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#1833083 - 02/04/23 03:38 PM Incredible Value Guitar
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Has features that you normally wouldnt find on a guitar costing less than $1,000.00.

https://www.amazon.com/Censtar-Stainless...28e6d374b3&th=1

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-revie...ASIN=B0BMV4DGYV

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#1833085 - 02/04/23 03:48 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Adam Warlock]
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They were able to keep cost down by not including portions of the body and the entire headstock.
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#1833086 - 02/04/23 03:49 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Webster]
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Which reminds me.... remember Hondo and Aria Pro?
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#1833088 - 02/04/23 04:07 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Webster]
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Oh yes. One friend of mine had a Hondo V. Another had a Randy Rhoads copy with a Kahler and set neck. Nice. My old lead singer had an Aria Pro. Very nice guitar with a low price
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#1833091 - 02/04/23 04:28 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Adam Warlock]
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My first guitar was a Hondo strat copy. It must have been junky, because my teacher told my parents that I needed a better guitar. That was after my first year of lessons. He wouldn't have said that, unless he really felt that way. Unfortunately, I traded it to get my first amp. I haven't seen it since 1988, but I do remember it being very heavy.

For $1,000, I'd get a used American Performer strat or get on the waiting list for a PRS DGT SE.

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#1833092 - 02/04/23 04:32 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: The Vampire Lestat]
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That guitar I linked is only $279. I typed "could" when I shoulda typed "would". It has features you'd normally find on a guitar costing 4X as much.

Yeah, Ive played some good Hondos and some bad Hondos as well. The last music store I worked at sold them.

My friend's was white:
https://reverb.com/item/5873606-hondo-fo...shell-case-ohsc


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#1833098 - 02/04/23 05:16 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Adam Warlock]
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There were "good" Hondo guitars?
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#1833099 - 02/04/23 05:19 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Webster]
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RR V's came with a warning sticker:

Caution: This guitar shape is known to put people's eyes out
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#1833100 - 02/04/23 05:35 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Webster]
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There were "good" Hondo guitars?

Not that I ever touched. All were like boat anchors; heavy, dead, and dull. Looked the part, didn't play or sound the part.
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#1833107 - 02/04/23 06:04 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: MadGuitrst]
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I've played some good ones. They were set up though. The one friend I mentioned with the V, used it as his main guitar for a while.

Yeah the RR is dangerous. My Kramer's shaped like that.

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#1833108 - 02/04/23 06:34 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Adam Warlock]
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Interesting. I checked out that Reverb listing and that guitar is set neck or neck through. I don't remember ever seeing/playing a Hondo like that.

But yep, a good setup is always key.

FWIW, Hondo was a brand between Samick and IMC, who went on the buy/produce Charvel. Those Charvels were MIJ but the Hondos were MIK, early Korean guitars before they got really good (IMO)....and they did.

IMC was based in Texas, and those Charvels had neck plates that said Charvel USA, even though the necks came with a little sticker that said MIJ. Regardless, those MIJ Charvels were/are really good. I know, I've had 6 of them.

I know Hondo had some guitars made by Tokai in Japan for awhile, but I've never played any of them. Supposedly they were a step up. Of course, Samick went on to be one of the largest producers of guitars in the world. Somewhere along the line Cort was in the picture. IIRC, Cort IS the largest producer of guitars on the planet. Both Cort and Samick make some really good guitars these days (under whatever brands).

I had a Samick Greg Bennett jazz box for awhile and it far belied it's price tag. I just rarely played it so I sold it after awhile, but it was a good guitar.
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#1833109 - 02/04/23 06:48 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: MadGuitrst]
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I've played some nice Cort guitars too. I know they made signature Gene Simmons models for a while. The Ax and the other one he played. Forgot what it was called.

https://youtu.be/xMezYhuit5s

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#1833110 - 02/04/23 07:52 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Adam Warlock]
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Cort makes OEM guitars for many brands, like Schecter, Jackson, Ibanez, PRS SE, some Fenders, G&L, and more I'm sure. Basically, and of those brands that are made in Indonesia, which has really upped their guitar making game and made some great guitars.

I'm not sure about ESP/LTD. Most such manufacturers make guitars all over Asia, like Korea and Indonesia....and, of course, China. It seems the higher end of brands are made in Korea, but Indonesia is catching up.
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#1833243 - 02/05/23 09:18 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Adam Warlock]
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 Originally Posted By: Adam Warlock
Has features that you normally wouldnt find on a guitar costing less than $1,000.00.

https://www.amazon.com/Censtar-Stainless...28e6d374b3&th=1

Customer Review:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-revie...ASIN=B0BMV4DGYV
Just bought one. What the hell! \:D

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#1833389 - 02/07/23 02:49 AM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Mooseboy]
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 Originally Posted By: Adam Warlock
Has features that you normally wouldnt find on a guitar costing less than $1,000.00.

https://www.amazon.com/Censtar-Stainless...28e6d374b3&th=1

Customer Review:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-revie...ASIN=B0BMV4DGYV
Just bought one. What the hell! \:D


Seriously? Looks like a great guitar. Has a bone nut and stainless steel frets. I like that bridge too.

