#391155 - 12/27/05 02:01 PM
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Menges
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Can call Me anytime for help over the phone
Mike @ 440-452-5280
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#391156 - 12/27/05 10:25 PM
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Big nate
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What Dan said, is it that much better? anyone? anyone?
Nate
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#391157 - 12/27/05 10:31 PM
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Menges
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Big Nate. Personally I heard a difference in sound quality after replacing. I used a beta 57 through a vtb1 and recorded some guitar. I was rather amazed at the difference. Like i said, 2604 have a lower noise ration and all around better specs than the 5532. I'll post specs of some of the more popular opamps. I think its clearer, and more (PRESENCE) to my ears at lower levels. I personally think its worth it for less than a hundred dollars in parts
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#391158 - 12/28/05 04:08 PM
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Menges
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DESCRIPTION
The 5532 is a dual high-performance low noise operational amplifier.
Compared to most of the standard operational amplifiers, such as
the 1458, it shows better noise performance, improved output drive
capability and considerably higher small-signal and power
bandwidths.
This makes the device especially suitable for application in
high-quality and professional audio equipment, instrumentation and
control circuits, and telephone channel amplifiers. The op amp is
internally compensated for gains equal to one. If very low noise is of
prime importance, it is recommended that the 5532A version be
used because it has guaranteed noise voltage specifications.
FEATURES
• Small-signal bandwidth: 10 MHz
• Output drive capability: 600 W, 10 VRMS
• Input noise voltage: 5 nV//Hz (typical)
• DC voltage gain: 50000
• AC voltage gain: 2200 at 10 kHz
• Power bandwidth: 140 kHz
• Slew rate: 9 V/ms
• Large supply voltage range: ±3 to ±20 V
• Compensated for unity gain
Here is a link to the complete info on the opamp http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/NE_SE5532_A_SA5532_3.pdf
FEATURES
l DESIGNED FOR LOW COST
l G = 10V/V or G = 0.1V/V
l SINGLE, DUAL VERSIONS
l LOW OFFSET VOLTAGE:
±250mV max, ±3mV/°C max
l LOW GAIN ERROR: 0.01%
l HIGH SLEW RATE: 5V/ms
l FAST SETTLING TIME: 9ms to 0.01%
l LOW QUIESCENT CURRENT: 950mA
l WIDE SUPPLY RANGE: ±2.25V to ±18V
l SO-8 and SO-14 PACKAGES
DESCRIPTION
The INA143 and INA2143 are high slew rate, gain of
10V/V or 0.1V/V difference amplifiers consisting of a
precision op amp with a precision resistor network. The
on-chip resistors are laser trimmed for accurate gain and
high common-mode rejection. Excellent TCR tracking
of the resistor maintains gain accuracy and commonmode
rejection over temperature. They operate over a
wide supply range, ±2.25V to ±18V (+4.5V to +36V
single supply), and input common-mode voltage range
extends beyond the positive and negative supply rails.
Here is the Link to the opamp
http://pdf.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/56695/BURR-BROWN/INA2143UA.html
FEATURES
l LOW DISTORTION: 0.0003% at 1kHz
l LOW NOISE: 10nV/ÖHz
l HIGH SLEW RATE: 25V/ms
l WIDE GAIN-BANDWIDTH: 20MHz
l UNITY-GAIN STABLE
l WIDE SUPPLY RANGE: VS = ±4.5 to ±24V
l DRIVES 600W LOADS
APPLICATIONS
l PROFESSIONAL AUDIO EQUIPMENT
l PCM DAC I/V CONVERTER
l SPECTRAL ANALYSIS EQUIPMENT
l ACTIVE FILTERS
l TRANSDUCER AMPLIFIER
l DATA ACQUISITION
DESCRIPTION
The OPA2604 is a dual, FET-input operational amplifier
designed for enhanced AC performance. Very low
distortion, low noise and wide bandwidth provide
superior performance in high quality audio and other
applications requiring excellent dynamic performance.
New circuit techniques and special laser trimming of
dynamic circuit performance yield very low harmonic
distortion. The result is an op amp with exceptional
sound quality. The low-noise FET input of the
OPA2604 provides wide dynamic range, even with high
source impedance. Offset voltage is laser-trimmed to
minimize the need for interstage coupling capacitors.
The OPA2604 is available in 8-pin plastic mini-DIP
and SO-8 surface-mount packages, specified for the
–25°C to +85°C temperature range.
Here is the link to the rest
http://pdf.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/56745/BURR-BROWN/OPA2604AP.html
I believe this is all three amps.
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#391161 - 01/05/06 02:53 AM
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doorjam
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Bear!!!,
Good to see you posting again brother.
