CD's on amazon. Tried them. Didn't work. So, Software or hardware? I don't know.

Thanks

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#1602902 - 02/21/19 08:31 AM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Rob1]
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I have a couple ideas about this - although I've never used the BR1600, myself.

Have you checked to see what version os you have installed in your 1600? If your 1600 is running the original version, maybe that's why your machine burns at such a slower max rate than your wife's (unless she has a different machine altogether, that is). Even though hers is from an "earlier date", it could still have a more recent os version.

After checking your own version, you might find that you could update yours - https://www.boss.info/us/support/by_product/br-1600cd/updates_drivers/ - shows the most recent version Roland issued. Maybe try installing it - and even if you already have this one installed, sometimes reinstalling an os can jog a finicky Roland back into operation. You'd also have a copy of the most recent os version on your computer, stashed away for any future need, when Roland finally decides to no longer post them at some point in time.

The other idea is this - why not take advantage of your 1600's ability to export wav files to a PC? From there, you could burn the wav files to disc very easily and reliably (use an external burner if your pc doesn't already have one, or one that works).
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#1603114 - 02/22/19 03:36 PM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: uptildawn]
Rob1 Offline
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Thanks uptildawn, I'll see if I can figure out how to check the OS version on this thing. It doesn't show you like the 2480 does upon boot up.
Also, I purchased "wavemaker 1600" on ebay. It will take whatever you backup through the USB to your computer and convert the 1600 files to wavs. The deal is, It seems you have to backup your entire drive at a snails pace.
The other option, as you mentioned is to export wavs for each track to your computer. If the burner worked I could select a bunch of tracks at a time and burn them all onto a CD. Oddly enough, you can do only one at a time using the USB cable to your computer($%^$@%&!!!!!). Very frustrating. Especially sence you have to go through a routine of connecting and then disconnecting the USB cable for every track. This is just not working out.
Originally, I just wanted a way to record away from the 2480 sense it's at another location fifty minutes away. I thought I could still do some work with my music and simply bring the wav's into the 2480.
Geeze, had I known. An interface for a laptop and Reaper is looking better to me every time I struggle with this thing. Ain't no buddy got time fo dis!

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#1603126 - 02/22/19 04:42 PM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Rob1]
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According to what I remember seeing, you can export a whole song's worth of wav files to the pc from the 1600 in one shot - I don't know how or where to find it in the manual... I just recall seeing something about it. I don't know why you would have needed to buy that wavemaker program, but I'm sure there must be something about it that makes it better, maybe.....

As you're discovering, the only way to do long distance with these machines is to have identical versions of the machines, or version groups (like a 1680 and 1880, but even that is not great).

I haven't given up my VS machines, but I hardly use them these days, except for collaborating with somebody who also has the same machines, which is rare for me. I went to pc/interface/software daw quite a few years ago. I've never understood the never ending complaints about using computers for recording - the VS is a computer, so what's new? If a person is really stuck on physical knobs and faders, they can get a midi control unit that will work with almost every pc daw......

I would think that as your 1600 boots up there must be at least some hint of a version......... I guess maybe they decided not to use the same hidden version scheme with the BRs that they did with the VSs? The VS usually uses a combination of the track 1 status and track mixer buttons held down while powering on with the power button (from cold, not standby).
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#1603177 - 02/22/19 11:05 PM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Rob1]
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Hi ROb1, Not sure if you figured out how to find the OS of your BOSS BR1600...but I did a GOOGLE search and this ROLAND BOSS site popped up...shows you how to find your version, and has links to files to update if you don't.
Surprisingly, I often find I'll go to GOOGLE and get a faster result for my question than going to my ROLAND manual(s)!
Heres the link:
https://www.roland.com/us/support/knowledge_base/201977369/

Shame only one of those CD's worked for you. Again, that was the info right off of the BOSS ROLAND BR1600 web site. I have found the burners on my VS 1690. 2480, and even the outboard SCSI burners to all cause me grief at times.

The oddest behavior they'd exhibit, is to NOT recognize, or be able to finish a burn, for attempt after attempt. Suddenly, it was as if the burner had to "warmup" , and it would burn copy after copy no problem.
No rhyme or reason. Frustrating as hell. I think UptilDawn hit the nail on the head. VirDis sounds like the way to go, and I know I'll be going that way if I plan to stay with ROLAND gear.
cheers
Rick (ricco)

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#1603205 - 02/23/19 10:53 AM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: ricco]
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Hey ricco, Checked the Boss site. I must have an older version because "version 2" does not appear under the Boss br1600 upon boot up. So, I downloaded the new version. Now I have to figure out if my lenovo t400 laptop can burn a "ISO 9600" CD because thats what the 1600 will undewrstand. Thanks, Rob
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#1603208 - 02/23/19 11:41 AM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Rob1]
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The question isn't whether or not the laptop can burn the iso disc... question should be whether or not you have burner software capable of burning an iso disc and whether or not you have a burner that works and/or can be connected to your laptop.

