#1651454 - 04/04/20 02:58 PM
Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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flatcat
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This is not political. It's factual. It's not a hit job ginned up by the hostile mainstream media. It is a story about how important leadership is, and how failures in leadership, in management, and in heeding expertise will lead to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of people. Those failures have real consequences, and the real consequences here will be a lot of dead people of all ages.
We need to take off our individual blinders and see things as they are. We were more prepared than anyone else, and we utterly failed to leverage that preparation into action that would save lives. We failed because of incompetence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/04/04/coronavirus-government-dysfunction
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#1651483 - 04/04/20 05:09 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Ismellelephant
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I am curious about what will happen after this passes. The death toll and economy hit is worse than a full blown war of planes soldiers and bombs.
So where will the government put its resources after this passes? The military has been funded to keep us safe, protect our freedoms. The Virus has removed both of those military reasons in an instant.
I know what I would like to see and I know that will never happen.
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#1651496 - 04/04/20 06:14 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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grachus
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man when trump does a press conference and actually calls the reporter from cnn or Washington post the fake news I wish they would address him as mr Impeached president
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#1651502 - 04/04/20 06:42 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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We need to take off our individual blinders and see things as they are. We were more prepared than anyone else, and we utterly failed to leverage that preparation into action that would save lives. We failed because of incompetence.
And this is where it fails. There are some who will not admit that the blinders they are wearing actually exist. Their blinders are working perfectly.
And so those unnecessary deaths are going to happen and they won't be seen by those wearing blinders. Even if it happens to them.
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#1651508 - 04/04/20 07:02 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Ismellelephant
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man when trump does a press conference and actually calls the reporter from cnn or Washington post the fake news I wish they would address him as mr Impeached president
I wish I could be a reporter asking Drumpf questions, but I would just be escorted out here in our new democracy.
But if I could I'd ask Drumpf if he uses Alex Jones Coronavirus cure toothpaste. I'm think Drumpf might since so many people who have been around him have the virus and the inner circle appearing to be immune while ignoring social distancing and masks.
Hey everybody use the same microphone!
I've got syphilis, use my condom!
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#1651509 - 04/04/20 07:07 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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5G is the culprit
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#1651512 - 04/04/20 07:25 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Feb. 28
“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
-trump.
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#1651521 - 04/04/20 08:10 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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FalconEddy
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Feb. 28
“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
-trump.
March 10th-
"It will go away, just stay calm," "Be calm. It's really working out. And a lot of good things are going to happen."
Please DO NOT vote this complete phucking moron in for another term.
Haven't we all had enough lunacy and totally idiotic decisions from this 100% incompetent wanna-be already???
Let's do whatever we can to get back to some sense of normalcy, and return to the 21st Century. Hopefully at a point in time where there's still a democratic system with people in charge that at least understand how things work, and can make fairly good decisions 7 days a week; and NOT just a five day work week, then head off to their posh resort on the weekends to unwind from turning everything to sh*t they've touched all week long.
What would you all think of THAT solution???
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#1651522 - 04/04/20 08:19 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Alan
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Trump is a fucking count!
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#1651527 - 04/04/20 08:33 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Regarding masks: "I won't be doing it personally. It's a recommendation, okay?" - Donald Trump, 3 April 2020
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#1651543 - 04/04/20 10:32 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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I see a lot of hindsight and bashing.
Tell me how Hillary would have handled things better.
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#1651550 - 04/04/20 10:58 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Today, my wife scored a coveted N95 face mask. We're at the point now, where they are impossible to find. Amazon listed them for a month and a half delivery, which might be postponed or canceled anyway.
The White House has been vacillating back and forth on recommending them, so the limited supply has been hoarded out of commercial existence.
Now my wife is driving out to the periphery of town to a Walgreens that is rumored to have some in stock. We'll see how that goes...
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#1651553 - 04/04/20 11:28 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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flatcat
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I see a lot of hindsight and bashing.
Tell me how Hillary would have handled things better.
I don't have to. She isn't president. She's a private citizen.
The deaths of thousands of Americans were avoidable. That's just a fact. That isn't partisan - it's just true.