I'm doing the disassmebly and having a local professional take out the opamps and put in sockets. Then I'll reassemble everything. I was planning on using the 2604's for the 16 preamps and 2137's for the headphone amps. Is this what you would recommend at this time?
doorjam
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#391162 - 01/05/06 05:19 AM
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BearM
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Doorjam
Thanks, I’ve been poking in and out a lot more lately and noticed a few new people (cool) . I’ve also come across too many people talkin’ smack (bullshitters) . And I’m not just talking about the regular guys like that sweetsludgepiss cling-on tool either. (By the way, since when did this place turn into a magnet for the hypochondriac’s wet dream “look at me” , munchousen “oh, I have breast cancer now” , hallucinating “look how great I am because of all the great toys they give me to check out from sweetsludgepiss…" the psychotic home of the manic depressants…???) Never mind…
At fist look, the 2137 appears cool (PM me and I’ll tell you why) . When I first looked into this stuff (3 years ago?) , I don’t recall coming across that number chip. At the time, out of all the chips I tested, the 2604’s were my personal favorites (my tests lasted a few weeks using many tube and solid state mics and mic pres) . I was using mostly tube mics and tube gear back then (…come to think of it I still am…) , so I heard something I really liked in the 2604’s. Since the 2134’s had more of a sterile quality (among other things) , they were my choice for the headphones (which should explain itself) . I’m still running the same chips today, and I’m still installing the same chips in the machines I modify.
I think Dweil has done some great work here. I’m not at all trying to take away from his work, but I have a few personal opinions (which I’ll keep to myself) , about the validity of some of it. As long as it raises interest in those wanting to prolong the life of, and get the best use out of their gear… well, enough said.
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You want me to do WHAT with THAT?
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#391163 - 01/05/06 01:15 PM
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Ronaldo
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Hello,
Please forgive my bad English.I was asked to write a little bit of my experience of my modification I had done of my VS2480 by Dweil.I also have done the full modification wich was described in this topic.The resistor modification and the opampmodification and rebuild the VS2480 to a VS2480DVD with a IDE stabile nec dvdburner wich by the way works very fine.I was glad he gave me garanty for his work and that everything works before I went home.The DVD looks awesome.The sound is as if you have a new homestudio.I have also a Yamaha O2R but the sound of the Yamaha is terrible compared with the VS2480.Dweil is also going to do an opamp modification of my O2R.If its ready I’ll write again.
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#391164 - 01/05/06 02:21 PM
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Menges
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Bearm are you refering to me?
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#391165 - 01/05/06 02:51 PM
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redddog
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Bear... the sweet, sensitive way you coddle members here has been sorely missed. I laughed harder at that than anything I've ever read here. I hope all is well Brother.
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#391166 - 01/24/06 12:31 AM
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epiphany
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Last saturday I had my vs2480 pimped by Danny (Dweil). He did the Pre-amp modification and the distortion mod.
I have not had a change to test all in and outs. So far I only have played a cd with a external player connected to Line 1 and 2.
That sounded not bad at all. I will give a full report after I checked all channels.
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#391167 - 01/24/06 04:59 PM
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pabloj
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Hi Guys,
Dweil, how is that r-bus to TIF converter going? I think there is still a place for it...
Pablo
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#391168 - 02/16/06 01:02 AM
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epiphany
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As promised the first results after the mod change by dweil.
Since the outputs were also changed by dweil, I decided to make a remix from a pre recorded song first. My first impression when I heard the unmixed tracks was, Wow!!!!! Much more definition in the sound. The separation between the instruments and vocals was just wonderful.
So remix from scratch it was. The result of the mastermix was far more better than the original. I can’t really described what actually made de difference. But the sound of the new mastermix was really much better.
I am now testing each channel in the record mode. I have not had a change to record a real new song. But what I have heard till now was very surprising.
If anybody knows the sound of the Joe Meek TwinQ, well….. that is what you get.
I have a record session in a church from a BIG choir next month. I think that is the worst location you can imagine. After that session I will make another report of my findings.
I have just one question left. Why did Roland such a poor job in this area ?
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#391169 - 02/16/06 02:40 AM
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onewayout
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What output change?...did you guys change the stereo outs on the 2480??
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#391170 - 02/16/06 04:19 AM
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SteveDWalker
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dweil, what about the rbus to tdiff adapter?
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#391171 - 02/16/06 04:31 AM
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Randyman...
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Originally posted by SteveDWalker:
dweil, what about the rbus to tdiff adapter?
What about clocking - is it stable? I assume both the TDIF unit's clock and the RBUS clock are availible, and to choose a "Master" you set your 2480 and TDIF device appropriately? Or do you have to wire the cable a certain way to "choose" which clock is being used?
I could squeeze a bit more life out of my 2480 if this is an easy deal (TDIF from RME ADI-8 Pro to 2480's RBUS-2, and save ~$370 by not buying another DIF-AT24 ripoff box))...
