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#1747843 - 08/28/21 05:28 AM Did the 1680 ever increase the SCENE count with updates?
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I've been working up an orchestral template on the 1680 using the virtual tracks to record separate instruments then combining them through sub-mixing to new virtual tracks containing groups of instruments.
I can then select a bank of virtual tracks through SCENE recall, but can only find reference to 8 available SCENES within a song. Did the SCENE count ever increase with the updates?

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#1747878 - 08/28/21 10:41 AM Re: Did the 1680 ever increase the SCENE count with updates? [Re: althemusicwizard]
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what version are you using? Roland's last 2 versions were 2.024 and 2.5. Press/hold the track and status buttons above channel one fader while turning on the power with the power switch on back to bring up the display during boot that shows the full version number (x.xxx).

I don't recall the number of scenes per song off the top of my head, but you can certainly find in by looking it up in the manual - pdf or hard copy.
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#1747910 - 08/28/21 02:28 PM Re: Did the 1680 ever increase the SCENE count with updates? [Re: uptildawn]
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I'm on 2.024. I can't find anything in the V-Expanded manual that updates what is in the original manual, namely that there are 8 scenes. I know my use is probably unusual, but it's strange why the developers gave us 16 virtual track banks to play with, but only 8 scenes in which you can program the virtual tracks to be pulled into each track. I suppose given that the hard drive supplied with the original units was 2Gb (with one partition) and using MTP Pro mode a recording time of 800 minutes at 44.1, if you used all 256 tracks in one song, then your song could be about 3 minutes long.
Much more likely they were planning on a whole song probably employing less than 50 tracks.

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#1747998 - 08/29/21 01:46 AM Re: Did the 1680 ever increase the SCENE count with updates? [Re: althemusicwizard]
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 Originally Posted By: althemusicwizard
I suppose given that the hard drive supplied with the original units was 2Gb (with one partition) and using MTP Pro mode a recording time of 800 minutes at 44.1, if you used all 256 tracks in one song, then your song could be about 3 minutes long.
That is assuming each tracks is used for the entire duration of the song.
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Much more likely they were planning on a whole song probably employing less than 50 tracks.
Much more likely they didnít envision the scene functionality being used in this particular manner. Plus, there are only so many buttons on the front panel.

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#1748002 - 08/29/21 04:53 AM Re: Did the 1680 ever increase the SCENE count with updates? [Re: gyorpb]
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Yes, it's only 20 years later that I'm reviewing their use and finding that what they do (record things), they do extremely well. I used one extensively between 1998 and 2002 and then bought a 2480 thinking that it would be a 'better' machine. In lots of ways it was, but the migration to a screen and a mouse in hindsight is the very thing I've struggled with since stopping programming drum parts in an Atari running Cubase V3 in the 1990s. The actual method of getting down on paper or disk what it is you're creating is almost more important than the 'quality' because it is in those moments where you're free from any technical distractions, that the magic occurs IMHO. The use of virtual tracks, alongside the SCSI2SD hard disk replacement, means I now have a VS1680 which has 32Gb of drive capability and with the use of the VS Wave Export Utility means I can record every track as an original track, submix as go along, all knowing that I can export every track to another recorder / PC for mixing in an analogue domain.
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