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#646989 - 01/30/07 06:09 PM sting sings john dowland
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any of you got this cd from 2006 yet?
a student gave it to me today. i love john dowland.
here´s a sample: come again
i really enjoy sting´s and his lutenist´s musical approach, but what is it with the sound?? that´s got to be the worst acoustic tracks i have ever heard.
everything drowns in ugly reverb (probably recorded in a cathedral and then compressed to the max?).
the exciter on the voice may be good for rock songs, but here?
lots of noise, deep frequent rumble...
i hardly can´t stand it.

for comparison i grabbed a recording of this song that i did with a friend (he´s not a singer, but an actor) just for fun in 2001. guitar direct in, a microphone, took us ten minutes and me a bit of mixing.
ok, sting has picked a more adequate tempo, his intonation is better, the lutenist does a lot of beautiful ornamentation, and their idea for the last verse is brilliant. but i´d pick my amateur production over sting´s professional recording any day. \:\)
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#646990 - 01/31/07 12:17 AM Re: sting sings john dowland
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Thank you , Klaus. \:\) I have some of Dowland’s works on LPs that are packed away with the rest of my vinyl--haven’t listened to any of it in a long time. “Worst acoustic tracks” you’ve ever heard? You obviously haven’t heard some of mine. ;\) But yeah, that’s an extremely wet guitar (I liked yours better—very nice). Sting amazes me sometimes with the breadth of stuff he can do. He nailed that vocal trill, didn’t he?
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#646991 - 01/31/07 03:32 AM Re: sting sings john dowland
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The vocal sounds more compressed than the guitar to me--well, maybe both of them at parts. The vocal sounds like it was done with the "vintage tube harmonics" setting on a Presonus Vocalmaster Pro preamp. I don't really find the verb objectionable though--I've always liked that wet sound.

On the other hand, I have to agree that overall, your recording sounds better. Your singer, while maybe not having perfect intonation, conveys more emotion I think. Sting sounds kind of detached--almost indifferent--on his version (like it was a mere exercise in vocal etudes or something).

Of course, your playing is, as always, excellent.
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#646992 - 01/31/07 07:03 AM Re: sting sings john dowland
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 Quote:
Originally posted by BassPlayer:
Thank you , Klaus. \:\) I have some of Dowland’s works on LPs that are packed away with the rest of my vinyl--haven’t listened to any of it in a long time. “Worst acoustic tracks” you’ve ever heard? You obviously haven’t heard some of mine. ;\) But yeah, that’s an extremely wet guitar (I liked yours better—very nice). Sting amazes me sometimes with the breadth of stuff he can do. He nailed that vocal trill, didn’t he?
Chip, i´ve always felt particularly attracted to the english renaissance music and to dowland´s music in particular. and, yes, i have always felt that it deserved to be performed the way sting does rather than in the way many a classically trained singer does.
it´s a pity, though, that the sound of the entire cd causes me ear-bleeding.
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#646993 - 01/31/07 07:11 AM Re: sting sings john dowland
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Originally posted by Brian Roberts:
[QB] The vocal sounds more compressed than the guitar to me--well, maybe both of them at parts. The vocal sounds like it was done with the "vintage tube harmonics" setting on a Presonus Vocalmaster Pro preamp. I don't really find the verb objectionable though--I've always liked that wet sound.
yeah, Brian, de gustibus non disputandum. i feel like i have to fight myself through the wall of sound to get to the music.
this is probably the reason why i could never get anything out of organ music. you don´t get to hear it without the church it is in (not a religious problem, in this case, but an acoustic one. ;\) ).


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Of course, your playing is, as always, excellent.
ah, come on. i wish i had just a little bit of the musical inspiration that sting´s lutenist (forgot his name) is in hold of.
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#646994 - 01/31/07 07:12 AM Re: sting sings john dowland
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I couldn't even get past the first 20 seconds of the sting version... he sounds completly uncaring.. like Brian said, its a vocal exercise for him.. now your version? EXCELLANTE!!!! (or however you spell it)..
I could totally feel the emotion in yours, while Stings just seemed like it was dialed in.. to shame.. TO SHAME!!!!
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