#1712381 - 01/26/21 01:37 AM
extracting tracks from Backup
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ottawa
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Registered: 07/31/02
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Loc: Chicago, Illinois USA
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Hello Folks,
I have many CD/DVD's that contain backup tracks from my old 2480. These are not exported tracks, but rather native 2480 backups.
Does anyone have a recommendation on how to get the backup tracks off the CD/DVDs? I have a mac with a drive in it.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom
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#1712419 - 01/26/21 05:48 AM
Re: extracting tracks from Backup
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keeppracticing
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Registered: 07/13/12
Posts: 1250
Loc: Atlanta
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You'll need access to a PC and you use the VS Wav Export (free) software to extract the wav filss onto the PC's hard drive.
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#1712424 - 01/26/21 11:07 AM
Re: extracting tracks from Backup
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Catweazle
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Registered: 06/06/20
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Loc: Stockholm Sweden
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You cannot extract WAW files from VS Backup CD / DVDīs ...
Because thereīs no WAW files on them ...
They contain all data from projects, as fader settings, track names,
AUX send, routing, effects in use, and so on .....
Cheers !
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#1712535 - 01/26/21 05:32 PM
Re: extracting tracks from Backup
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ottawa
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Loc: Chicago, Illinois USA
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You'll need access to a PC and you use the VS Wav Export (free) software to extract the wav filss onto the PC's hard drive.
Thanks folks. Do you have a link to this software?
All the best,
Tom
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#1712541 - 01/26/21 05:45 PM
Re: extracting tracks from Backup
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ulank
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Big sticky at the top of this forum...
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#1712555 - 01/26/21 06:12 PM
Re: extracting tracks from Backup
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uptildawn
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The search function also works quite well in these forums. Search for keywords like VSWE, or VS Wave Export, or CD2Roland, etc.
Because many of these threads are years old and links are constantly going bad, or being updated, it's probably wise to start with the last posts in a thread and work your way backwards. This subject is constantly being addressed, so don't be put off when people are slow to respond to this subject. It's getting really old and not a lot is changing about it.
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#1712693 - 01/26/21 11:53 PM
Re: extracting tracks from Backup
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March
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Loc: IA
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If I understand correctly,the songs were saved as data, right? The format is Roland proprietary; the songs need to be brought back onto the VS itself. You could mix them down to two stereo tracks and then burn the song on a CD which you could pop into your mac and upload it from there
If you want to retrieve each track separately, then you need to use the track export function. Never done it myself, but I think the VS will save them as WAV files (two at a time) that you could burn on a CD, pair by pair, and then upload them into your mac.
You don't need another program, if you go by pairs--but again, I have never done it myself
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#1712708 - 01/27/21 01:21 AM
Re: extracting tracks from Backup
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keeppracticing
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@Catweezle The VS Wav Export software finds the hidden files Roland tried to make proprietary. It will indeed extract every wav file recorded in a song project that has been backed up to CD or DVD by the 2480.
@Tom (ottawa) pm me if you need help getting the VSWE program
Cheers 
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#1712788 - 01/27/21 09:40 AM
Re: extracting tracks from Backup
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Catweazle
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Registered: 06/06/20
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Loc: Stockholm Sweden
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Wow .. Or should I say Waw ... I didīnt know that. Sorry 
I do know you can export Waw files to CDīs and then to computer and so on,
but to extract Waw files from the backup CD / DVDīs ..... Strange ???
Waw files are so big and thereīs not so much data on backup CDīs ... ( Iīm to old to grasp this ....  )
Is that the case regardless what mode you use when recording ( MTP, LIV, M24 ... )
And does that program only work with Windows, or also with Mac ???
I think I will do what Zappa said : "Shut up and play your guitar" 
Cheers !
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#1712798 - 01/27/21 02:21 PM
Re: extracting tracks from Backup
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uptildawn
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If you really want to know about exporting/extracting wav files from cd/dvd backups, then I would suggest that you start by reading the sticky threads about FunkyBeat's Guide found at the top of both the 2480 and 1680 forums. In fact, start with the one in the 1680 forum, where it really all began - first post in that thread is from 2006.
Besides learning how it all came about, you will also discover all the hurdles vs users have all had to jump to keep the method and the tools alive and viable.
To speak to your specific questions here and without going into details I don't fully comprehend myself, Catweazle, Roland backup discs contain all the information required for the machines to be able to reconstruct a session, but they do not contain full uncompressed wav files. Roland's priority compression scheme is also what allows us to pile on so much track data into numerous project files on such a small hard drive (again, I don't understand the details of these processes, so don't slam me for it, please).
The two tools most responsible for our ability to extract uncompressed wav files from backup discs are the CD2Roland "ripper" and VS Wave Export (VSWE as it's known). They were created and maintained for some years by 2 outstanding developers who also used VS recorders. Neither of them actively supports the tools anymore, but the tools still work great - WHEN you can get Windows to leave them alone to do their jobs.
Neither tool works natively on mac computers... pc-only.
Most of, but not all recording modes are accepted. If memory serves, all the most commonly modes used from the 880 on up can be ripped and extracted, except the LIV modes. Again, my information may be lacking. I know for certain that LIV modes don't work.
A long while ago, the 2 tools were combined into VSWE - with the ripper being accessed through an Extras menu in VSWE, which also eliminated the need for users to have to create a batch file from within Command Prompt in order to use the ripper. And beyond that, VirDIS, developed by Bill Casey, has incorporated both tools into its incredible program functions. This is the most currently reliable way to get access to the ripping and extracting functions, but it is not a free program and requires (at this time) a free pcie slot in your pc for its main hardware component. You can read a bunch about VirDIS from the VirDIS forum here on the Planet, as well as through searching the numerous threads that discuss the program and the other 2 tools extensively.
Take keeppracticing up on his offer to help in obtaining VSWE, if you're inclined, because one of the big sticking points for a few years now is the trouble we have in keeping antivirus programs from disabling the ripper tool (at some point in time, virus program definitions began to target and tag the ripper as a Trojan virus, even though it does not infect a computer, or cause harm). Again, something I don't fully comprehend, so can't provide details.
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#1712801 - 01/27/21 03:24 PM
Re: extracting tracks from Backup
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Catweazle
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Registered: 06/06/20
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Loc: Stockholm Sweden
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Thanx Up for clarifying 
So thereīs some compression going on to get all project data to the backup CD ......
Well, I have no trouble with my VSīs and donīt use computers to mix and master
my music. I do everything in the VS units, as intended by Roland
And I donīt touch Windows computers ......
I just chimed in on OPīs question as I thought I knew how backup CDīs
was created and what was burned onto them .... Little did I know
As said in my previous post : I will just "shut up and play my guitar" 
( and bass , keyboards and drums .... )
Cheers !
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#1713012 - 01/28/21 05:28 AM
Re: extracting tracks from Backup
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C Jo Go
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Will the VS Wav Export software rip DVD's ?? The VIRDIS program allows CD ripping === just not DVD
Edited by C Jo Go (01/28/21 05:34 AM)
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