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#1445236 - 01/29/16 07:08 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: iCloudius]
ExOrg Offline
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I am having the same issue that stratmonger was having and using the 32-bit version of Reaper doesn't seem to help.

I also cannot get VSWE to work. When I drag my SONG.VR6 file into the window it won't let me. Anyone have any idea why both of these programs won't work? I have the appropriate .dll files copied and they are in the right place.

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#1445253 - 01/29/16 07:58 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: ExOrg]
ExOrg Offline
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I got it to work!

I was apparently ripping the wrong backup disc and trying to use .VR6 files that weren't the right ones. When I did the backup on my 1680 it had me insert two different discs at certain points in the backup. I ripped the one that took the longest to backup to thinking that was the one my song files were on. Nothing I tried worked with that .VR6 file, so I ripped the other CD and it took much longer to rip. I then used the 32-bit version of Reaper with the plug-in and it worked! All 8 tracks playable on the computer and rendered as WAV files, what a beautiful thing!


Edited by ExOrg (01/29/16 07:58 PM)

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#1445279 - 01/29/16 09:52 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: ExOrg]
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It sounds to me as though you're talking about having used a multi-disc backup set. The VS doesn't necessarily lay down the files in the way we might expect it to and the necessary files you needed to complete the rip were probably spread across both discs.

It also sounds as though you may have accidentally lucked out and ripped both discs to the same rip folder, without having specifically planned to do so. By ripping both discs to one folder, you managed to complete the otherwise partial rip of the multi-disc set. That's why it worked after ripping the other disc.

Congrats on the success!

Take note for future reference, though.

When ripping a multi-disc backup, definitely rip the two discs into the same rip destination as you did. That will cause the multi-disc backup to accumulate all necessary files into one folder.

However, when ripping multiple single disc backups, always be sure to rename each rip folder (the one or ones inside the main rip folder) from a disc (whether it's one SONG or multiple SONGS on a single disc), after the rip and before ripping another disc to the main rip destination. If you don't, then chances are the next rip will overwrite some of the files ripped from the disc before and your SONG rips will be scrambled. This is when using the Rip utility from a batch file.

When using the rip utility from VSWE, then use the optional tick box to uncheck the "Overwrite Files Each Time" command before ripping more than one backup disc of SONGS that only take up one disc. This will then cause each new rip to be created in a newly named rip destination folder.


I hope that makes sense. If not and you ask, I will create an example to explain it better.

Anyway, glad you got it to work, ExOrg!
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#1503310 - 11/14/16 05:18 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: uptildawn]
jwinn256 Offline
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This worked like a champ in Windows 10 just now. Thanks to those who created this solution! (Paypal contribution sent)

I used the 32-bit version of Reaper and had to use MS Edge browser to get the files from ps136.com to download. Chrome wouldn't do it - it was convinced the files were malware due to the .zip extension and relatively small number of downloads for these files.

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#1514320 - 01/15/17 08:58 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: FunkyBeat]
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Sooooo I recorded a live session today on my 1680, 8 tracks for about 34 minutes, stopped the recording then added about another 20 minutes (8 tracks) after the initial 34. Saved everything, played it back, everything was there on the 1680, the full length, all that I recorded. I then popped out the drive, plugged it into my PC, fired up VS WAV EXPORT, it recognizes the drive perfectly yet I got the following error codes and only the original 34 minutes were there, heres the error codes, please advise I need to get the rest of these tracks into my PC as well:
Undefined Evententry 17 in Trackevents at T1-1 00:34:25 [@1124] ignored.
Undefined Evententry 19 in Trackevents at T2-1 00:34:25 [@1540] ignored.
Undefined Evententry 21 in Trackevents at T3-1 00:34:25 [@1956] ignored.
Undefined Evententry 23 in Trackevents at T4-1 00:34:25 [@2372] ignored.
Undefined Evententry 25 in Trackevents at T5-1 00:34:25 [@2788] ignored.
Undefined Evententry 27 in Trackevents at T6-1 00:34:25 [@3204] ignored.
Undefined Evententry 29 in Trackevents at T7-1 00:34:25 [@3620] ignored.
Undefined Evententry 31 in Trackevents at T8-1 00:34:25 [@4036] ignored.

