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#607246 - 11/02/06 08:57 PM Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Sex Allegations: National Association of Evangelicals pastor resigns
Denver, Colorado - The resignation came a day after a male escort claimed he has been having a sexual relationship with the pastor for the past three years.

A statement from the New Life Church says Pastor Ted Haggard resigned as president of the National Association of Evangelicals Thursday and put himself on leave from his church.

Haggard is the founder and senior leader of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs. The church has 14,000 members.

The statement says Haggard could “not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations.”

Mike Jones, a gay man and admitted male escort, said on talk radio Wednesday he and Haggard had been in a “sexual business” relationship for the past three years.

Jones also says Haggard used methamphetamine in his presence.

Haggard denied the allegations in an exclusive interview with 9NEWS Wednesday night.

The statement from Martin Nussbaum, legal counsel for New Life Church, says Haggard put himself on administrative leave pending an investigation and a decision by the church’s board of overseers.

“I am voluntarily stepping aside from leadership so that the overseer process can be allowed to proceed with integrity. I hope to be able to discuss this matter in more detail at a later date,” said Haggard in the statement.

In the interim the church’s associate senior pastor will serve as acting pastor of the church.

Haggard is married with five children and an outspoken critic of gay marriage.

Nussbaum stresses Haggard’s decision to resign from the National Association of Evangelicals and go on administrative leave is in no way an admission of guilt.

Nussbaum says the church’s bylaws state that when an allegation of immorality is made, a pastor is supposed to go on leave while the rest of the board makes a decision on his future.

Former NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw profiled Haggard in 2005 in a series on mega-churches. Haggard was also listed by Time magazine as one of the 25 most influential Evangelicals in America last year

man it must suck to be a gay republican....pun intended
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#607247 - 11/02/06 09:00 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Ya know this little tweakin' bible thumper duz have a seiouz Liberace vibe goin on.
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#607248 - 11/02/06 09:01 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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oops meant to say

pole smokin',tweakin' bible thumper

soorry
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#607249 - 11/02/06 09:16 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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The crap always hits the fan for these guys at some point. Do they think they will never be exposed?
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#607250 - 11/02/06 09:21 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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I don't know anything about this guy-but these are the statements that catch my eye from the quoted article:

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"Haggard denied the allegations"

“I am voluntarily stepping aside from leadership so that the overseer process can be allowed to proceed with integrity. I hope to be able to discuss this matter in more detail at a later date”

"Haggard is married with five children and an outspoken critic of gay marriage."
I'll wait to see how this pans out before commenting further.
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#607251 - 11/02/06 09:23 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Originally posted by Brian Roberts:
I'll wait to see how this pans out before commenting further. [/QUOTE]


Brian..you do that... \:D
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#607252 - 11/02/06 09:25 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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I have a gut feeling he has had a male organ in his mouth.
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#607253 - 11/02/06 09:29 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Personally I think everyone needs sex! But I don't automatically assume guilt just because someone is accused...regardless of how much we all like to see the holier than thou, fall.


Too much like "The Crucible"
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#607254 - 11/02/06 11:05 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Originally posted by Stuart:
than thou, fall.


Too much like "The Crucible"
I think you mean Crucible 2...went straight to dvd...it was about a Evangelical anti gay bible thumper who was a closet meth usin' pole smoker. :clap:
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#607255 - 11/02/06 11:13 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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We'll, now he can be the leader of the oral majority.
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#607256 - 11/02/06 11:16 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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the picture alone, scares me. More of a Dexter vibe.
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#607257 - 11/02/06 11:26 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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I've got a great idea. Let's take the word of the male prosititute over the word of an Evangelical Pastor. That sounds like a really smart thing to do. Let's hang the Pastor out to dry just because some male prostitute says, on the radio, he's had a sexual relationship with him. How can you expect to retain credibility if you sling this stuff around? Have you become your enemy?
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#607258 - 11/02/06 11:31 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Originally posted by Doofie:
I've got a great idea. Let's take the word of the male prosititute over the word of an Evangelical Pastor. That sounds like a really smart thing to do. Let's hang the Pastor out to dry just because some male prostitute says, on the radio, he's had a sexual relationship with him. How can you expect to retain credibility if you sling this stuff around? Have you become your enemy?
Good point doofie but given past experiences it makes the story quite believeable. Time will time and personally I really don't care one way or the other.
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#607259 - 11/02/06 11:46 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Smelly, my real point is, if we are to be distinguishable from our enemy, then we had best not do what our enemy does. And this crapslinging does nothing to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Keep it on the shelf, yes. On irrefutable evidence, bury him. But on hearsay? Don't sink to the depths of the enemy. Give the people seeking integrity a place of integrity go to.
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#607260 - 11/02/06 11:48 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Well I'm pretty low....not easy being an american.
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#607261 - 11/02/06 11:59 PM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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No you're not.
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#607262 - 11/03/06 01:33 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Haggard is married with five children and an outspoken critic of gay marriage.
To me this seems like a case of revenge from the homo community.

