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#1672585 - 07/22/20 12:41 PM Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions
Treadstone71 Offline
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TL;DR - I've done a lot of experimentation with storage and some of it was successful and some of it wasn't.
Most successful - SATA Based Song Vault.
Least Successful - Upgrading 2480 to SSD.


Thanks for all the great posts around:

SSD Conversion
Drive Formatting
and Backing Up Your Work


After obtaining my 2480 my first order of business: Upgrade to an SSD...
the process of which I can wholeheartedly report that I was absolutely, completely, 100% unsuccessful.

I purchased 5 different IDE->SATA converters (at least one of them if not two directly matching YouTube videos) and three different SSD's (Kingston, Samsung, and Crucial 120GB - the Kingston and Samsung directly matching YouTube videos). No combination of any of those eight items worked.

Most of the combinations (particularly any involving the Crucial Drive), the 2480 didn't even recognize. It would just hang at the drive initialization screen.

The closest I got to success was using one of the adapters which didn't even show up in any youtube video (the red Star*Tech one) and the Kingston 120GB drive. The 2480 recognized it as a drive and asked me if I wanted to initialize it. I would say yes and it would start initializing but then halfway through, the intialization would fail.

Connecting the Kingston SSD to my PC showed that it had formatted four of the partitions and then just, for whatever reason, gave up. No amount of repetition could get it to format the rest of the drive and the 2480 wouldn't recognize the partially formatted drive. I would have to "de-partition" it using Windows Storage Manager to get it to prompt for a drive init again in the 2480.

I finally followed the old maxim "If after ~$175, five adapters, and three SSD's you don't succeed, the hell with it".


So I moved on to my next project: protecting my work. I had imported my songs over from my 1680 using my JAZ drive backups, only to discover that the JAZ drive had become exceedingly unreliable over the past 20 years. I managed to get two of my four JAZ Disc Backups transferred but the other two - one song became corrupted on one disc and the other disc... the whole thing was wack. Songs would import with artifacts, errors, strange tracks showing up where they shouldn't... the whole 9 yards. Using different JAZ discs resulting in varying degrees of failure. Finally resorted to my even older ZIP drive and transferred the remaining projects one at a time using two 250MB Zip disks.

But during this process I realized that a) the JAZ drive was no longer viable as a backup methodology and b) while ZIP was very reliable, it was also waaay too cumbersome. I needed an alternative. Enter the Roland Song Vault. I found one online - a SATA vault, and bit the bullet and purchased it.

First order of business - could I use any of my three SSD's with it? Why yes I could. If I bought a 2.5" -> 3.5" caddy adapter, which I did. I was exceedingly gratified to have the song vault instantly recognize and format all three SSD's (even the Crucial!).

2480 Projects now backed up to SSD. No spindle. No moving parts. More reliable.

I thought, hey... I'll do the same with the 1680 projects as well since... I can.

Ummm... No. 1680 will not recognize any drive larger than 10GB or so? Good luck finding *any* SATA drive under 64GB in size.

Again began a new search for alternatives and adapters. I finally thought Compact Flash. Hmmm... There's a CF -> SATA adapter and CF cards being older technology are traditionally smaller in size. I bought the CF->SATA adapter and an 8GB SanDisk CF card.

Got it in, fired up the Song Vault with the 1680 and... no. It saw a SCSI device, but refused to interact with it. Discouraged I went back to searching for other options.

On a lark, the following day, I tried the CF card again and for whatever reason, the 1680 decided that the second time was a charm. It recognized it, formatted it, and copied all my old projects to it across four partitions. Go figure.

Last item - decided to also low level format a 160GB spindle drive in the Song Vault. SCSI/SATA conversion + Spindle Drive = 18 hours to format. Fortunately thanks to the forums I knew to expect this. :-)


So - end result:
SSD Upgrade - Epic Fail.
Song Vault Implementation - Epic Win.

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#1672593 - 07/22/20 01:28 PM Re: Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions [Re: Treadstone71]
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Bravo for the persistence! Congrats for the successes!