There are plenty of good, reliable, free burning software that can do the job and don't invade your computer deeply. Imgburn is a great program in my opinion.

I don't remember if there's any bloatware that wants to install with it, initially, but just be mindful of the possibility while installing and don't choose an automatic install, if offered. It's easy enough to spot any extra software some freebies want to install for you and mostly involve a simple unchecking of a box or two to avoid them during the install process. Hopefully, Imgburn doesn't contain any, if you choose to download it.

If you don't have an onboard burner, just about any modern usb CD/DVD burner would work great. Maybe you could find a used one for cheap at a local liquidator, or something. If the stores still bother to stock new burners, you'd probably do just as good getting a cheap usb burner at walmart, target, etc....
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#1603247 - 02/23/19 08:39 PM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: uptildawn]
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Hey uptildawn, the laptop has a built in burner. Yeah, I'll see about that software. And be wary about the extra stuff they'll want to load on my computer. Thanks, Rob

By the way, on the subject of the 1176 plug in. I panned the bass track left and right and both sides get equal compression. I feel like I'm getting a stereo compressor out of it. The stereo field isn't messed up. There is no option to use it any other way but stereo in the mastering room. Yet I know in the real world, to have and hold one, it is a mono unit. Go figure?!?!

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#1603320 - 02/24/19 06:42 PM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Rob1]
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So uptildawn, I downloaded imgburn. I burned a CD. The thing is, I didn't see anything that said ISO 9660. Is the 9660 part assumed? I did see ISO+Juliet and that's how I burned it. Am I safe to assume that's a ISO 9660 burn? If so I'm ready to update the OS on my 1600.


Edited by Rob1 (02/24/19 06:43 PM)

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#1603327 - 02/24/19 07:52 PM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Rob1]
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I assume that you have version ImgBurn v2.5.8.0, since it's the most current - it's also the one I am using.
When I open the program, I see a selection of choices, with icons. On the right I see create image file from files/folders. That's what I would choose and yes - the default settings will give you the correct type of iso file.

Just one thing - did your download come in a compressed/zipped folder from Roland's website, or is it already an iso image, ready to be burned to disc? If it's already an iso file, then choose that imgburn choice and burn away. If it's in a zipped foler, you need to extract/unzip that folder and then burn the file, or files to an iso image.

But, yeah - if you've just burned what you think is an iso image to disc, by all means try loading it into the 1600, using whatever process steps they tell you to use (powering up sequence, etc.). You certainly can't hurt anything by trying it and will only have to try burning it differently, if your disc isn't correct for the 1600.
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#1603357 - 02/25/19 10:57 AM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: uptildawn]
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Rob's continuing story:

Uptildawn- I went to the official "imgburn" site and downloaded the burning software "Express Burn by NCH software". I burned an "ISO+Juliet" CD. I installed the new OS version 2.2 into the br1600.
In the process the screen read: old version 1.01 2004 so that is what I had. So I installed the new version 2.20 2009 (Oooo moving up here!)
Long story short, it worked.
Unfortunately, after all this my write speed is still 8x.
I put in a CD. Pick four tracks from a song to convert to wavs. Hit the button. I'm pretty hopeful because it is taking longer to do it's thing. Then I notice something familiar when the CD burner starts doing its thing. It starts behaving like it did before. That is, it kicks in, speeds up and I hear a resonance that comes and goes a few times maybe five. Then the ugly but familiar screen pops up. "CD Full!" To which I respond $#!%&^$!!!
Well, I have eliminated the crappy CD by buying expensive made in japan ones. Didn't work. I have installed the new os. Didn't work. I doubt that the hard drive needs reformatting, there is not that much on it. If I replace the damn drive and that's not it, I'm gonna blow a gasket.
Thanks for your help. We're doing the right thing. Just to no avail. Yet.
The most frustrating thing for me to face is - why put anything on this machine if its gonna take forever to get something out of it to transfer to the 2480? So far it's coming up with a big fat zero.
To be continued


Edited by Rob1 (02/25/19 11:14 AM)

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#1603365 - 02/25/19 12:50 PM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Rob1]
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Well, glad you got some burning software to work for burning the iso - for the record, nch was not the one I had in mind. You clicked on the big download button for an nch ad. The imgburn software links are further down the page, with the newest one being - ImgBurn v2.5.8.0 Released!