Thank you! Carl
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#1531490 - 05/22/17 11:02 AM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: BluRdrCarl]
mike gouthro Offline
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Back in 2010 I used Bear's Reaper/Ripper tool on a 1680 backup disc and created a folder with a SONG.VR6 file along with multiple TAKE files.

I also downloaded the VS plugin: "reaper_vs.dll" and was then able to use Reaper to work on the 1680 songs.

I still have the SONG.VR6 folder and I want to do more work.

Because I replaced my PC a couple of years ago, I no longer have the "reaper_vs.dll" plugin.

Toady I tried to reacquire reaper_vs.dll from:

http://www.ps139.com/vs880ex/util

I got a red screen message "This site ahead contains harmful programs" etc

Is this site really dangerous? If so, where can I safely acquire reaper_vs.dll?

Thanks...........Mike

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#1541487 - 08/10/17 09:47 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: mike gouthro]
randygo Offline
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Get it here while you can, I believe this is the last version I built:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/acucskqr68gq03t/reaper_vs.dll?dl=0

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#1569153 - 04/15/18 05:13 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: randygo]
FlametopFred_Redux_Part_4 Offline
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that link no longer works ... uh, how can I get this ?
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#1579962 - 08/04/18 01:40 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: FlametopFred_Redux_Part_4]
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I finally, finally got it all to work and have been converting all my old VS-1680 files into ProTools files ... this is GREAT

and the original tracks sound very good, I was pleasantly surprised!

Cheers and many, many thanks!
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#1607235 - 03/27/19 09:09 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: FlametopFred]
Bravura Offline
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Registered: 03/24/19
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hey there,

has anyone been able to rip tracks successfully from a usb zip drive, or does it have to be scsi?

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#1607238 - 03/27/19 10:03 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: Bravura]
uptildawn Offline
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Well - the zip drive at the VS end must be scsi...

I don't recall anyone (including myself) that's used a scsi zip drive at the VS and then a usb zip drive on the PC, so I don't have any first hand knowledge of whether the tracks can be exported to wav files through the usb port with a usb zip drive.

I'm pretty certain that the ripper tool (CD2Roland) is strictly cd/dvd related and would not rip a zip disk. But VSWE might see the data on the usb zip drive and allow you to export wav files....... Can't hurt to give it a shot. Just don't put one of your good backup zip disks into a zip drive (of any design), if it has exhibited the click of death syndrome. If it has one time, it will every time and any disk you insert in it will be ruined right away - there's no turning back from that one.
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#1607648 - 03/30/19 02:48 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: uptildawn]
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The problem is, all i have left is the disks and the scsi zip drive. . . nor a scsi port on my current pc.



i guess i'm out of luck, with my current set of gear, unless i get a scsi port.

i saw someone selling a usb zip drive, and thought about giving it a whirl.

there used to be people all over with 880s and cd burners, i should have gotten my stuff put to cd when i had the chance.

does any one on this forum sell their services of zip to cd or to a pro tools session?

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#1607658 - 03/30/19 04:06 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: Bravura]
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Bravura, check your PM's

Edited by uptildawn (03/30/19 05:14 PM)
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#1648367 - 03/16/20 05:31 AM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: uptildawn]
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Hi,
Another successful try here. I've just recovered several songs from both VS-1680 and VS-880EX CD-R backups. Everything in a MacBook Pro. I've used Cd2Roland in a virtual machine (VirtualBox) running Win10 to extract the Roland format songs from the CD-Rs and then I've opened them in Reaper (with the plugin that allows to do it). For each one I "saved as" the project with the option of transforming the audio files to WAV. Then I switched to Reaper in OS X and opened it flawlessly. Amazing!!