I'd vote innocent until proven guilty.

Homos can say a critic of gay marriage or homosexuality had an affair with them, and people would believe it and destroy the persons career.

I need more than hearsay to believe. I need strong evidence or an admission of guilt

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#607263 - 11/03/06 01:45 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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"I've got a great idea. Let's take the word of the male prosititute over the word of an Evangelical Pastor."

Well, at least the former pays taxes. Anyway, it shouldn't be too hard to determine who is telling the truth from this point forward. let's see what happens.

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#607264 - 11/03/06 01:47 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Kday

I think ur boy suffer's from Reaction formation


Here is the profile per Dr Freud


Reaction formation:

A man who is overly aroused by pornographic material who utilizes reaction formation to take on an attitude of criticism toward the topic may sacrifice many of the positive things in his life including family relationships by traveling around the country to anti-pornography rallies. This view may become an obsession, whereby the man eventually does nothing but travel from rally to rally speaking out against pornography. He continues to do this but only feels temporary relief because the deeply rooted arousal to an unacceptable behavior such as watching pornography is still present and underlying the implementation of the defense. At that point he can be said to have developed an obsessional personality above and beyond the defense mechanism.

It has been speculated that an example of Reaction formation is homosexuals acquiring hateful views toward homosexuality, thus turning them into homophobes.


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#607265 - 11/03/06 02:00 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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I wonder if the chapter called "Meth and your Man" will be in the paperback version?
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#607266 - 11/03/06 02:25 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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It has been speculated
Speculation and guestimation goes in the garbage can when you playing with a mans life. The man could be guilty we don't know yet, but considering his background I definitely wouldn't vote or assume him guilty unless there's strong evidence or admission of guilt.

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A man who is overly aroused by pornographic material who utilizes reaction formation to take on an attitude of criticism toward the topic may sacrifice many of the positive things in his life including family relationships by traveling around the country to anti-pornography rallies. This view may become an obsession, whereby the man eventually does nothing but travel from rally to rally speaking out against pornography. He continues to do this but only feels temporary relief because the deeply rooted arousal to an unacceptable behavior such as watching pornography is still present and underlying the implementation of the defense. At that point he can be said to have developed an obsessional personality above and beyond the defense mechanism.
All this stuff here ^^^^speculation is made up fables and not enough to believe or convict.

In the court of justice I'd rather believe the outstanding citizen and preacher of morality, than to believe a male prostitute & dirty whore without evidence.

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It has been speculated that an example of Reaction formation is homosexuals acquiring hateful views toward homosexuality, thus turning them into homophobes.
This statement seems like it was written by a homosexual. Considered one of the most backward assumptions I've ever heard.

You have to also consider that now most gays often say and consider themselves born with a backwards brain defect, that causes them to desire and lust after the same sex. \:D

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#607267 - 11/03/06 04:06 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Mike Jones, 49, of Denver told The Associated Press he decided to go public with his allegations because of the political fight. Jones, who said he is gay, said he was upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage.

"It made me angry that here's someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex," said Jones, who added that he isn't working for any political group.

Jones, whose allegations were first aired on KHOW-AM radio in Denver, claimed Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years. Jones also said Haggard snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience.

Haggard and his attorney, Martin Nussbaum, did not return calls Thursday night from the AP.

Jones said he had advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and that a man who called himself Art contacted him. Jones said he later saw the man on television identified as Haggard.

He said that he last had sex with Haggard in August and that he did not warn him before making his allegations this week.

Jones said he has voice mail messages from Haggard, as well as an envelope he said Haggard used to mail him cash. KUSA-TV reported excerpts from some of the alleged voice mails late Thursday.

"Hi Mike, this is Art," one call began, according to the station. "Hey, I was just calling to see if we could get any more. Either $100 or $200 supply."

