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#1682256 - 09/25/20 02:19 PM New 1680 user here
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Hello, all.
Yes, another newbie here, 22 years late.
Recently purchased a VS1680 xpanded, complete with 2 vs8f-2 boards and partitioned 20 gig drive.
Maybe not so exciting to you, but a whole new world to me!
So far, I've downloaded the manuals, actually printed the Quick Start guide, scanned the forum boards and watched the Nick Cooper video.
Following the guide, I've recorded some spoken rubbish using an XLR, a bit of guitar stuff using one of the ordinary inputs, and something from my laptop using an optical spdif job.
So far, so good.
The Turbostart leaflet and video concentrate a great deal on experimenting with the supplied demo - from what I've read, I realise that I'm not going to get hold of that any longer, so have downloaded a multi-track example from some site-or-other, for the purpose of building my own 'demo'.
This will lead to a few questions - sorry in advance!

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#1682260 - 09/25/20 03:31 PM Re: New 1680 user here [Re: Eejit]
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Excellent! Welcome to the Planet.
It's great to hear how you've taken it upon yourself to explore the system and learn the basics already - really, it is!
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#1682276 - 09/25/20 04:49 PM Re: New 1680 user here [Re: uptildawn]
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Welcome to VS Planet!

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#1682290 - 09/25/20 06:32 PM Re: New 1680 user here [Re: Wish]
Eejit Offline
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Greeted by two of the forum's 'Big Hitters'!
Thank you, both!

Taking careful note of my username- Eejit by name, eejit by nature - I wonder if I could initially hit you with these two posers?

Is there an 'understanding' as to which instrument is recorded to which track? To put it another way, would you always expect to hear (for example) bass guitar on track 3?

The other question refers to something on Nick Cooper's video, when he's describing what goes on in the lower zone of the Display window. He's talking about the demo song titled 'Seems so right'(?) at the time, and mentions that you can use the cursor to highlight a single track.
He claims 'The track name is displayed', and sure enough, 'Drums' is shown first, and then I think it mentions Guitar on track 4 a little later on.
How have these been entered? A quick flick through the QS manual doesn't seem to mention this?
It's late here, and the answer is probably staring me in the face - apologies if so.
Suffice to say, thanking you in advance.

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#1682300 - 09/25/20 07:02 PM Re: New 1680 user here [Re: Eejit]
uptildawn Offline
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I believe that everyone develops their own sense of what instruments will reside on which tracks and this really is dependent on time and your own sense of a workflow, which also depends on the nature of the typical project settings you find yourself using repeatedly (or not). In other words, it's your call.

But I do believe that many of the common strategies come from the world of recording to actual tape. In that environment, the placement of certain instrument tracks relative to the physical placement to other instrument tracks and the outside edges of the tape itself plays a large role in order to minimize the potential for crosstalk and loss of signal.

As to your question about displaying track names by using the cursor to highlight single tracks - that's a very curious one to me and one for which I don't think I have a ready answer. I don't recall a time when I've used the 1680 in that manner. I'd need to refer to Nick's video to jog my brain and see if it rings a bell. I liked Nick's video tutorials, by the way. I thought they were really helpful at a time when I understood very little about the 1680.

If I find the time before you've got an answer, I will post back what I figure out, if anything.
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#1682336 - 09/25/20 09:19 PM Re: New 1680 user here [Re: uptildawn]
RD Offline
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Roland vs 1680! I've been using this thing for 23 yearsand I'm still excited by the possibilities! I even bought a second unit just to keep here in case one fails while I get it repaired....which came in very handy by the way during a very important recording session with a friend from England... The 1680 is a miracle... It's stable and solid, sounds fantastic with a little bit of analog warmth ... Which of course is not really analog warmth but it's a little warmth around 300 HZ if memory serves... From the rdac compression algorithm... Acts like tape, looks like tape and answer to your organizational question about tracks and instruments... As Dan says above, it's kind of similar to organizing a tape session.

Big congratulations. You've just discovered one of the most astounding pieces of equipment ever created in the recording industry in my humble opinion.
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#1682429 - 09/26/20 01:41 AM Re: New 1680 user here [Re: Eejit]
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 Originally Posted By: Eejit
[…] 'The track name is displayed', and sure enough, 'Drums' is shown first, and then I think it mentions Guitar on track 4 a little later on.
How have these been entered? A quick flick through the QS manual doesn't seem to mention this?
That is because it is a Quick Start Manual. You want the Owner’s Manual, page 91.

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#1682436 - 09/26/20 02:04 AM Re: New 1680 user here [Re: gyorpb]
uptildawn Offline
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 Originally Posted By: gyorpb
 Originally Posted By: Eejit
[…] 'The track name is displayed', and sure enough, 'Drums' is shown first, and then I think it mentions Guitar on track 4 a little later on.
How have these been entered? A quick flick through the QS manual doesn't seem to mention this?
That is because it is a Quick Start Manual. You want the Owner’s Manual, page 91.


Oh! Good call gyorph.
This would explain why I didn't recollect what Eejit was referring to, too. I always found renaming tracks and phrases too tedious a task, so I just ignored that function most of the time.

I can see where somebody could find it helpful...
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#1682444 - 09/26/20 02:55 AM Re: New 1680 user here [Re: uptildawn]
Eejit Offline
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Loc: Irish Republic
Good morning, all.
Up early. My God, there's a slight ground frost in the next field. It's not even the end of September yet. Screwed-up weather in a screwed-up year in a screwed-up world.
(There's a song in there somewhere!)

