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#1326716 - 08/31/14 06:13 AM Vs2000 vs VS1680
Bilko Offline
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Hi all
Which out of the 2 above would you all recommend for a newbie to Roland VS's?
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#1326717 - 08/31/14 06:44 AM Re: Vs2000 vs VS1680 [Re: Bilko]
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Hi. As far as I can make out they all work with the same Roland way of doing things. But the 2000 is going to be far pricier on the 2nd hand market, and they don't all have the main thing that makes the 2000 series the deal maker; ie the VGA output for a screen. It was optional on the 2000s. Expect to pay about $300 for a VGA board, if you can find one.

So if price is high on your radar, the 1680 is going to be a lot cheaper.

Others will no doubt throw their 2c worth of different ideas in; hope that may help, Graeme

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#1326750 - 08/31/14 11:31 AM Re: Vs2000 vs VS1680 [Re: graemest]
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Near as I can make out (being an 1680 owner and scanning the 2000 manual), they're nearly identical. The biggest differences being the 2k has a built-in burner, partition size of to 10GB (as opposed to the 2GB 1680), tons more locators and scenes.... there's more and largely "cosmetic" so-to-speak. Although the points I mentioned could have made the difference for me, had the 2k and 1680 been competing products at the time.

And as Graemest points out, the addition of the optional vga hookup is a major deal, if your 2k has it installed already.

Something I found curious is the lack of detailed specs about the analog-to-digital-analog converters. I have to assume that they are better than the 1680, but there are VS units that came out after the 1680 that don't have as good, or broad options, too.... so unless someone can tell you specifically, the A/D/A converters might be something of concern to you.

Oh! and internal processing bit rate, as well.
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#1326751 - 08/31/14 11:41 AM Re: Vs2000 vs VS1680 [Re: uptildawn]
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The converters on the VS2000 are good (IMHO) tho I use external preamps going in.Besides the VGA,drum machine(use for click track)and virtual fader automation the big thing for me is the USB connection for sending and converting Wave files and backupup files to my computer in seconds.


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#1326799 - 08/31/14 04:27 PM Re: Vs2000 vs VS1680 [Re: Bobkat]
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I wondered about the USB...... what it was being used for, but didn't have time to check.
That's a big PLUS in the 2k column in my book, especially if it's fast.

I also agree with Bobkat - I think using external preamps is a good thing on any VS machine. There just isn't enough fine level adjust on the VS for my needs.
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#1326864 - 08/31/14 08:49 PM Re: Vs2000 vs VS1680 [Re: uptildawn]
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Having owned both of these, there are some other differences:

The 1680 has both optical and coax digital I/O; the 2000 has coax only.

1680 will allow an input to be recorded to two(perhaps more) tracks simultaneously, the 2000 does not(AFAIK, the 2480 won't do this either). This feature is handy for M/S recording, where one track must be phase reversed.

All said, the VS2000 is easier for transferring files, the optional VGA isn't really 'optional'-- after you see that big screen, you'll not want to go back to the LCD porthole.

Which is 'better'? Tough call-- I really miss those things about the 1680, but the USB connectivity and built-in CDRW come pretty close to trumping those.

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#1326935 - 09/01/14 10:32 AM Re: Vs2000 vs VS1680 [Re: dkfackler]
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The VGA, mouse and keyboard capabilities of the 2000 make it much more attractive. Those little LED screens are stupid to navigate through. There is a built in drum machine on the 2000 and harmonizing effect. Other than that, 1680 is a solid machine.
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#1326996 - 09/01/14 03:22 PM Re: Vs2000 vs VS1680 [Re: dkfackler]
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 Originally Posted By: dkfackler


1680 will allow an input to be recorded to two(perhaps more) tracks simultaneously, the 2000 does not(AFAIK, the 2480 won't do this either). This feature is handy for M/S recording, where one track must be phase reversed.

DK

To achieve this in the VS2000 you can always send your input to an aux send or direct path then route that to another track.

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#1327002 - 09/01/14 03:38 PM Re: Vs2000 vs VS1680 [Re: Liquidirt]
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Another consideration I guess is that as the VS machines are out of production, and the 2000 was the most recent one (I think), it's a better bet for spare parts availability.
I've never had a 1680 but I will say that the 2000 is a superb machine....just get one!

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#1327106 - 09/01/14 10:31 PM Re: Vs2000 vs VS1680 [Re: dkfackler]
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 Originally Posted By: dkfackler
the 2000 has coax only ... 1680 will allow an input to be recorded to two(perhaps more) tracks simultaneously, the 2000 does not ... This feature is handy for M/S recording, where one track must be phase reversed.


The 2000 has combo coax/fiberoptic inputs and outputs. I use a digital coax cable as that is what they had at my local electronics store ( no difference in quality between them unless you have the coax near a VERY high RF source ). You can order a fiber optic cable easily enough off the net, just make sure it has the round connectors rather than the square (toslink). You could be forgiven for not knowing they were combo jacks unless you noticed the light coming out the middle.

The 2000 allows you to record to linked tracks. Then you just unlink the tracks. But if you are doing mid side recording then you use 2 microphones and record to 2 tracks independently. Then you reverse the phase on one of the tracks.

Both machines likely use the same preamps ( 5532 opamp ICs ) but the accompanying discrete circuitry on the 2 series is better. The 2 series likely has newer converters ( which may or may not make an audible difference). But IMO the real question is whether you are forced to use RDAC compression on the 1680? Can you record lossless on the 1680?

But if you choose the 2000 be prepared to spend. You need the VGA card. You'll want the 3 card. You'll want a lot of the 3 card plugins. You might even want to leave hard drive angst behind and purchase a compact flash card and converter. You'll appreciate the transparency of the preamps (aka the 5532 opamp ICs) but may want to create a "big" sound so will start looking at outboard preamps that provide "colour". It's an expensive hobby even going down the 2nd hand route :0)

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#1333742 - 10/05/14 07:38 PM Re: Vs2000 vs VS1680 [Re: haysonics]
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Hi, Bilko!

I've owned both machines... and loved both.

For me, the 1680 was easier to operate. Even had two at one point, and the sync worked well.

When moving up to the 2000, I noticed a big improvement in sound quality and features... channel compression, noise gate. Added several of the newer effects cards. Wow!

Of course, the VGA addition is fantastic!

Good luck!

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#1747842 - 08/28/21 05:25 AM Re: Vs2000 vs VS1680 [Re: LarryG]
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Am I right in thinking the VS2000 will only record at 44.1K, 16 bit?
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#1747875 - 08/28/21 10:36 AM Re: Vs2000 vs VS1680 [Re: althemusicwizard]
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according to the published specs, strictly 44.1k sample rate and either 16 bit or 24 bit.
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