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#688373 - 04/09/08 11:33 AM Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840
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Installing an IDE to Flash Media (CF or SD) Adapter in a Roland VS-840

Foreward: There are several great reasons to convert a VS-840 to an EX OS v2.05 with an IDE Flash Media (CF or SD) Adapter. 1) Silent operation. 2) Song backup to a PC equipped with a Flash Media reader/writer. VS-840 formatted disks are FAT16 and recognized by Windows OS. 3) Convert VS-840 sound files to WAV using Roland's free BR8 to WAV Converter software program available from the http://www.rolandus.com. It even converts VS-840 MT1 files (Jim Y*).

Prerequisite and Qualifications: These instructions assume your VS-840 has been updated to EX OS v2.05. While the CF and SD mods work with GX OS v2.52 (marcomenator*), the GX has 16 V-tracks which means songs must be converted to EX format (8 V-tracks) before using the Roland BR8 to WAV Converter. Several users have flashed their GX machines backward to EX OS v2.05 to take full advantage of the CF or SD mods. Flash update files and instructions are on the Roland US site.

Caution and Disclaimer: No warranty is expressed or implied herein. Use these instructions at your own risk. If your VS-840 suffers a BAD FLASH, or you break it doing the hardware mod, you are responsible. If you live where it's dry and cold, take appropriate anti-static precautions.

CF Adapters that work in a VS-840EX with v2.05 OS:

SD/MMC/MS Adapters that work in a VS-840EX with v2.05 OS:

DISCONTINUED CF and MULTI Adapters that work in a VS-840EX with v2.05 OS:

CF and MULTI Adapters that DO NOT work:

A few things you should know:

1) Not all CF cards are compatible. A partial list of known compatible CF cards are:
  • TwinMOS 512Mb, p/n FCF512S (Jim Y*)
  • PQI 512Mb, p/n AC16-5120-0121 (John444*)
  • Rosewill 512Mb, p/n RCF512 (John444*)
  • Lexar 512Mb, p/n 2175 and p/n 2431 (DrMarvelo*) and 2434 (pahollenbergs*) and 2250A (GrahamP*) and Lexar 2175A (Jimmyrock*)
  • Verbatim 512Mb, p/n 47009 (Desoto*)
  • Kingmax 512Mb, p/n KCF512M-TB (Jim Y*)
  • Sandisk 1Gb, p/n SDCFB (Jimmyrock*)
  • Lexar 1Gb, p/n CF1GB-231 (DrMarvelo* and Dhart*)
  • Kingston Elite Pro 1Gb, p/n CF/1GB-S (Jim Y*)

A partial list of known compatible SD and MMC cards are:
  • inx 512Mb, p/n A371016 0512 0741 (John444*)
  • Sandisk 1Gb, p/n BB0717612050D (John444*)
  • PNY 1Gb, p/n SD-M01G 0521 TK0183L (John444*)

2) VS-840EX formatted 256Mb CF cards are incompatible with Windows OS. All 256Mb CF cards suffer from the same format issue as ZIP 250 disks. While a CF equipped VS-840EX can use a compatible 256Mb CF card, Windows can NOT read or write to it.

3) ACS CF drive rendered inoperable the SCSI port in my VS-840 original (John444*). SCSI port remains operable in VS-840GX back flashed to v2.05 (TonJ*).
The SCSI port has been re-tested with the ACS adapter and it works. A faulty ZIP drive or cable was apparently responsible for the erroneous results of the first test (John444*)

This is an easy modification. Help is available here at VSPlanet.com in the VS-840 forum.

Finally, thanks to Jim Yale (JimY) who pioneered the CF mod and helped me find a CF adapter in the US. Thanks also to the Planeteers who've experimented with other drives and media and reported their findings, included herein. Now lets make some sparks! ( ;\) )

Jack Helser, aka Cornjerker (formerly John444) at VSPlanet.com

* = Tested and Confirmed by VSPlanet member name.

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This post is maintained by the author. It is available in PDF format with 14 photographs and detailed instructions for making the hardware modification, at the author's web site, below. Alternate flash readers and media as reported *in this thread*, will be added to this document via periodic updates.

http://vs840.vjam.net/vs840cf_install_revH.pdf (800Kb)



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#688514 - 04/09/08 05:08 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Nice job Corny! This should become a sticky for sure!

You would know it did bring up a question.

I've always recorded my songs with the MT2 setting. Is this the norm, since it's supposedly the best quality or do most use MT1?

