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#1627815 - 08/31/19 01:55 AM Taking an 1880 into a modern protools studio
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I'm considering mixing some songs at a very modern studio. I'd be surprised if they even know what a VS is. I plan on also using my own effects racks. What would I need to purchase to hook up to protools, I guess?

All I really want to do is mix in the 1880, using the vs eq and an extrrnal reverb and delay I have. I want to use the studio's acoustic build and monitors. That's what I really want. I'd also like to maybe save some songs in protools format, if that's even possible.

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#1627864 - 08/31/19 10:57 AM Re: Taking an 1880 into a modern protools studio [Re: VSOP]
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I would say that a lot depends on how the studio incorporates protools into the system. Are they using a mixing console to go into and out of the computer/pt, like pt was originally designed to do, or are they using a computer interface and rack of preamps, with maybe just a control surface for faders, pans, etc.? This could make interfacing your 1880 a vastly different chore.

But if your main goal is to be able to connect the 1880 to their monitor speakers and mix in their acoustic space, then what you're looking for is the most direct way to connect to their monitors.

Depending on how elaborate their monitoring system is and how it ties into their console or computer interface, it could be as simple as running a pair of adapter cables out of your 1880 analog outputs and directly into their speakers (or amp/speakers), or it could require that you route your 1880 outs through their console/interface - and it could mean the difference between your ability to tie in via analog cables, or through a digital path.

I would ask the studio to suggest how they will want you to connect into their system before you ever bring in your gear for the mix session, so you're more prepared and so that they will be less annoyed over the prospect of having you use your own gear. If you think they might not be aware of the VS series standalone recorders, you could send them a link to Roland's 1880 page(s) and maybe to a good image of the rear of the unit and maybe a spec sheet.

Saving songs into a protools format is likely to be far down the list of priorities as far as the studio operators are concerned, unless you plan to "bounce" your mix over to protools as a 2-track premaster, like they would often do to create an external mixdown of a multitrack session with tape. Then you would simply save the protools mix bounce as a protools session.
That's the only "protools format" I am aware of.

Maybe what you're after is to create a copy of your saved mixes to .wav file format, which protools and pretty much any daw on the planet will easily be able to import. If so, then you're back to figuring out how to save your VS tracks to an external computer, in a format that the whole rest of the computer world uses, except for other proprietary digital recorders (all the old portable Fostex's, Akai's, Tascams, Boss's that followed Roland's proprietary scheme).

Personally (and considering how convoluted the chore of modding any VS that doesn't have wav export is, like the 1880), I'd plan on doing a realtime transfer of your 2-track mixes to the protools computer by either a digital spdif path, or an analog path and be done with it. Your transfers won't suffer from the process, or at least not in any significant, audible way - we're talking about a modern studio with studio-grade components, right? Your 1880 outputs, digital or analog, are not as bad as people let you believe and not that different than the raw tracks themselves.

I've done both realtime transfers and SD card and/or CD backup conversions many times from my 1680 to studio-grade pc daws and have never had an issue with the sound of either.
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#1627941 - 09/01/19 02:13 AM Re: Taking an 1880 into a modern protools studio [Re: uptildawn]
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Thanks. You answered the questions that I didn't know how to ask.
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#1629273 - 09/15/19 02:11 PM Re: Taking an 1880 into a modern protools studio [Re: VSOP]
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We did a mastering session on '04 taking our stereo outs from our 1680 to a pro tools system. I had it mixed with effects but we did corrections on the fly for the engineer. Worked perfectly.
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#1629413 - 09/17/19 04:27 PM Re: Taking an 1880 into a modern protools studio [Re: RD]
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if it were me,
i'd use bear's routine,
get the wav files out of the backup disc
and take the wav files in to be mixed.

most bang for buck of your time spent.
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#1631365 - 10/04/19 08:41 AM Re: Taking an 1880 into a modern protools studio [Re: gonzo]
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I thought of that, but two problems with the 1680. One, no wav export and I didn't know how to get that to happen, and two, I didn't want to preclude changes the mastering engineer wanted. We flew it out the analog outs as a stereo pair into his pro tools rig. Worked well.
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#1631821 - 10/08/19 06:38 PM Re: Taking an 1880 into a modern protools studio [Re: RD]
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Thanks guys.
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#1631936 - 10/09/19 05:02 PM Re: Taking an 1880 into a modern protools studio [Re: VSOP]
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Would VirDIS be a better option to export tracks to a computer? I understand it saves wavs and can do every track singly. Protools would accept those tracks?
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#1632013 - 10/10/19 01:27 AM Re: Taking an 1880 into a modern protools studio [Re: VSOP]
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VirDIS does not convert tracks to wav files on its own. Think of VirDIS as creating multiple hard drives that are recognized by the VS as a legit scsi external drive, in which you copy and/or record SONG files to as you would with the internal VS drive. It utilizes the VSWE wav export tool to extract/convert wav files from the tracks and conveniently includes a version of it in its utilities. You can drag an entire VirDIS virtual drive (.HDD file) into VSWE in the same way you would access the tracks from an SD/CF card, or from the files that the CD2Roland CD ripper tool makes from Backup CD discs.

Once the VS tracks are converted to wav file format, then yes - any pc/mac daw can import those standard wav files. Keep in mind, also, that certain VS recording modes - although capable of being recorded and copied into VirDIS .hdd files/folder - can not be converted by VSWE... mainly the two LIV modes can not be converted........ MTP, MT1, MT2 and MAS can all be converted - I'm pretty certain.
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Fred Hersch Trio
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#1632016 - 10/10/19 03:23 AM Re: Taking an 1880 into a modern protools studio [Re: uptildawn]
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Is there a legit supplier of VirDIS still?
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#1632043 - 10/10/19 09:36 AM Re: Taking an 1880 into a modern protools studio [Re: VSOP]
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The only supplier of VirDIS I've ever known of is the developer, himself. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Roland-VS-2480-...32a198246f78279
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2013 Iowa City JazzFest sets!
Dr Lonnie Smith Trio w/Jonathan Kreisberg on guitar
Pharoah Sanders Quartet
Fred Hersch Trio
These are post mixes set to single camera video (by Rich Rauch).

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#1632551 - 10/14/19 01:54 AM Re: Taking an 1880 into a modern protools studio [Re: uptildawn]
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Thanks UTD.
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#1632555 - 10/14/19 04:21 AM Re: Taking an 1880 into a modern protools studio [Re: VSOP]
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Virdis changed my world! Extremely well thought out program and great customer service. I'm not too sharp with computers so we hired an IT guy here to do the installation...and I worked with him remotely again last night to do some tweaks (more storage in the program-making another HDD section and formatting the drive with the 1680.
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