I have personally had more success with mods connected on the external scsi port of my 1680 than with internal drives... and even those experiments have ceased for me, so... I wonder why that is.

Thanks for the extensive report.
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#1672631 - 07/22/20 04:39 PM Re: Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions [Re: uptildawn]
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thanks for the info!
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#1672671 - 07/22/20 10:12 PM Re: Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions [Re: calypso]
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Great post, Tread.

Thanks.
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#1672676 - 07/23/20 12:06 AM Re: Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions [Re: LarryG]
Treadstone71 Offline
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Registered: 08/05/09
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Thanks all. Apologies - I know it's a bit of a read but I thought parts of it were interesting enough to share.

I've decided based on my own experience and other forum posts that the SSD upgrade is a complete crap shoot and success is predicated as much on your particular VS unit's internals as it is on which parts you use for the upgrade.

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#1672686 - 07/23/20 02:17 AM Re: Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions [Re: Treadstone71]
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Glad I'm not alone. I have a bag of SATA/PATA converters and a few SSD cards. All failures.
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#1673702 - 07/30/20 06:20 PM Re: Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions [Re: Cantsleep]
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I am about to try and convert my 2480 HD to SSD and it amazes me the hit and miss ratio people have had with this conversion.

Is the cause the model of the IDE-SATA card, the SSD or the type of 2480 itself?

I have the exact same card and SSD as I see used in a YouTube conversion video that worked - I have seen the video - but there is no guarantee that it will work for me.

There must be a reason and explanation behind this and I am worried that I am going to be left with two 2480's that I cannot used because there are no HD's for them.
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#1674002 - 08/02/20 12:54 PM Re: Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions [Re: Scott_McPhee]
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This morning I lost a drive in one of my 2480's ,luckily I had backed most of it up in one of the other machines. The bad drive is in the oldest machine with the drive bay (easy to replace). So what drive solution would be best? I thought there was a standard sata (non ssd) that could be used with the right adapter or are they all, over the size limit leaving ssd the only option. Also the scsi2sd option looked appealing but I still need the internal also. This is my second drive failure and I have a pile of ide drives to use but theyre mostly deathstar's. I would like to evolve to something a little more stable.
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#1674087 - 08/03/20 02:10 AM Re: Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions [Re: mercury1]
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CompactFlash + adapter.
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#1674088 - 08/03/20 03:55 AM Re: Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions [Re: gyorpb]
Catweazle Offline
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Maxtor plus 9 hard drive
Very stable and there´s lots of them on "fleabay" for peanuts !
I have 8 spares on my shelf

Cheers !

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#1674111 - 08/03/20 12:20 PM Re: Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions [Re: Scott_McPhee]
Treadstone71 Offline
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@ Scott_McPhee - Good question. I was considering asking Cantsleep what the S/N was on his 2480. I have the base model 2480 (ie no CD or DVD burner built in). I'm wondering if that plays a role.

Let us know how your upgrade goes.


Edited by Treadstone71 (08/03/20 12:20 PM)

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#1674173 - 08/04/20 02:10 AM Re: Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions [Re: Treadstone71]
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Cantsleep here. My VS is just an HD model. No DVD or CD internals.
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#1674231 - 08/04/20 02:49 PM Re: Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions [Re: Cantsleep]
Treadstone71 Offline
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Registered: 08/05/09
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Loc: AZ
Ok - 2nd data point. It would be interesting to know if anyone with an HD model (no CD or DVD burner) has successfully upgraded to an SSD.
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#1674329 - 08/04/20 10:35 PM Re: Storage Wars - My experience with Imports, Backups, Song Vault, SSD Upgrade, and IDE/SCSI/SATA Conversions [Re: Treadstone71]
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We backup everything via VIRDIS -- over on a stable non SCSI external --- -- we track our projects there , also.
No more CD/DVD and nothing stays on the internal HD of the VS2480 ..


Edited by C Jo Go (08/04/20 10:37 PM)
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