As long as nch works and it didn't install bloatware, then no harm done.

Glad you got the updated os installed, too. That's a positive for sure.

Your write speed being limited to 8x may be a limitation of the burner brand/model (could be - I know it probably doesn't make sense, considering the faster speed of the other machine - is that the same as yours?).

The br1600 has a built-in burner, right? You bought it used, right? Could it be that somebody before you had burner issues and replaced the original with a different model - slower speed, even?

I also doubt this is a hard drive issue - I wouldn't bother replacing it. Although, if you've backed up your projects at least to a state that you can recover from mishaps during troubleshooting, you might see if the br1600 has "Drive Check", or some sort of hard drive defrag function. I'm familiar with drive check... Drive Check will find and "fix" any errors it discovers and it's possible that running it could fix an issue that causes the burner process to falter - although I don't know what.

Be aware that drive check will "fix" errors by eliminating them entirely. If it finds errors in the recorded audio data, which could happen without you having issues, then it could end up deleting the bits of audio data it has to fix. In my experience, it's only happened that I lost audio data a couple of times and never big chunks and fortunately, never on audio that was in play. But I've run it a number of times where the only issues found and fixed were internal non-audio data. Once or twice resulting in the freeing up of space I saw was gone and should not have been.

I understand how you feel about putting anything new on the 1600, if it's going to be plagued with issues, but I suppose if it were me, I'd still want to at least get the data off of it that's already there and matters to me. Maybe you can just re-record the audio tracks (like bouncing) to a 2480 or a pc daw directly through either the analog or digital audio outputs and be done with it.
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Fred Hersch Trio
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#1603397 - 02/25/19 08:43 PM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: uptildawn]
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Hey uptildawn, So, I spent the day backing up the 1600 to my computer and initializing the hard drive on the 1600. I then recorded some bogus feedback on track one just so i'd have a wav to export to a quality CD and guess what. Same old "CD full" came up again. So, now I've done everything but replace the CD burner. I see them for sale on ebay for $50. Do I dare?

I've been looking for youtubes or anything that would show how to take this thing apart but haven't found anything yet.

I did find out that you can backup one song at a time on the 1600 through a USB to your computer. I previously thought you had to do the entire hard drive. I doubt that the 2480 will understand it but I can use the wavemaker 1600 software to make wavs from this backup. That's all good. Still.

My next step is to disassemble this little beast and clean some contacts and possibly reflow some solder. Then retry the burn. If that's a no go, I'll have to decide if I want to spend $50 on a refurbished drive on ebay.

It's difficult finding anything about taking this little beast apart. So many screws so little time.


Edited by Rob1 (02/25/19 09:08 PM)

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#1603400 - 02/25/19 10:16 PM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Rob1]
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There might be a possibility that Roland would point you to a service manual, or at least maybe make copies of the overview of the parts and parts list???????.......... I don't know, but might be worth calling their tech dept.

If you can use the wavemaker software to make wav files of your 1600 tracks, there's no reason why the 2480 couldn't import those from a disc easy enough. They should be standard wav files, right?

If you take it apart and clean it up, don't spray cleaner in the fader slider pots..... it can ruin them.

If you end up buying a burner, do make certain that the model will be compatible with the 1600 to burn BACKUPS. Many burners can probably burn audio discs, but the Rolands are very finicky about burning backups.

You may still never get above the 8x burn speed, but hey! If you can get it to burn a readable backup, you're in business.
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Pharoah Sanders Quartet
Fred Hersch Trio
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#1603411 - 02/26/19 08:46 AM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: uptildawn]
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The burner is being sold as a 1600 refurbished replacement on ebay. I figure (if I have to go that route) it should work.

Good thinking. I will get in touch with Roland. And yes I can import wav's to the 2480 that the 1600 wavemaker will provide. I just don't want to hook up a computer every time to do a backup. I'm getting lazy in my old age.

Thanks for your response. I'll let you know how it goes if your still here. This seems like kid of a ghost town. You me and ricco. Why back in the day ........

Take care.

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#1603743 - 02/28/19 02:58 PM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Rob1]
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Opened it up and cleaned the connectors. No luck. Same old "CD full!" with a blank made in Japan CD. I have the new software version, Japan CDs, newly cleaned hard drive and the proper power supply. Thats everything except a new burner. Well, I hope that will do it.
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#1604549 - 03/06/19 05:32 PM Re: CD burner insisting a blank CD is full. [Re: Rob1]
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I ordered the ebay 1600 burner. Will be here by March 25th. I'll change it out and see what happens. Perhaps I'll do a youtube video for anyone who may be like me and could find no info anywhere on the internet.
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