Thanks
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#391172 - 02/16/06 01:23 PM
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guraknugen
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Originally posted by Dweil:
3) Upgrading the harddrive has to be the easiest modification: just change the drive in the holding bracket and format the new drive. I used a Maxtor 120GB 8MB cache for this job, costs about 90$ (67 euro's to be exact). Some remarks on the formatting: After this is done the VS2480 only shows the first 3 partitions. Do not worry, just turn your mixer off and on again, and all 10 partitions are shown.
I guess that the DVD modification would never be done on my machine since I find it very convenient to easily pull out my hard drive and insert another one. I guess that won't be so easy after modification, will it? And I never backup to CD/DVD anyway. It's just not reliable. Everytime I did it and tried to get my stuff back from the CD, there was always some stuff I couldn't get back. I use my external 160 GB HDD for backups now (I just copy my projects to it) and it has NEVER failed.
Ops, I guess I got way out of topic there, but everytime I talk about CD/DVD I just remember all times of failure during CD/DVD recovers... and it takes so long time compared to copying to an external HDD.
So, back to topic now. I find that OP amp exchange very interesting. Maybe that is something I'd like to do too.
Great job anyway!
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VS-880VX (1996-03-27 – 2001-09-25)
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#391173 - 02/16/06 03:13 PM
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SteveDWalker
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Seems that Dweil is gone with the wind. Last post was on 02-01-2006 11:20 AM.
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#391174 - 02/16/06 08:25 PM
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Dweil
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Not gone with the wind, but busy with your concerns. I'm currently in the final stages of making the R-Bus to T-Dif converter, so hang in there for a little longer.
I am aware of the fact that this is taking a little longer than you expected, but I took the extra mile of developing a double sided printed circuit board for optimal durability of the converter.
The 2480 could be used as a (semi)portable multitrack recording solution so everything developed for it should be built for durability and mobility. So that's why.
I also encountered timing and clocking problems. So, I solved this with a handy interfacing chip between the R-Bus and the T-Dif port. The clocking should be no problem, Both devices negotiate a unified way of syncronising to each other.
To comment on the harddrive issue: The maximum for the internal IDE port is 127GB, due to the lack of 48-bit addressing that every computer motherboard nowadays support. You could buy a 160GB for it, but only 127GB will be used. The SCSI port, interfacing with the SCSI->IDE port, can address well over that 127GB boundary (It is the converter wich has to support that 48 bit addressing).
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#391175 - 02/16/06 08:51 PM
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SteveDWalker
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Cool!
Dweil, Can this RBUS-to-TDIF adapter bring in 8 channels and send out 8 simultaneously? If so, can we bring in 8 channels to process/meter, then send it back out to the same TDIF?
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#391176 - 02/16/06 09:24 PM
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guraknugen
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Originally posted by Dweil:
To comment on the harddrive issue: The maximum for the internal IDE port is 127GB, due to the lack of 48-bit addressing that every computer motherboard nowadays support. You could buy a 160GB for it, but only 127GB will be used. The SCSI port, interfacing with the SCSI->IDE port, can address well over that 127GB boundary (It is the converter wich has to support that 48 bit addressing).
The size of HDDs are usually given in GB, and in the projectlist of VS-2480 the total size of all partitions are also given in GB, not GiB. About Gibi and Giga, check out the IEEE 1541 links in my signature.
Anyway, I have 12 partitions on my SCSI HDD. 11 of these are 11.5 GB = 10.7 GiB. The last partition is "only" 11.4 GB. Just adding those numbers will give us 137.9 GB = 128.4 GiB.
Maybe 11.5 GB is an approximation, so let's say it is 11.45 and let us also say that the 11.4 GB really is 11.35. In that case we have 137.3 GB = 127.9 GiB. So, if the numbers in the project list are right (and why would they be wrong?) we actually have at least 127.9 GiB and 128 is what they say in the owner's manual, so that's probably right. However they talk about 13 partitions with 10 GiB each (yes, they say GB but that's not correct, GiB is the correct unit), but instead each partition is somewhat bigger than 10 GiB (yes, 10.7 GiB) and therefor a 160 GB (or bigger) HDD gives only 12 partitions, not 13.
So the fact that sizes of HDDs are given in GB and the maximum size given in Roland's owners manual is given in GiB (even if they say GB, which is wrong) creates a bit confusion about this...
So what am I trying to say?
1. The maximum useable disk space of VS-2480 is 128 GiB which is the same as 137.4 GB. I have tested this and I actually checked this with my own VS-2480, which have an external 160 GB (=149 GiB) SCSI HDD, a few minutes ago.
