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#894093 - 08/30/09 10:30 PM One of the first Roland DAWs
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We were talking about older recorders the other day... I don't recall where it was now, but I had mentioned the forunner of the VS880.

Well, I found the demo video I had stashed away and thought I'd share a bit of history. I never got one of these, but I did end up getting the 880 not long after first discovering this unit.

It's the DM-800... designed primarily for audio-video... and came out just before the 880.
This little snippet is from SOS, discussing the history of Roland products:

The same could also be said of the DM800 which, despite being seeming very appealing, ultimately failed to impress. This long, slim box was perhaps the first fully self-contained DAW, needing neither a computer in tow, nor a bank of external rackmount processors, nor even external hard disk drives if you installed the optional internal drives that it supported. What's more, it offered real-time two-band EQ, time compression, pitch correction, and even mix automation. Add to this outputs for external video monitors to augment the onboard graphic LCD, a proprietary expansion buss, dual SCSI ports, a slate of MTC and LTC synchronisation options, project management and backup to DAT or MO drives, and everything looked pretty hunky-dory. But the DM800 was not a success. Perhaps this was because each SCSI port was limited to just four channels of recording/playback, or because the digital I/O was limited to S/PDIF rather than the more professional AES-EBU interface. Perhaps it was because of the limited fade and crossfading facilities, or more likely it was because editing was clunky, and the waveform display was of low resolution and difficult to use. Whatever the reason, the DM800 promised much, but survived just a handful of months before Roland announced a product that would sweep it away at a stroke.

In fact, a quick search on ebay shows that they are currently selling:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-Studio-Setup-...id=p3286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-DM-800-Multi-...id=p3286.c0.m14

Considering they were evidently only out for a year, they must have done quite well.

Anyway, just thought I'd share.

i always though the concept was excellent and was terribly impressed by the demo video when I first found it.

DanT
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#1246322 - 09/27/13 08:01 AM Re: One of the first Roland DAWs [Re: uptildawn]
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before that was the DM80... I had a four-track version of that, required an old-skool mac sat with it to control it... wow.seems so very long ago....

http://www.bibbteck.com/Products/224-roland-dm80-8-complete-daw-system.aspx

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#1246332 - 09/27/13 08:47 AM Re: One of the first Roland DAWs [Re: mutetourettes]
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Oh yeah! I can just imagine toting that thing around in a gig bag! \:\)
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#1380851 - 03/28/15 07:14 PM Re: One of the first Roland DAWs [Re: uptildawn]
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Anybody here speak Studer? Revox? I am ashamed to admit I know what Ampex 456 is but don't have a handle on aliasing.

I would grumble but I'm old and first I have to find my teeth.

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#1380908 - 03/28/15 11:13 PM Re: One of the first Roland DAWs [Re: Slabraton]
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I find it helpful much of the time to have concepts shown to me in a visual form, while being explained...
A quick scan of youtube videos gave me these to that you might find helpful in grasping this aliasing concept:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3svU5VJ8Gk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic4bVbXfdW4

The first video explains how aliasing shows up on a scope... Get in about 1.5 minutes or so and I think you'll see some fairly easy relationships to what the guy is describing with the scope and how it relates to audio signals

Watch your volume control on the second video - It's quite a bit louder than the first. About 3 minutes in, you'll see demonstrations of what aliasing affects look like using an audio plug-in in a daw program. I find it's helpful... I hope this helps you too.
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#1676035 - 08/19/20 10:13 AM Re: One of the first Roland DAWs [Re: uptildawn]
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I think they followed up on the DM-800 with the DM-80 which was more capable and was more of a controller/mixer which was used with a hard disk recorder. Saw one on ebay from a chicago radio station that was cleaning out their studios.

I like the look of the DM-800, would love to get one to play with as a looper. But up to my ears in things i don't use but have to take care of, so maybe if I find one for less than a 100$ I'll take a chance.

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