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#1833316 - 02/06/23 02:17 PM Anyone using Alto TS408s?
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Thinking of getting a pair for my keyboard rig.
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#1833328 - 02/06/23 03:18 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Jazzooo]
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No but I have tried a bunch of different Amps for live keyboards and the Mackie SRM 450 seemed the most transparent.

Probably most powered PA speakers would as well. Something really sucky about amps designed for keyboards.
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#1833332 - 02/06/23 04:50 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Ismellelephant]
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I have a pair of JBL EON 612s that work great. They're pretty big, though. Kind of overkill for smaller rooms, but they really help me keep up with a rock band. Most of the time, if I'm not using IEMs, I'll just bring one to use as a wedge monitor for myself, and I'll send a stereo feed to FOH.

But stereo piano patches tend to really suck when summed to mono. If I want a big, room-filling stereo keyboard sound, the pair of them make a wonderful sound.
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#1833343 - 02/06/23 06:33 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Xenophile]
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I have one I use for a fill speaker. Theyíre ok at best, cheaply made but low in price. Very light too. Canít handle low end very well. Stay away from the TX8.

Iíd opt for QSC CP8 or Yamaha DBR10, or used Yamaha DXR8. $100 more each however. But I really want these things to always work and I tend to be rough with my stuff.
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#1833361 - 02/06/23 08:00 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: motown59]
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Thanks, actually there are two things pushing me towards the altos. On the keyboard forum that I spend a lot of time with, and some people really think that the TSÖ Not the TXÖ 408 or 410 will be manageable for the kind of shows that I play in the kind of venues. plus I just canít lift more than 20 pounds anymore without risking hurting my back. Iím working on that, but Iíve got so much shit to set up that Iíve got a keep this is lightweight and small footprint as possible. Kelly, did you get my email?
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#1833362 - 02/06/23 08:05 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Jazzooo]
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The longer story is that I have loved my Aspen Pittman designed space station V3, a boutique amp that weighs a lot at least for me. However, one of the weird things about the amp is that if you are within six or 7 feet of it, it really doesnít sound very good, and it annoys players on either side because of projection in three directions. Out in the house, I think itís unbeatable. No PA, just fills the room with excellent stereo sound.

But itís gotten long in the tooth and Iím starting to get mystery distortion and other problems, and shipping it to the states for repair is ridiculously expensive and then Iím screwed anyway because I wonít have a performance amp. And most of my gigs are in smaller venues where I canít get the proper distance from it. I need to get something that I can get repaired down here, and alto seems to be very popular with a lot of players.

Iím sure itís hubris, but my whole life Iíve managed to get great results from inexpensive gear. I wonít buy these unless the store gives me the option to return them after a couple of days.


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#1833527 - 02/08/23 09:21 AM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Jazzooo]
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I'm sure you'll do fine with the Altos.....but I think the QSC's are a definite improvement in both sound and durability. Worthy of your consideration if you can get them down there.
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#1833545 - 02/08/23 11:40 AM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Vanillagrits]
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QSC seems to be the go-to powered speaker around these parts. Kind of expensive, but they sound great, and seem to be super reliable.
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#1833549 - 02/08/23 12:26 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Xenophile]
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Yeah, I can't spend that kind of money for QSCs right now and not for the foreseeable future. But I pulled the trigger on a pair of Alto TS410s which should be here next week and will report back. Thanks all for your comments.
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#1833550 - 02/08/23 12:34 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Jazzooo]
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I bet they work out fine, certainly weight wise. You aren't playing with a hard rock band.
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#1833564 - 02/08/23 03:01 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Ismellelephant]
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No, at my loudest it's a pretty powerful fusion band, but then I can run a line out too a house system.
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#1833566 - 02/08/23 03:37 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Jazzooo]
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The TS410 is a better choice than the 408 IMHO.
The Bluetooth interface might prove useful as well.
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#1833567 - 02/08/23 03:53 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Vanillagrits]
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I tried Altos, meh.....

I now need to buy another keyboard/monitor set too. I was thinking Yamaha but might buy whatever good box i can find used for a good deal.

I sold my JBL Eons to buy the EV speakers for mains. I am getting into a new scenario where I need monitors too. Used might be the best way, QSC nice.

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#1833575 - 02/08/23 05:09 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Marty Gilman]
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You have higher standards than I, Marty.
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#1833577 - 02/08/23 05:16 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Jazzooo]
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Doug, as long as you don't push them, they would be fine, until they are not. \:\)

I've been searching FB marketplace, found many used possibilities.