2. G=Giga=1 000 000 000, Gi=Gibi=2³º=1 073 741 824
3. Saying GB when meaning GiB is very common, unfortunately, which cause unnecessary confusion.
4. A 160 GB HDD, when placed in a VS-2480, gives you 137.4 GB instead of 120 GB which is 17.4 GB more disk space than a 120 GB HDD. That's about 1.5 VS-2480 partition!
5. In the VS-2480 owner'smanual they talk about GB all the time, but sometimes they mean GiB and sometimes they mean GB. Very confusing indeed. My guess is that they don't really know what they are talking about...
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#391177 - 02/16/06 09:39 PM
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guraknugen
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Ooops... one of the links in my signature was out of date, I have updated it in my profile now, however. Hope it will work.
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#391178 - 02/17/06 04:58 AM
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chipsongs
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Dear GOD! These people's BRAINS are gonna BLOW! WHO THE F**K are these uber-intels? And why aren't they in some gov't facility working on the next WMD? (God forbid!) SHEESH!
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#391179 - 02/17/06 03:01 PM
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SteveDWalker
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In short: 2^37 = 137.438953472 GB
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#391180 - 02/17/06 03:18 PM
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Arjan van Gog
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To confuse matters even more, some manufacturers report formatted disk space while others report unformatted disk space (at least that used to be the case, haven't checked lately). And some have switched from one system to the other (I believe Seagate did at least).
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#391181 - 02/17/06 03:26 PM
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guraknugen
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Originally posted by SteveDWalker:
In short: 2^37 = 137.438953472 GB
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#391182 - 02/17/06 05:55 PM
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Dweil
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I'll take you for granted on the GB issue, it's not my field of expertise.. The R-Bus to T-Dif adapter can send out and receive all 8 R-Bus channels both in and out. Hope that answers your question.
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#391183 - 02/17/06 08:04 PM
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guraknugen
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Originally posted by chipsongs:
Dear GOD! These people's BRAINS are gonna BLOW! WHO THE F**K are these uber-intels? And why aren't they in some gov't facility working on the next WMD? (God forbid!) SHEESH!
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#391186 - 03/30/06 12:28 AM
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trendannoyer
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BearM
//By the way, since when did this place turn into a magnet for the hypochondriac’s wet dream “look at me” , munchousen “oh, I have breast cancer now” , hallucinating//
im not overly impressed at that, sitting as i am with a bald head, and still on medication, i wish to hell i was hallucinating, i wish to hell it WAS "munchousen" but its not, its leukemia i have, cancer if you wish... and my drummer had breast cancer 2 years ago.
i DO realise the comments were most likely NOT directed at me, HOWEVER i DID find them VERY HURTFUL, but if you cant say somthing nice in reguard to people having cancer, then i suggest you dont say anything at all.
iv had this twice now, and to the best of my knowledge i have made 4 posts on the topic in reguard to myself... over 4 YEARS. {was first diagnoised 6 years ago} if you find that too much then it would seem you have never had to deal with serious illness, might i suggest you go visit a cancer ward and talk to some patients there.
i have thought very hard about replying to your comment, and feel its the right thing to do.
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this thread is very enlightening, despite these mods having been about for quite some time its good to revisit things if someone new to the group can add further info and fresh eyes.
i DO remember seeing somewhere a page with lots of pics of (i think) 2480 innards and the person had soldered on the (argh brain drain.. cant think of the word!) little things you slot the chips into on the circut board, in order to try out differant op amp chips.... any one remember that?
could have been one of the members already mentioned above? could be im remembering wrong.
cerdit to all those responsible for the modding of the 2480.
Rod
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#391187 - 03/30/06 02:24 AM
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I think, Bear, BmC and few others don't really mean to be causing any harm but they do have a way with words that's offending to others. I mean, if they were one of our best friends and said something in person to you, it might not be so offensive to us. That's the thing with the printed word, I know, they give us smilely faces to add to text but not all of us think to use them. I'm not sure which ones could be used within BearM's text and actually make it less offensive. I don't know, maybe he's had a bad day ect...?
You never know who the person is on the other end of that connection, muchless if the guy has had a bad day, year or even a bad life so somethings that mean nothing to one person can really hurt another. I try to ignore it and for the most part that works but some people just keep on ragging and it's not a good way to present ones self, IMO.
Trendannoyer,
I really feel for you, I've been thru a lot myself and many in my family have been thru what you are going thru right now. I only hope that it does get better and finally goes away for good, cancer can really suck. Get well soon. :thumb:
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#391189 - 03/30/06 05:27 AM
Re: Pimp my VS-2480 !
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Frank Griffith
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Registered: 03/09/05
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I mean, really guys, we all have a bone to pick from time to time and taking it too seriously when it's only words is not very productive. I've had my bad days before, for sure and most of us have. It's all part of our human nature and we're all human, as far as I know, ET and all, lol. The best think to do is to just forgive and forget. :thumb:
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