Yes, thank you gyorpb. I hadn't thought of the other manual! See? Eejit by name, eejit by nature! I must have a look through the Sweetwater references and the 'brown bag' guide too.

Interesting, how you can use the Status and Select buttons as a keyboard to save wear and tear on the dial. I hadn't even spotted the alphabet under the buttons.

How advanced must these beasts have seemed 20+ years ago?

Thanks again for the guidance and warm welcome, folk.
My wife is off out shopping shortly.
Car keys, purse, coat.
And a mask.

God help us all.

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#1682445 - 09/26/20 03:55 AM Re: New 1680 user here [Re: Eejit]
drachir Offline
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Registered: 06/27/09
Posts: 57
Hi eejit and a welcome from Shetland

Plenty of folk here will answer questions, very generous with both their time and experience.

The manuals are really useful. An 1824 user for 15 years and just yesterday had to get them out to check a procedure I hadn't used before! We are all eejits together.

That said, I have a set of the 3 manuals for an 1880 (came with a second machine, effectively the same as the 1680 but with 2 extra mastering racks I think) which are up for sale. I am asking £10 + postage from the UK. PM me if you are interested.

All the best

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#1682560 - 09/27/20 06:58 AM Re: New 1680 user here [Re: drachir]
Eejit Offline
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Good Morning, drachir.

I suspected your username was 'in Shetlandic', so spent a few minutes looking on John Graham's dictionary site. The thought was to be a smartarse, know what your name translated to, and respond accordingly.
Failing miserably, I then sussed that it spells Richard backwards - but then realised that it doesn't. Nearly, but not quite.

I told you I was an eejit. There's a few minutes of my life I'm not going to get back.


Thanks for your offer, but I have the 1680 manuals already. Whether I'll live long enough to read them is another matter.

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#1682724 - 09/28/20 02:14 AM Re: New 1680 user here [Re: Eejit]
drachir Offline
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Registered: 06/27/09
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Well done, rumbled at last!

I offered a hard copy of the manuals as I tried to upgrade to a VS2000 series, which seemed to be quite different to the 1680 and 1824, and was sent mad trying to navigate a downloaded manual. Probably just me. Ended up going back to my trusted 1824 with a huge sigh of relief.

From your original post it seemed you were working from a downloaded manual. If you are working from downloads, I would seriously suggest you make a hard copy of the index, will save you a lot of grief.

Enjoy exploring the machine - they are still seriously good

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#1739550 - 07/13/21 04:11 AM Re: New 1680 user here [Re: drachir]
VSOP Offline
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Posts: 81
Nice choice.

As far as bass on track 3, it's probably more important to see which sounds will be mono and which sounds will be stereo. Bass would probably be on 3 or 4/5 just because they're mono. Typically I put a snare on 1 a kick on 2 then bass around 3 or 4. I use midi'd drum machines and live keys. I'll typically put a percussion or 2 on some stereo tracks. That may not be as common as bass on track 3 though. I typically will use the 17/18 track for a stereo percussion because 17/18 will only allow me 2 band eq verses 3 bands on every other track.

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#1746048 - 08/17/21 07:19 PM Re: New 1680 user here [Re: VSOP]
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Registered: 01/22/02
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Loc: Manchester, U.K.
I hung around here about 20 years ago.
I think I've used every home recording system produced by Roland, Fostex, AKAI and YAMAHA. I now have a mega PC setup with a Sounddcaft Spirit desk and Cymatic UTrack 24. That's for the orchestral stuff. I've just bought a couple of Tascam 238 and I fixed a broken Tascam 688 Midistudio. I just bought a TASCAM DP32SD to see what the latest was like in digital portastudios. The sound is pretty good, but the usability is not for me.....forever pressing buttons to change the screen. So I watched 'Nik the Fix' video on Youtube for the VS1680. Out of all the VS and VM systems I owned, the VS1680 was one I used as my main recorder from the time it came out to the time the VS2480 surfaced. The VS1680 was then demoted to a gigging playback / mixer for a duo I was in and it performed great. You could set up whole set-lists and simply use markers to sort the gig out. You could use the 'STOP AT NEXT MARKER' whic meant you didn't have t physically stop the unit. I think I also used automation to turn the EFX on and off automatically.
All these great features were just for gigging.....but watching Nik's film it reminded me of the great things that were on the 1680....like lots of marker buttons....good editing facilities...TAP tempo from markers for creating TEMPO MAPS (tthere isn't even any midi on the TASCAM DP32SD). So I've just bought a couple of units from Ebay as they're now cheap as chips and I want to try combining stuff to see what the 'limitations' of the RDAC are (if any) and how things now sound to my older ears. I'll try comparing the Soundcraft pres against going straight into the 1680. I'll try running signals via the cassettes first. I'll try running 8 tracks from the phono outs straight into the Cymatic (which can act as a 24 track recorder) and into Presonus Studio One and comparing the WAVS produced against 'exported wavs' created from the 1680's own drive when using the 'VS Wave Export' utility.
The TASCAM is going back.....not because it doesn't sound good, but because it was too fiddly to use and not enjoyable. I don't remember the VS1680 ever not being enjoyable to use.

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