#1605656 - 03/16/19 12:25 AM
Bouncing stereo to mono
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VSOP
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I'm still learning stereo vs mono. Are you able to bounce 2 stereo tracks down to 1 mono track? Both stereo tracks in question are already panned.
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#1605666 - 03/16/19 01:25 AM
Re: Bouncing stereo to mono
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uptildawn
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You could do that - bounce stereo tracks to one mono track...... Of course, it won't be in stereo anymore, so any affect that the panning had on the sound will be lost. If one mono track is what you truly want to end up with, be sure to check your reduction down for things like phase cancellations - comb filtering sounds - and any loss in certain frequencies, or bumps in certain frequencies. Also, depth of field, front to back, will be altered as well.
One way to hear how it might turn out before actually assigning the bounce might be to temporarily switch your monitoring system to mono. Unfortunately, the VS doesn't have a stereo/mono switch in the master section, or it would be a simple test for mono compatibility (for instance), before committing to a mix.
You can probably test the eventual results of the bounce before recording it with the right combination of switches and faders - although at the moment I can't think of how to do it on the VS. Or you could just try a bounce, check the result by soloing the bounce in playback and the using UNDO to dump it, if you don't hear good results.... Then make adjustments based on your results and try again until you succeed.
Since the VS always outputs a stereo result through its main, monitor and headphone outputs, your mono result could be thought of as "dual mono" - left and right containing identical sounds.
Edited by uptildawn (03/16/19 01:26 AM)
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#1605689 - 03/16/19 06:55 AM
Re: Bouncing stereo to mono
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VSOP
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Thank you. You should write a paperback.
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#1605708 - 03/16/19 03:11 PM
Re: Bouncing stereo to mono
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magirusholger
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Well while you're only checking how your mono bounce will sound, there's no need to actually record it yet.
Route your stereo tracks to a mono track (say track 8), and make sure this mono track's LED is orange - you'll hear the mono sum of your stereo tracks.
If it sounds the way you want it, for recording the bounce, just change the LED to red.
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#1605711 - 03/16/19 03:45 PM
Re: Bouncing stereo to mono
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uptildawn
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I was trying to remember how that works with the 1680 and whether or not you'd need to do any special muting or pre vs post routing of the bounce tracks just to monitor the sound to test it out first. If it's as simple as magirusholger says, then that's the way to go for sure. I was afraid there might be mixing of the two signals - source and destination - when trying to monitor before recording.
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#1605713 - 03/16/19 03:46 PM
Re: Bouncing stereo to mono
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uptildawn
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Thank you. You should write a paperback.
Yeah - my answers are sort of novels in their own right, aren't they.
Paperback might be shorter. 
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#1605805 - 03/17/19 04:08 PM
Re: Bouncing stereo to mono
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RD
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I learned years ago from our mastering engineer to walk down the hall from the studio to see how the mix sums to mono...it's a fast way to see if one "speaker" ...the hallway...renders a nice sounding mix still...I use it all the time when I'm trying to get something done. There are, of course, good ways to accomplish this on the board etc, but a fast way to check is to run down the hall.
Hallways we're made for running in. Now I know why ;-)
Edited by RD (03/17/19 04:09 PM)
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#1606139 - 03/20/19 05:54 AM
Re: Bouncing stereo to mono
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VSOP
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How about bouncing a mono track to a stereo link. For instance: source track 6 to destination track 17/18.
In that example, would track 17/18 panning function be available with full capability?
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#1606140 - 03/20/19 06:40 AM
Re: Bouncing stereo to mono
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uptildawn
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Bouncing a mono track to a stereo link (two mono channels paired) would serve no purpose, if there is no stereo effect applied to the bounce as it is recorded. You either would end up with a mono track panned hard left or right, depending on which of the two paired channels you recorded it to, it you would have two exact replicas panned hard left and right - dual mono. Panning would actually produce no result, if it was recorded as dual mono, other than to increase or lower the volume.
Your best bet is to try these ideas you have. Experiment often and don't simply wait until you have the need for a certain result.
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