Does this question even make any sense, since i don't have my manual in front of me to know what I'm asking?

Whew, that last question didn't even make sense to me.

Trying to make life easier.

P.S. pray for Gregg Allman. He's very ill right know.

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#688524 - 04/09/08 05:30 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: jazz4man]
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Here is a 512 that works Lexar 2175 which is listed above so may just be a duplicate but mine has an additional Rev A aprt number on it.

Here is a 1 gig that does not work: SANDISK SDCFJ copywrite '03

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#688525 - 04/09/08 05:30 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: jazz4man]
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MT1 is better quality - years ago, JimY did some tests with MT1 and MT2 by bouncing tracks and measuring the noise introduced by bouncing ... MT1 was measurably better than MT2 as I recall. The only limitation on MT1 is recording 2 tracks at once, compared to MT2 which records 4. I did my first CD in MT2, on VS-840 with 100Mb zip disks. Funny - I remastered a couple yesterday in the PC after bringing them over via BR8 to WAV Converter - after normalizing tracks, mixing down, compressing the master to -14db average rms power, I can hear the ZIP drive churning on the fade outs ... ;\) Ah the memories ... \:p

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#688526 - 04/09/08 05:31 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: jimmyrock]
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Thanks Jimmy. It's official, Sandisk is a pain in the butt! ;\) \:p
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#688529 - 04/09/08 05:34 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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 Originally Posted By: Cornjerker
Thanks Jimmy. It's official, Sandisk is a pain in the butt! ;\) \:p


Well I had nothing to lose when I purchased these becasue I needed one for my camera, so the first one worked on the 840 the second one didnt and its in my camera today.

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#688548 - 04/09/08 05:55 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: jimmyrock]
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All my flash gear uses SD media - so I've bought a cheap IDE to SD reader to try in my 840 - will report on that after testing ... there seems to be greater availability of small SD cards than CF cards anymore ... so if it works, it would let me standardize on SD media, and might alleviate the problem with scarcity of 512Mb to 1Gb CF disks.

And now, if you'll excuse me, I have a date with 1 lb. of raw hamburger.

Jack

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#688558 - 04/09/08 06:35 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Are you saying that you can't record e.g. tracks 5/6, say for instance my drum tracks, at once, in MT1?

I noticed a link to
'Randy\'s VS840 Document Web Page.' Is this site still available? (Since I'm at work the site is denied)
the thread is several years old, but seems to promise a better understanding of the workings of the 840.

No, tell me it's not true.
My CF reader for the 840 hasn't arrived yet. So are we fixin' to go for a different reader again?

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#688590 - 04/09/08 07:20 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: jazz4man]
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you can certainly record drums to track 5/6 in MT1 but the limitaion is two simulataneous tracks in MT1 if I recall correctly.....randy's guide is still available....my advice: EZ routing is your friend and once you have a routing you use frequently you can save it as a USER ROUTING...
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#688605 - 04/09/08 08:00 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: jazz4man]
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My CF reader for the 840 hasn't arrived yet. So are we fixin' to go for a different reader again?


Nah ... I just saw a cheap and unique drive and thought I'd give it a spin ...

I been working on a house for the last 3 years and I'm done now - and going nuts! And I'm tired of tormenting the cat. So apparently, it's time to make some sparks! ;\)

Jack

PS - we have a history of playing with different kinds of storage technology ... see this link: http://www.vsplanet.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=216485#Post216485

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#688610 - 04/09/08 08:49 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Just kiddin'. I'm still excited bout the upgrade. Waiting for all the hardware so I can get busy.

If it wasn't for all the experimenting ya'll do we'd be in the world of working too many jobs to buy new stuff that we wouldn't have time to use.

Keep doin what you're doin. We're all benefitting.

jazz

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#690346 - 04/14/08 09:42 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: jazz4man]
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Updated the original post to add the SD/MMC/MS adapter below:

SD/MMC Adapters that work in a VS-840EX with v2.05 OS:
  • P/N: SY-IDE2MC-4 from Syba (SD/MMC adapter) (John444*)

A partial list of known compatible SD and MMC cards are:
  • inx 512Mb, p/n A371016 0512 0741 (John444*)
  • Sandisk 1Gb, p/n BB0717612050D (John444*)
  • PNY 1Gb, p/n SD-M01G 0521 TK0183L (John444*)