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#1651555 - 04/04/20 11:36 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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FatherApe
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and while we're distracted, he fires another intelligence community watchdog. Quietly removing everyone who holds him accountable.
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#1651556 - 04/04/20 11:42 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Vanillagrits
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It looks very partisan.
So far about 8400 deaths....
Influenza was responsible for 80,000 deaths last year.
The country is taking unprecedented measures to curb the spread.
Short of going into an instant police state, what else could we be doing? 300,000,000 people don't turn on a dime.
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#1651557 - 04/04/20 11:45 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Vanillagrits
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Also while we're distracted, the House is quietly working on HR 5717. Thankfully the Senate will kill it.
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#1651559 - 04/04/20 11:47 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Ismellelephant
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I see a lot of hindsight and bashing.
Tell me how Hillary would have handled things better. I don't have to. She isn't president. She's a private citizen. The deaths of thousands of Americans were avoidable. That's just a fact. That isn't partisan - it's just true.
Although flatcats answer make sense, I don't mind nonsense. I think Hillary would have done poorly but not as bad as Drumpf. Like Drumpf she would have crafted response through what is best for her politically. She has a history of such behavior, remember she became a hawk when it was best for political ambitions. The trouble though is we have Drumpf and he hasn't shown himself to be any different than the swamp dwellers he was suppose to drain. I guess business politics crosses over easily to politician politics.
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#1651560 - 04/04/20 11:51 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Ismellelephant
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It looks very partisan.
So far about 8400 deaths....
Influenza was responsible for 80,000 deaths last year.
The country is taking unprecedented measures to curb the spread.
Short of going into an instant police state, what else could we be doing? 300,000,000 people don't turn on a dime.
Drumpf waited to long to respond. They will now be working how to spin it another way while trying to get this under control. I think time spent on these two tasks will be 50/50 at best. Not sure 80,000 in correct btw.
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#1651561 - 04/04/20 11:56 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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gonzo
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I see a lot of hindsight and bashing.
oh jesus christ, MF'r,
is that all you got?!!
dude,
really,
get a clue
i really want you to,,,,,,
i'm rooting for you.
to get a clue.
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#1651562 - 04/04/20 11:57 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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gonzo
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blood is on the hands.
it's his watch.
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#1651563 - 04/04/20 11:58 PM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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gonzo
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wait until someone near and dear to you,
dies of covid 19.
that is all it takes to change your perspective.
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#1651568 - 04/05/20 12:10 AM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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gonzo
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Trump’s Firing of Michael Atkinson Reveals His Real Priorities—and They’re Not Coronavirus
Trump’s firing of intelligence community inspector general Michael Atkinson sends every dark signal you think it does, and more.
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#1651569 - 04/05/20 12:13 AM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Motherfucker yourself.
The blood would be on the hands of the whole fucking bunch of these assholes in DC.
The Dems pulled the race card the minute a travel ban was brought up.
If the House felt so strongly about the health and safety of the citizenry, they could have delayed impeachment and focused on the threat.
We are in the risk group and cases in our area are growing as a result of the influx of people coming to their 2nd homes from the metro area.
If we hope to pull through this, people need to quit being such arrogant dickheads.
No need to call me motherfucker, motherfucker.
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#1651570 - 04/05/20 12:16 AM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Ismellelephant
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And hes dying to fire Dr. Anthony Fauci as well. Fauci, is the nation’s foremost expert on infectious diseases and a member of the president's task force. But it will be for a valid reason...lack of loyalty, which just happens to rhyme with Royalty.
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#1651571 - 04/05/20 12:21 AM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Ismellelephant
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"If the House felt so strongly about the health and safety of the citizenry, they could have delayed impeachment and focused on the threat."
This is why Fox News is a health threat. Gobble up all the facts from Fox fast as you can. The lawsuits coming their way will shut them down as Fox shut Bill O'Reilly down.
Everyone from arrogant dickheads to Mother Teresa aren't free from catching the virus. Alex Jones toothpaste is the only know protection/cure, that is why Drumpf and inner circle test negative.
