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#450711 - 11/26/06 07:52 AM VM7100 O/S version: "Provisional version"?
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Hi folks. One of the bands I do sound for has a VM-7100 mixer and processor that they scored off ebay a while back. I've had some challenges getting it set up the way I want for the last while but I had it working smooth as silk tonight. This was the 3rd and most successful gig we've had with it thus far.

Most of the trouble I've had has been driver error (me being the driver \:o ) but after tonight me suspects a bug in the software! Let me elaberate. Before the gig I set up my routings and had everything working smooth. 10 input channels works out perfect for this band: Kik/snare/OH X 2/bass/steel/acoustic/V-1/V-2/V-3.

As Efx-1 & 2 are defaulted to FB (FlexBus) 1 & 2 and routed back to the main mix, I routed my monitor mixes as: FB-3=drum mix; FB-4=bass, and so on, with the 3 Vox ending up on FB-7. Then I patch FlexBusses 3-7 to the first 5 channels of the monitor board (Boss 8-ch powered mixed). With the monitor board strategically placed onstage, this routing gives the steel player (almost) total control over the monitor mix.

Sound-check went perfect so I saved the project and shut down the system. When I got back and powered everything up I was horrified and panick-stricken to find my routings all changed back to their defaults. I almost blew a gasket trying to get things back the way I had them. I finally got things routed just seconds before the band walked on stage. What a huge load of stress off my shoulders that was! Talk about pressure!!!

The rest of the night was flawless. After the gig I powered down the VMC-7100 controller and rebooted it to see what O/S version it was running, as I suspected (more like hoped) it might be outdated and there would be a newer O/S update by now that took care of this bug. To my surprise it says "Provisional Version. Not for sale!" I'm not sure what to make of this. Has anyone else heard of such a thing? Can the O/S be updated? From where I sit, it doesn't look good. I guess it couldn't hurt to try... or could it? Maybe a call to Roland tech support is in order.

Or maybe the routing issue isn't even a bug. Maybe I need to save the routing to an EZRouting user patch like the VS units? Hmmm... did I just answer one of my own questions? Still doesn't explain "Provisional Version". Suggestions? Thoughts? I'll take 'em all with a side of logic and understanding please! :p

Ray
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#450712 - 11/26/06 09:15 PM Re: VM7100 O/S version: "Provisional version"?
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Sounds like it was a demo/exhibition model (like something Roland would show at AES, etc)?

I'd bet you could still update the Firmware - but I have no clue how to do that on the VM... Via MIDI SMF maybe?

Odd indeed. Could it simply be a dead B/U Battery (the little "Button Cell" inside) causing you to loose your settings on shut-down? That thing does have close to a decade of use on it IIRC...

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#450713 - 11/26/06 11:14 PM Re: VM7100 O/S version: "Provisional version"?
xray1999 Offline
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Hi Randy. Thanks for the response. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the SMF update. The more I think about the routing issue, the more I'm convinced that it's a matter of saving it as an EZRouting user-template, the same as you'd do on a VS.

The unit keeps the time and date so I believe the battery is ok, though it may be worth changing out just for peace of mind. It is indeed an older system, probably first-generation, but it's in excellent condition. So far everything works and nothing's missing (knobs, buttons, etc.) It needs to be loaded up with fx cards though. It has the on-board processor with room for 3 VS8F-2 cards. It already has the 3 R-Bus cards and the cascade kit installed, so expanding won't be much of a problem when the right deal comes along.

I am quite impressed with what the VM7100 is capable of. I was very satisfied with the mix by the time the first song was done. I walked around the room of about 300 seated people and about 50 standing. The mix was warm and clear, and filled the room without deafening anyone up front. And get this: All I was using for mains was a pair of PV 300-watt 15" full-range speakers on stands powered by a Crown MX602 (I think that's the model). I got a lot of compliments on the sound at the end of the night.

Ray
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#450714 - 11/26/06 11:32 PM Re: VM7100 O/S version: "Provisional version"?
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I would actually prefer to use a VM-7200 instead of my 2480 (I use the 2480 strictly as a PA Mixer)! The VM's seem to be a bit more flexible (12 Aux's, and more direct outs IIRC - EXACTLY what I need from the 2480), and the 3rd RBUS Port is a blessing (in discuise - but still a blessing \:\) ). I still search eBay for those from to time - as if I see a screaming deal - I'll jump on it (and sell my 2480).

Are the VM's Channel Strips pretty much identical to a 2480? EQ and Dynamics, etc? The VM and a V-Fire would make a pretty sick PC Interface, too ! You could send all 16 channels to the PC, and STILL have Aux's available to do HP Mixes, etc (You have to use the 2480's Aux Sends and Direct Busses to get 16 channels into a PC).

Once you get this "Routing initialization" issue figured out, it sounds like you will be golden!

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#450715 - 11/28/06 11:07 PM Re: VM7100 O/S version: "Provisional version"?
xray1999 Offline
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Yeah, the channel strips are set up the same as the 2480/2400. I like the channel strip dynamics. They are quite transparent in a live setting, though I did find them a little noisey and quirky when adjusting them. But once they're set up properly they smooth things out nicely. I don't much like the idea of giving up an eq band in order to have dedicated dynamics but I guess I can live without it if I have to. ;\)

I was reading through the manual today and deciphered that I need to save a scene in order to save my routing. Never did thought of dat! \:D

I'd still like to know the skinny on this "Provisional Version" O/S and wether it can be upgraded. Where's Laura Tyson when you need her?! ;\)

Ray
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#450716 - 12/11/06 10:22 AM Re: VM7100 O/S version: "Provisional version"?
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You may want to contact Roland directly as they support these mixers.
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#1073995 - 10/18/11 09:58 AM Re: VM7100 O/S version: "Provisional version"? [Re: Frans]
belaville Offline
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Has anyone used a VM-7100 as a control surface for a DAW an if so how did you hook it up?
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