Thank you to all the people that made this possible.

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#1648378 - 03/16/20 08:53 AM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: Cataldo]
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Congrats, Cataldo!!!!! That is great news to hear.
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Fred Hersch Trio
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#1649784 - 03/24/20 04:19 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: uptildawn]
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I am finally, belatedly, and gratefully embarking on ripping VS backups into Reaper. It is running as designed, and the process is a revelation in many ways, thanks to those that made it possible!

Basic question, forgive if too basic:
Does the CD2Roland ripping tool extract just the wav files, or does the resulting directory contain all the data stored in the backup (VS effects, automix, etc.), even though that data obviously can't be imported to another DAW?

In other words does this totally back up my backups? Or just preserve the sonic info?

Less basic question:
Is there a way to "stack" Roland V-tracks after importing into Reaper so that they appear as alternate takes of the same track- which in many cases they are-- rather than as discrete tracks layed out side by side?

Thanks again. The tools and time to do this are one of the few silver linings of these days.

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#1649790 - 03/24/20 04:40 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: bensh]
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No way I know of to stack tracks in Reaper - one of the design decisions that is contrary to our VS way of thinking in layers, I know..... bugs me too.
I always ended up rendering out the tracks to individual wav files to import later into my daw of choice - SAWStudio, which happens to work with layers - yay!.

A nice thing about Reaper is the ability to not only render tracks, as most any daw does, but to be able to choose the format - wav, mp3, etc. - which SAW doesn't do very easily.

If Reaper has track group functionality, then I would suggest grouping tracks of like layers (or choice of layers) and muting the unused ones as a mute group of sorts.

Take a look in one of the CD2Roland ripped SONG folders to see what it extracts - Eventlist, a txt file, the SONG file that you open in Reaper and TAKE files from where the tracks are drawn. Reaper and VSWE extract .wav files from that assortment of stuff - the TAKE files, I believe - but it's all gibberish to a Windows operating system (except for the txt file), so don't try to alter the stuff, 'cause it won't do you any good.

And if you haven't done so already - be sure and rename each SONG folder from the generic rip name to a specific name - song title is good, which you can get from hovering the mouse over the eventlist file. If you don't rename those folders, or remove them from the rip folder before you rip another disc, you stand a very good chance of accidently overwriting and scrambling multiple SONG files.
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2013 Iowa City JazzFest sets!
Dr Lonnie Smith Trio w/Jonathan Kreisberg on guitar
Pharoah Sanders Quartet
Fred Hersch Trio
These are post mixes set to single camera video (by Rich Rauch).

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#1649817 - 03/24/20 06:37 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: uptildawn]
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Thanks UTD, I'm clear on renaming the SONG folder, and thanks for the workarounds on V-tracks/takes, and the tip on SAWStudio.

Sounds like I need to keep relying on the CDs for complete song backups. Wonder if there's any way to use cloud for that...

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#1649818 - 03/24/20 07:07 PM Re: *** FunkyBeat's VS CD Backup to WAV detailed GUIDE *** [Re: bensh]
uptildawn Offline
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I know you can back up the ripped folders to the cloud, or other media (flash drives, hard drives), as I've done that for years. I was just at the stage where I would have been mailing 1680 SONG copies on flash media to a friend via the post office, when we stopped recording some years back. We both had 1680s and both had external scsi drive cases fitted with SD/CF card adapters and were ready to stop mailing CDR backups.

I also had just begun to work out ways to share tracks through the cloud - very convoluted without wav import and export on the 1680 and 880, but a friend and I experimented a bit. But I haven't tried much as of late. VirDIS has been my most recent backup method (there's a VirDIS forum here, if you know nothing of it, but you probably do). I've had it for years and keep transferring my pci card from one pc to the next, as I replace older machines. Now THAT is an easy method for storing stuff to the cloud - whole backups - no problem - and reloadable on any VS of the same model.
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