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#1833800 - 02/10/23 01:46 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Marty Gilman]
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Did you use the TX or the TS, Marty? There seems to be a difference.
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#1833809 - 02/10/23 02:21 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Jazzooo]
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I tried the TS, but would advise to buy the TX for its more powerful amp.

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#1833814 - 02/10/23 02:40 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Marty Gilman]
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I think that's backwards--the TS are the newer ones, more powerful amp unless I've got something terribly mixed up.
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#1833850 - 02/10/23 04:46 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Jazzooo]
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sorry, you are right.

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#1834034 - 02/11/23 05:24 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Marty Gilman]
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Well, they showed up. I wasnít expecting a learning curve with speakers :-) but to be honest, itís about the Bluetooth capabilities, which include an app on your phone for fine-tuning equalization. An hour and a half later, and I barely figured out how to do it with one speaker, canít figure out how to link the speakers or to access them separately via the app.

Speakers are loud enough for sure. I am going through a huge adjustment, not having my my amp behind me, or to my side, projecting in three directions. I remember why I loved the space station so much, the simplicity of one box that acted as both a monitor and an amplifier for the audience. Now I wonder how the audience will feel if youíre not sitting in the sweet spot of a stereo signal.

Standing on the ground, they were too far from my ears to be satisfying, unless I pointed them more towards me, which doesnít help the audience. I put them on speaker stands, and itís much better, but thatís two more things I have to bring to a gig, and Iím already doubling the amount of amplification Iím bringing to a gig. I will try them in the wedge position and see if thatís a good compromise.
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#1834039 - 02/11/23 05:55 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Jazzooo]
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I usually put my JBLs on the floor like wedges, and they seem to fill a room quite nicely, with sound bouncing off the ceiling and walls. I bring speaker stands with me for outdoor gigs if weíre not putting instruments through a PA.

I have one of those Space Station things in the garage. It never worked for me on the kind of gigs I play. If it was far enough away from me so that I could hear it right, it was too close to other players and it annoyed the hell out of them. Also, not loud enough for a rock band, even with a subwoofer.
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#1834466 - 02/13/23 12:28 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Xenophile]
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Only you will enjoy a stereo sweet spot for the rig, the audience wonít, regardless of how you configure the monitors. Thatís simply by virtue of distance from the sources collapsing the stereo field, just like listening to your near fields from even like 15 feet away. Most of the rigs I encounter use the powered speakers in wedge monitor configuration, providing a satisfying soundscape for you, the player. I get rigs with speakers on stands too.
But my experiences are 90% on medium to large PA systems. The keys always go through the PA with exception of the smallest venues. In most cases I suggest to the player to not put your speakers on stands aiming at the audience. That just smears the clarity in the house, having the same sound coming out from different distances.
If youíre paying gigs with a PA , then Iíd just create a satisfying soundscape and run a couple XLR cables from the speakers to a couple panned channelsÖthat is only if the PA is configured in stereo. Most of what I see on your gigs are small ďuse your own rigsĒ affairs with something modest to chat with the audience.

Youíre looking to bring less, I understand that. But, if you want the audience to experience dramatic stereo Iíd set up a speaker on a stand for you and run the other across the stage. One becomes your monitor. That sacrifices your aural experience in favor of the audienceís.. and in this config, you can now plug in a mic.


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#1834472 - 02/13/23 01:29 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: motown59]
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Thanks, thatís very helpful although discouraging at the same time. I wish you could have run sound at one of my gigs where my space station was healthy. I never needed a monitor because everyone on stage could hear it, including me. And if I had sufficient distance, it sounded great. Like I said, the problem is when the stage is small enough that weíre sitting on top of it.

Setting them up on the stands, which I have, itís going to take some getting used to because theyíre either right next to my ears or far enough away that I feel slightly disconnected. The finger to key to sound connection on an acoustic piano is, of course, nearly instantaneous. Anything longer than that starts making me a little squeamish.

But since my all in one option is causing the problems now, I guess I just have to deal with it. Let me try it on a gig and I will report back, and I truly do appreciate all the input.

And Kelly, let me ask again did you see my email?
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#1834473 - 02/13/23 01:31 PM Re: Anyone using Alto TS408s? [Re: Jazzooo]
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And to make things weirder, with Mo Ritmo, I have a third keyboard, which requires me using a little mixer, which I have Velcroís to my pedal board anyway. That has lines out, I would probably send to the house, and I will plug my microphone in there.
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