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#1722131 - 03/20/21 05:09 PM Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525?
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Hi, all. I have a VS-880 and could never get a CD writer working with it. Someone locally is selling a VS-1880 with a QPS 525 CD writer. I hope to see it in a couple days and will buy it if working. But I want to test the CD writer and I've never used an 1880. I know the basics of the 880, but overall I'm a total amateur, not a pro musician or recording engineer. So my questions:

What type of CD's should I bring? Can you use re-writable ones or does each test waste a blank CD?

Can you back up either all the tracks, or a stereo mix, or just one or the other?

I'll bring a mic so I can test the inputs real quick. Anything else I should bring?

Anything else I should test? He says it has two effects boards. Hopefully I can test those quickly from my basic 880 knowledge but any advice is welcome!
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#1722135 - 03/20/21 06:05 PM Re: Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525? [Re: BradVS]
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I would suggest downloading the 1880 manual and familiarizing yourself a little bit with how to use the display and f-buttons to bring up menus and meters, etc. It's a far cry from the tiny display of the 880 and far easier to get around - but you need time to get acquainted.

Besides a mic, you need headphones, or speakers - powered speakers would be easy to connect to all the various audio outputs to be sure it all works on the output side - rca to 1/4" adapters would be helpful, too in that respect, considering some of the line level outputs are rca. Headphones will only be good to check headphone and speaker outs, without some amplifier to connect line outs to. It's just my suggestion for a thorough test at the output side.

Only the first 2 inputs have xlr and phantom power - if bringing a mic, a condenser mic might be advised in order to check that phantom power works. Also, either a xlr to 1/4" adapter, or low to hi-z transformer might be helpful to check all 8 inputs - at least maybe bring a line level player (a phone maybe) and the correct cable and adapter to plug into all 8 channels to be sure they work.

You can easily check all 4 effects processors (2 for each board) by toggling through them on a single input, if you need quick and simple.

Be aware the a certain amount of preamp hiss is acceptable, when having to turn up the input gain knobs, especially with a mic and gain over 2 or 3 o'clock. Line level signals should be easily clean and healthy at 8 to 10 o'clock.

CDRs can be standard blank data discs (up to 700MB) and/or CDRW. If you have an 880 backup cd, it might be good to check the burner's ability to load the SONG - you'd use the usual method to load a backup disc and then use SONG IMPORT to unlock it so that it can be edited/worked with on the 1880.

You can "back up" data........ you can "write" audio to cd. 2 different functions and probably worth the time to test a short backup and an audio cd write..... I'm not sure, but the qps 525 might be the equivalent of the roland cdr-II burner? Maybe has a Plextor 1210s in it?

Ask the owner if they have a hard copy of the manual to browse/refer to, if the owner isn't capable of walking you through any of the functions, or download a pdf of the main operator's manual to your phone (?), so that you can look up things if necessary - make ample use of the index to quickly find pages that have details of the functions, so you don't have to sift through it - better than the table of contents in most instances - in my opinion.

The 1880 probably has 3 manuals - the main manual, the appendices and possibly a v-xpanded or updated additional features manual (I'm going by the 1680 manuals, which were only around for a year before the 1880 came out - if memory serves).

Hope that helps some.
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#1722140 - 03/20/21 06:26 PM Re: Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525? [Re: BradVS]
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Also, if it only has a 2GB hard drive in it (really? that small?) would the first thing to do be getting a bigger drive? Is it easy to get a compatible internal drive these days? Expensive?
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#1722151 - 03/20/21 07:14 PM Re: Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525? [Re: BradVS]
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The original drives installed in both the 1680 and 1880 were - yes - 2GB (actually something slightly more than that - 2.1GB is what the formatted drive will show). And they weren't cheap either! My first 4GB drive - a Toshiba - was 500.00 in 1998.
The 12GB drive I finally ended up with a year later was over 600.00.

Although I'm sure it's possible to find 2.5" 5400rpm, or 7200rpm laptop drives of 20GB or less, with average access speed of 13ms or less (as recommended by Roland) for cheap today, I'm not confident that they would be in the best of condition, unless they are somehow new old stock. Even then there may be mechanical considerations that may make spending much on them a bit dubious. Buying a handful at a decent price might work, so that you have something to fall back on, or to swap out now and then in an effort to spread out the wear. My own 12GB and 6GB drives are still going strong, although I don't use them much - just enough to keep them from seizing up, maybe?