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#1651572 - 04/05/20 12:21 AM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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flatcat
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It looks very partisan.
So far about 8400 deaths....
Influenza was responsible for 80,000 deaths last year.
The country is taking unprecedented measures to curb the spread.
Short of going into an instant police state, what else could we be doing? 300,000,000 people don't turn on a dime.
Well, if you read the article, you might know that "going into an instant police state" wasn't necessary. The president started getting briefed about this in January. He could have taken many, many steps to have helped position this country so that when it hit, the impact would have been less severe than it is going to be.
Unfortunately, he didn't do that. He talked about how insignificant it was. He talked about how the flu is more severe - just like you did. Instead of acting, he did the equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and going LALALALALA. And that's a problem because all during that time, the virus was coming. And landing. And infecting people. And those people, with no symptoms, were spreading it.
He wasted valuable time, and continues to do so. And now it's too late.
It's not just on him. The governors of many states have not insisted on social distancing or quarantining, and all this time, the virus has been spreading. Many of them, interestingly, are Republicans, though. So if it's partisan, maybe that's where that comes in - Republicans don't believe in epidemiology, maybe?
You're a nice guy, but this is going to get bad, especially in the next few weeks. It's coming to where you live whether you want it or not. A lot of people are going to die, many more than die annually with the flu. It didn't have to be this bad. Because of inaction and incompetence, however, it will be.
I hope, very, very much, that it doesn't touch you or your family.
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#1651573 - 04/05/20 12:25 AM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Ismellelephant
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Here are 8 reasons why this has become worse. If any on this list is Fake News, please let me know. I don't want to be one of...Them
1. President Trump at first downplayed the coronavirus, and then he later sent mixed messages about it.
2. Trump and his administration saw the virus – and initially reacted to it – primarily as an immigration/travel/border issuerather than a health one.
3. Trump consistently attacked critical Democrats (like Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and most recently Sen. Chuck Schumer), while he singled out Republicans for praise.
4. The administration didn’t heed classified warnings from the intelligence community -- back in January and February -- about the dangers the coronavirus posed for the global community.
5. The administration, in 2018, disbanded its National Security Council pandemic team.
6. The administration eliminated a CDC job dedicated to detecting outbreaks in China.
7. The Department of Homeland Security, which plays a vital role in responding to disasters, remains staffed with an acting secretary, an acting chief of staff, an acting general counsel and a vacancy at deputy secretary.
8. The Centers for Disease Control’s initial coronavirus test failed, resulting in a lost month to combat the virus.
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#1651574 - 04/05/20 12:28 AM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Ismellelephant
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And right out of the gate you had Rush Limbaugh claiming it was a hoax. Drumpf listens to and pins medals on Rush and ignores qualified sources.
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#1651575 - 04/05/20 12:34 AM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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flatcat
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If the House felt so strongly about the health and safety of the citizenry, they could have delayed impeachment and focused on the threat.
But that's not how it works. It's not the House's job to manage the response to this. It's the executive branch's job. It's HHS, CDC, and ultimately the president, to marshall the experts and use the tools in the toolbox to start preparing, to come up with a plan, to work with other governments, to start getting various departments ready to act and get resources and tools they need.
In addition, it's not like the entire executive branch was involved in the impeachment trial and/or hearings. The president himself called it illegitimate and refused to participate. So if that's the case, he had plenty of time to get people working on this.
This argument involving impeachment doesn't hold water. I'm sorry, it's just not relevant.
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#1651576 - 04/05/20 12:40 AM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Ismellelephant
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So if it's partisan, maybe that's where that comes in - Republicans don't believe in epidemiology, maybe?
Little known fact, Republicans don't like science or anything that has "ology" in the name. But to be fair Republicans do enjoy Helminthology. It is a form of self reflection for them.
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#1651578 - 04/05/20 12:52 AM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Vanillagrits
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I hope, very, very much, that it doesn't touch you or your family.
I feel the same way towards everyone here.
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#1651580 - 04/05/20 01:07 AM
Re: Coronavirus: how we got to where we are
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Vanillagrits
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It's on full display here......it is usually amusing.....other times, not so much.
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