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#391120 - 12/21/05 08:28 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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It's not all that clever - Bear has been doing/advocating this for freakin' years. He has also published his results.
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#391121 - 12/21/05 08:40 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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"It was just clever thinking of Dweil to implement the Burr-Brown in the Pre-Amp stage of the VS2480."

Give me a fucking break, Dweil did not come up with this "clever" idea, my 2480 has been running burr-brown opamps for close to 2 years now, thanks to BearM, I believe he was the first to implement this. Dweil is just playing catch up in regards to the opamp mod.

Some of you guys around here don't have a fucking clue as to what your talking about. Try doing a search for some information from time to time, you just might learn something instead of making a fool of yourself. Credit where credit is due.
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#391122 - 12/21/05 09:07 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Some of you guys around here don't have a fucking clue as to what your talking about. Try doing a search for some information from time to time, you just might learn something instead of making a fool of yourself. Credit where credit is due.
That's A wee bit strong me thinks - the last sentence would have been suffice.

I'll post again later ... about 2009 after I have read every post on this BBS.
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#391123 - 12/21/05 09:23 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Well I didn't know about it until a few weeks ago? I must be living under a rock. Doesn't really matter who thought of it first.
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#391124 - 12/21/05 09:38 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Well I didn't know about it until a few weeks ago? I must be living under a rock. Doesn't really matter who thought of it first.
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#391125 - 12/21/05 09:42 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Easy, there, fellas....

So far as I know:

FalconEddy uncovered the Input Distortion problem, and discovered "The Crank" procedure to temporarily resolve the issue.

I don't know WHO first performed "The Fix", prolly some engineer at Roland, kicking themselves for omitting a dollars worth of components from the PCBoard. The circuit in question was copied intact from the A/D chip manufacturer's data sheet, except for the two resistors that were mistakenly omitted from each channel. OOPS.


BearM first performed the and documented the OpAmpMod. But others had performed a similar mod in other Roland gear, so there was not much new ground here. Somebody had to be first, and AFAIK it was BearM.

We had known about the extra connector spot on the 2480HD, but I think Our New Tech Dweil was the first to actually populate and test it. Cool beans.

And Dweil is the first I know of to modify a 2480HD to include a DVD tray, and not a dang laptop tray, but a decent internal IDE tray. Pretty cool.

But a lot of that is old history, and we don't make folks pass a test when they sign up, so it may look new to them.

Like, how many people think the "Big Yellow Taxi" song is only a year or two old?
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#391126 - 12/21/05 09:46 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Let's remember that in his first post, Dweil specifically stated that he did not come up with these mods himself:

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On the internet there are a number of mods out for this mixer:

1) The channel distortion mod. Roland does this modification for free, but it probably cost 10 times more on shipping costs than the 32 resistors of 1 meg. So, this has to be done.

2) Pre-amp modification. Burr-Brown makes some excellent opamps, but Roland made a big mistake by not putting those in their VS-2480. I am retro-fitting these high quality opamps.

3) Upgrading the harddrive to 120GB.

So far, nothing out of the ordinary.
The two things he did (and states) that are new are the internal-DVD upgrade for the 2480HD and the R-Bus->TDIF converter.

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#391127 - 12/21/05 09:54 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day.
If you teach a man to fish youfeed him for a lifetime.
I personally think we should thank Dweil, Bearm, Karl, Brett,Dot,Kid Surf,Brad and too many others to mention for teaching the rest of us to fish.
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#391128 - 12/21/05 09:55 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Well Bmc, what can I say. Your so right. I'am downloading the internet right now. When I have read it I will give you a 'proper' respons.
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#391129 - 12/21/05 09:57 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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And kudos to dweil for all of his knowledge, cause if he feels like it, he can very easily not share any of this info with us. So thanks again for sharing all this with us.
P.S. ever in Cleveland Oh, i'll buy ya a round!