A second message, left a few hours later, began: "Hi Mike, this is Art, I am here in Denver and sorry that I missed you. But as I said, if you want to go ahead and get the stuff, then that would be great. And I'll get it sometime next week or the week after or whenever."

Jones said Haggard was referring to methamphetamine.

"There's some stuff on there (the voice mails) that's pretty damning," he said.

Haggard, who is about 50, was appointed president of the evangelicals association in March 2003. He has participated in conservative Christian leaders' conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court appointees after Sandra Day O'Connor announced her retirement.

After Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2004, Haggard and others began organizing state-by-state opposition. Last year, Haggard and officials from the nearby Christian ministry Focus on the Family announced plans to push Colorado's gay marriage ban for the 2006 ballot.

New Life Church member Brooks DeMio, 44, said he thinks Jones is a liar and can't believe Haggard would engage in sex with a man.

"He loves the Lord, homosexuality is a sin and that's not Ted," DeMio said. "His desire is to serve other people and uphold the word of God. ... I don't know him well enough to give a complete character description, but I know him enough to know it's not true."


Looks like Brooks is in for a BIG suprize
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#607268 - 11/03/06 04:15 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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He's got a purty smile...wonder why he resigned?
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#607269 - 11/03/06 04:31 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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He's got a purty smile...wonder why he resigned?
So he can go into rehab with Foley? \:D
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#607270 - 11/03/06 05:02 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Originally posted by Milkman:
He's got a purty smile...wonder why he resigned?
So he can go into rehab with Foley? \:D
Foley [i]has[/] extended his 30 day re-hab.

Maybe he is expecting a new roommate..

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#607271 - 11/03/06 05:26 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Maybe he is expecting a new roommate..

All they need next is Kenny Boy Mehlman to be outed and they could have an awesome 3 some.



O BTW the cat who is taking over for Haggard as pastor just told ABC that the accusations are true.... :rolleyes:
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#607272 - 11/03/06 05:29 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Pastor: Haggard has made some admissions

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo.


There are reports of an admission in an alleged gay sex scandal involving an evangelical leader.

The Reverend Ted Haggard has stepped down as head of the National Association of Evangelicals and leader of New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, amid accusations that he regularly had sex and did drugs with a man he met over the Internet.

Haggard has denied the allegations. But the acting senior pastor at New Life tells a Colorado Springs television station (KKTV) that Haggard has admitted that some of the accusations are true. The Reverend Ross Parsley doesn't say which ones.

Haggard's accuser says he decided to go public because Colorado is considering an amendment to ban gay marriage. Mike Jones says he was upset to discover that Haggard and the New Life Church oppose same-sex marriage.

I guess Reverend Ross must be an angry homo looking for revenge huh Kday?
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#607273 - 11/03/06 06:18 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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I guess Reverend Ross must be an angry homo looking for revenge huh Kday?
Nah, Just Mike Jones, a gay man and admitted male escort :thumb:

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#607274 - 11/03/06 06:27 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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I've read the terms "Guilty or not guilty" in this thread. I guess what makes a person Guilty or not guilty, is if they deny what they are doing. Because if this were 2 admitedly open gays there would be no guilt involved with the conversation. As a matter of fact, This might even be construed as a gay bashing thread. If you ask some gays, they may even tell you thaT THEY ARE Christian gays. So I guess the fact that this guy might be a christian gay "IN DENIAL" or even a non Christian gay "In Denial" would somewhat be a matter of our own compation toward them. JMHO
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#607275 - 11/03/06 08:16 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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When he admitted some accusations are true, he is saying there WAS something going on but I'm not hanging myself any further.

There should be a nude public flogging for charletan evangelists \:\)

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#607276 - 11/03/06 08:23 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Smelly, my real point is, if we are to be distinguishable from our enemy, then we had best not do what our enemy does.
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#607277 - 11/03/06 08:25 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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The title of this thread is "Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater". Where in any of the articles did it state that this guy was a Republican?
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#607278 - 11/03/06 08:27 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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They all are . \:\) \:\) \:\)


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#607279 - 11/03/06 10:13 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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"There should be a nude public flogging for charletan evangelists"
Marty, I love the idea.



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#607280 - 11/03/06 10:21 AM Re: Another Anti gay republican Evangelical self hater
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Originally posted by Stuart:
Personally I think everyone needs sex!
Yeah, but do they need sex with everybody? \:\)
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