The 1880 can utilize up to 16GB and partitions its drives in 500MB, 1GB or 2GB partitions (2 might be obviously the best size to go with) - so, 8 x 2GB partitions. Anything more is wasted space and (I think) too much larger might even be detrimental (just my assumption, mind you).

There are a very few successfully tried mods you might do to replace the spinner with a solid state drive (CF card is the most successful). But the adaptor cards have increasingly become unreliable, as build parts constantly change and the Roland only tolerates a very few parts that matter (I am also no expert at this).

You can also use an external drive connected via the scsi port (as with the 880) and turn off the ide drive (details are in the manual I think). But again, availability of small capacity drives (even 3.5" drives) and the necessary external cases and adapter cards has become an increasingly troublesome point.

That's about all I can think of.....
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#1722176 - 03/21/21 01:24 AM Re: Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525? [Re: uptildawn]
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Thanks... Wonder if I should hold out for finding a used 1824 locally. They are newer and have bigger drivers, not to mention the internal CD. Seem to be hard to find though.
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#1722197 - 03/21/21 10:54 AM Re: Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525? [Re: BradVS]
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Thanks again - just read your first post more thoroughly. I don't have a lot of equipment to test it with: an electric guitar, a mic (sm 57 I think), headphones, and could bring a small guitar amp. He is selling it with three manuals and the CD writer. Seems a decent deal for $200. Main worry besides it all in working order is if the CD writer will last a bunch of years. Don't expect I'll use it daily or anything.
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#1722201 - 03/21/21 11:41 AM Re: Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525? [Re: BradVS]
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It's impossible to predict almost anything about the deal.
200.00 might be a decent deal, if the 2 machines are working properly.

I'd ask the seller before going over there, if they have it hooked up to something for playback, so you don't have to bring an arsenal over there. Maybe they've got a condenser mic to show that the phantom power is working too.... although I wouldn't expect that to be the first thing to bite the dust. Power supply, various circuit board issues, buttons, dials and lights that aren't functioning... those are the biggest issues on the VS. Those and the lcd display getting weak. The burner has to be able to read and write backup discs for it to be of much use to a VS owner, so that's where I'd be focused with it. Being able to write and read audio cds would be the least of my concerns...



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#1722219 - 03/21/21 02:52 PM Re: Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525? [Re: uptildawn]
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Thanks again. I don't think he has much equipment to help demo it with so I'll have to bring what I can. At least it'll be better than the $800 I spent for the 880 way back when. \:\) The audio cd writing is important to me, being 20 years behind the times in all this as a way to get a "finished" product out to some friends or relatives to embarrass myself efficiently.
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#1722228 - 03/21/21 03:45 PM Re: Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525? [Re: BradVS]
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Better still than the more than 3k I spent on my first 880 and CDR-I... or the next 3k+ I spent on the 1680 and CD-Rack just a couple years later. Mine have performed remarkably well though, so not much to complain about. Hope your investment works out as well.
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#1722279 - 03/22/21 12:53 AM Re: Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525? [Re: uptildawn]
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Hmm... There's an 1824 on reverb that's very tempting.
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#1722286 - 03/22/21 04:08 AM Re: Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525? [Re: BradVS]
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Gotta make sure that built-in burner is working in an 1824cd, or you get a great price worth the cost of replacing it, if necessary. Could be a good thing - at least I always heard the 1824 was a good machine. My worry was always buying an all-in-one and having the burner burn out.

Make sure your seller will take a return, if it turns out to not be all they say it is.
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#1722287 - 03/22/21 04:15 AM Re: Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525? [Re: uptildawn]
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The CD writer in the 1824 is a fairly common Panasonic ATAPI (IDE) device, the UJDA340 (or 360). Amply available.
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#1722907 - 03/26/21 07:37 PM Re: Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525? [Re: gyorpb]
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Thanks... the reverb seller doesn't seem to want to answer my questions. \:\(
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#1738111 - 07/02/21 10:40 PM Re: Testing VS-1880 with QPS 525? [Re: uptildawn]
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I installed a brand new KingSpec PATA-IDE SSDs in my BR1600, VS1880 and just this week, my new VS1824. On the 1880 and 1824 it was plug and play. On the 1600 I had to get a 40-44 pin adapter. Im going to buy a couple more of those drives to have as backups. Its cool that you can swap drives between 18XX machines and they work without reformatting.
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