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#391130 - 12/21/05 10:44 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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A little strong your right, apologies to all.
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#391131 - 12/21/05 12:50 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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I am feeling bad for my inapropriate use of bad language here at the planet, in the spirit of christmas I offer you all this little something to atone for my ways.

http://www.iabpff.org/regions/site/friends.pps

you will need microsoft powerpoint to view this message.
merry christmas to all.
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#391132 - 12/21/05 01:12 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Merry christmas to all(even though i'm Jewish, and I celebrate)!!!!
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#391133 - 12/21/05 01:16 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Merry christmas to all(even though i'm Jewish, and I celebrate)!!!!
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#391134 - 12/21/05 04:10 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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I'm considering having the Op-amp mod done to my beloved VS2480. I called the local Roland authorized service center to see if they had a soldering whiz who would do the mod for me. They told me they wouldn't do the mod because they could lose their Roland certification. I asked if they could recommend someone else in town and they said they wouldn't recommend anyone and I was a fool for even thinking about it.

Any thoughts on how to find a local soldering god?

doorjam

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#391135 - 12/21/05 04:38 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
Menges Offline
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I did it with no problems. I can do it for you if you'd like. 100 Dollars plus parts. I'll put sockets in too.
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#391136 - 12/21/05 04:41 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Have the authorized roland service center ship it to roland's soldering gods? Roland pays for shipping and fixes it for free. Just call Roland for an "RA" (Roland Authorization) number and have the service center ship it to them in LA.

I found a soldering god by looking for a refurbished PC Tower in my local paper. He refurbs PCs and has helped me with installs and upgrading to DVD and he solders like a mad man. Good Luck.
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#391137 - 12/21/05 04:53 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Roland will only fix the distortion problem I thought?
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#391138 - 12/21/05 04:53 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Roland will only fix the distortion problem I thought?
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#391139 - 12/21/05 04:57 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Also if your not to far away, you can use my 2480 in the mean time
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#391140 - 12/21/05 05:48 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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I thought Roland fixed the distortion problem by soldering all of these Op-amps in? If not, what do the solder in to fix the distortion problem?
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#391141 - 12/21/05 07:25 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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It looks like BmC had a epiphany ;-)
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#391142 - 12/21/05 07:29 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Frank.... the fix is just a couple of resistors on each cahnnel...to quote the great man himself(Lakestone Karl)...." I don't know WHO first performed "The Fix", prolly some engineer at Roland, kicking themselves for omitting a dollars worth of components from the PCBoard. The circuit in question was copied intact from the A/D chip manufacturer's data sheet, except for the two resistors that were mistakenly omitted from each channel. OOPS."
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#391143 - 12/21/05 07:45 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Menges where U at? If your close I'll send you one of my 2480s.

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#391144 - 12/21/05 08:03 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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poplikecrazy,
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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#391145 - 12/21/05 09:23 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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BmC,. you could have given some warning as to content!

Some of us here do not want to look at pornography
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#391146 - 12/22/05 01:20 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Poor BmC cant turn a trick today..!!!!!!!!!
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#391147 - 12/22/05 06:37 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Thats alright, I didn't tell Santa on him!


Merry Christmas
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#391148 - 12/22/05 08:08 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Big Nate. I'm in ohio. I see your from Georgia. Fed ex can ship for fairly cheap, and can package the 2480 for you with some good stuff if your willing to mail it. I would have it for about a week.
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#391149 - 12/22/05 08:42 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Can't beat that! Careful Menges, you're gonna be swamped at those rates.

Go Browns

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#391150 - 12/22/05 09:05 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
Menges Offline
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I'm an 25yr old Auto Technician. I really enjoy working with circuitry and stuff. I went to school for it. So like dweil, and everyone else, I'll help anyone I can.
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#391151 - 12/22/05 09:17 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Cool.
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#391152 - 12/26/05 02:01 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Hi all, It has been a while... Lots of changes, have relocated from Jamaica to Arizona. Have been reading a lot. Everything sounds great. I am blowing the dust off of the VS, Menges can you put me in line for some soldering assistance?
Dweil, how is the RBUS to TDIF conversion going?

Best of the New Year to all!!!

God's blessings

Paul
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#391153 - 12/26/05 03:08 PM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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posted 12-12-2005 10:27 AM
I will make some more pictures as soon as I've got the 34 SMD opamps here. Then the whole mixer has to be opened up again and I'll make some pics.

I heard 16 opamps for inputs, and 2 for headphones. what are the other 16 opamps for?
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#391154 - 12/27/05 07:47 AM Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Wow, great thread! Sounds like some worthwhile mods... Is the pre's sound quality difference that huge after the op-amp mod??
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