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#1833405 - 02/07/23 10:14 AM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Adam Warlock]
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As a non-guitarist Iím tempted. I have a cheap Takamine acoustic and donít practice nearly enough. My fingers get sore after 10 or 15 minutes. I might make more progress with lighter strings on an electric.
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#1833406 - 02/07/23 10:15 AM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Adam Warlock]
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It'll be here Friday, they tell me. Free shipping + coupon put my final cost just below what the listed price was.
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#1833411 - 02/07/23 11:17 AM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Mooseboy]
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Fantastic! I hope you get a good one.

Xeno, it has a zero fret. So, I'm thinking you can get the action VERY low on that guitar.

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#1833804 - 02/10/23 01:57 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Adam Warlock]
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I just got it. Funny thing, the last geeky guitar I got had a problem with the volume control, this one does too. But I think it's something I can fix.

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#1833837 - 02/10/23 04:07 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Mooseboy]
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So, aside from a fixable wonky volume knob, what's the verdict?
Would you recommend it as an entry-level model for a guitar noob with wussy-soft fingertips?

Adam says it has a "zero fret," and I don't even know what that means. I do understand that a "low action" means it should be easy on the fingers.
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#1833848 - 02/10/23 04:43 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Xenophile]
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Would you recommend it as an entry-level model for a guitar noob with wussy-soft fingertips?
Y'know, at this moment I would. But give me a couple of days with it first before I really set that in stone. \:D
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#1833849 - 02/10/23 04:45 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Mooseboy]
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The Zero Fret is the fret right next to the nut.
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#1833856 - 02/10/23 05:07 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Mooseboy]
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Would you recommend it as an entry-level model for a guitar noob with wussy-soft fingertips?
Y'know, at this moment I would. But give me a couple of days with it first before I really set that in stone. \:D

Meanwhile I really ought to take my Takamine to the tech at the music store and see if they can adjust the action to make it a little easier to play. But it's a $200 beginner's guitar, and I don't know if much can be done to improve it.

Maybe I should just practice more? Nah! I want to be Tommy Emmanuel over night.
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#1833861 - 02/10/23 05:33 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Xenophile]
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If it played okay before, it probably just needs a tiny turn of the truss rod. Why pay someone to use a hex wrench on your guitar?
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#1833866 - 02/10/23 06:18 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Xenophile]
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 Originally Posted By: Xenophile

Meanwhile I really ought to take my Takamine to the tech at the music store and see if they can adjust the action to make it a little easier to play. But it's a $200 beginner's guitar, and I don't know if much can be done to improve it.

Maybe I should just practice more? Nah! I want to be Tommy Emmanuel over night.


Have you tried a lighter gauge of strings? That will be easier on your fingers.

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#1833869 - 02/10/23 06:42 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Wish]
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Well, I just had a 90 minute practice session, rotating between this guitar and my Martin SC-10E (gig on Sunday). It sure is nice and light, and easy on the fingers.

I still have this problem with not being sure where I am on the neckÖ like I did with the headless Carvin I bought several years ago. However, I'm gonna give this about four or five days to see if I can get used to it. The smelly one says that's what it takes.
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#1833875 - 02/10/23 06:58 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Mooseboy]
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Looks nice. I never owned a headless guitar. But 1 of my bass players swore by Steinberger. He played both their basses and guitars and wouldnt play anything else.

a zero fret is the fret right under the top nut. The top nut is only used to set the distance between the strings and the strings rest on the zero fret, resulting in low action.

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#1833910 - 02/10/23 11:25 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Webster]
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 Originally Posted By: Webster
Which reminds me.... remember Hondo and Aria Pro?


After reading some of this thread, I became interested a bit, especially after
I learned that Hondo manufactured some "Warlock body style" guitars. While I
was on Ebay, I happened to notice this headless bass that had some similarities
to the guitar that was pictured in other posts to this thread:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234892898573


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#1833914 - 02/10/23 11:50 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: JohnM]
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I remember those. They sold for a lot cheaper if I remember right. A little over $100 I think. Hohner made great copies as well. I played one. I almost bought it.

https://reverb.com/item/64453099-hohner-g3-t-headless-guitar

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#1833941 - 02/11/23 08:59 AM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Adam Warlock]
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Another thing that was brought to my attention is that the frets on this guitar (stainless steel!) are rounded on the ends, and don't quite extend to the edge of the fretboard. So no fret sprout! Or if there is, the fret edges aren't sharp.
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#1833961 - 02/11/23 12:01 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Mooseboy]
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Cool! I was kinda wondering about that.
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#1833967 - 02/11/23 12:32 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Adam Warlock]
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Does it use regular strings, or does it need special strings?
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#1833968 - 02/11/23 12:47 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: The Vampire Lestat]
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Looks like you have the ball ends at the headstock end and you wind it at the bridge. Here's a similar guitar.

https://youtu.be/EYmkXKhfhlU?t=466

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#1833973 - 02/11/23 01:40 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Mooseboy]
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 Originally Posted By: Mooseboy
Well, I just had a 90 minute practice session, rotating between this guitar and my Martin SC-10E (gig on Sunday). It sure is nice and light, and easy on the fingers.

I still have this problem with not being sure where I am on the neckÖ like I did with the headless Carvin I bought several years ago. However, I'm gonna give this about four or five days to see if I can get used to it. The smelly one says that's what it takes.


For the music I play, it doesn't matter where I am on the neck.
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#1833996 - 02/11/23 03:11 PM Re: Incredible Value Guitar [Re: Ismellelephant]
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For the music I play, it doesn't matter where I am on the neck.
Well I was trying to be nice, but yeah, the way you play it doesn't really matter \:D
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