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#712019 - 06/08/08 03:45 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Jack,
Great to see that you are back here helpin the 840 folks!!! Right on Bro!!
Also, I dig the new layout here! Hope all is well. I'm workin on a few projects, but lately I start um, and never finish um..lol.. Listenin to "Planet People" at the moment, my sons wife's mother, wants a CD of some of my songs... hahaha.. woman must be a gluton for punishment!!
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#730606 - 07/22/08 03:02 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Bassmusician]
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I just installed the addonics ADIDECF adapter, and it seems to work fine with a Lexar Platinum II 80x speed 2GB CF card p/n 2430 Rev A (which I happened to have in my camera).
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#730750 - 07/22/08 07:31 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: mpettigrew]
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Make sure you can put that 2gb cf card in your PC ... in my experience, windows does not like partitioned CF cards - and will report it as not formatted.

THe only way to get it back to 2Gb card, is to cycle it back through your camera or some other flash media device and format it (I used a Palm Tungsten to re-format a 2gb SD card that the 840 had partitioned into 2 1gb partitions)

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#741428 - 08/15/08 01:07 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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http://www.1topstore.com/product_info.php?language=en¤cy=GBP&products_id=77
If I installed this in my VS840 EX, would it work? (assuming it was attached to a joining plate, naturally)

EDIT: My bad... it obviously wouldn't cause the IDE connector is missing. ._.

EDIT: My bad my bad. There appears to be an IDE connector, its just upright

EDIT: Oh Jesus. Just discovered this was the wrong place. Oh damn.


Edited by wcameron2005 (08/15/08 01:25 PM)

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#741467 - 08/15/08 01:48 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: wcameron2005]
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Wrong place? Huh?
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#741499 - 08/15/08 03:23 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Hook]
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No problem. Looks like it could work. The ones that don't work are the ones intended to be hot-swappable which have a bios type chip. That one doesn't appear to have such a chip - though I can't see the other side, where obviously the power connector is.

If it does work, please report back to us and I'll include it in the PDF file and amend the first post; as it's always nice to have a source for IDE to CF adapters in Europe.

Jack

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#741510 - 08/15/08 04:05 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Well if it does, it's only 1.15 (about $2.25), and granted by the time you add a joining plate to that you're looking at around six dollars... Can anyone see a catch with that (considering people are considering throwing 100 dollars plus for the privilege of using SD cards with their VS)?

I noticed this is for attaching two CF cards, will this impinge any results?


Edited by wcameron2005 (08/15/08 04:11 PM)

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#741563 - 08/15/08 05:39 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: wcameron2005]
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Two of the adapters I've used, take SD cards, which seem to have less trouble with card compatibility and work with all the 1Gb SD cards I've put in them.
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* P/N: SY-IDE2MC-4 from http://www.syba.com (SD/MMC/MS adapter) (John444*)
* P/N: SY-IDE2MC-4A from http://www.syba.com (SD/MMC/MS slot works, CF slot does not) (John444*)


I could not find an adapter plate for them however. A long IDE cable with power extension lets me have the Syba adapter outside the 840. I suppose I could make an adapter plate out of wood - but I'm afraid people would laugh at me. ;\)

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#741690 - 08/16/08 04:44 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1GB-SANDISK-COMPAC...id=p3286.c0.m14

Is this the 1GB Sandisk CF card in your compatibility list?

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#741724 - 08/16/08 09:14 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: wcameron2005]
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Probably not.

1G CF cards have been hit and miss with the VS-840 CF adapters. Sandisk for example, has several model numbers for 1G CF cards; only 1 has worked. I bought, tried and returned one that looked just like that because it didn't work. I suspect Sandisk buys cards in bulk from other manufacturers, tests and then marks them with the Sandisk label.

You are better off going for an SD adapter like the SYBA because it is more 'robust' or 'tolerant' of cards. I could *not* find an SD card that DIDN'T work in the Syba SD reader - in other words, every SD card I tried worked in the Syba. One word of caution, avoid 250Mb cards and anything over 1Gb. Windows don't like them at all. A 512Mb or 1Gb SD card in a Syba reader would give you 250 and 500 minutes of recording time in MT2, respectively.

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#742016 - 08/17/08 05:06 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SD-MMC-Card-to-IDE...id=p3286.c0.m14

I can't find any site for the UK that has the Syba cards, will this suffice?

EDIT: I can see the power plug on that is too big... This looks more the ticket:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SD-to-3-5-DESKTOP-...id=p3286.c0.m14


Edited by wcameron2005 (08/17/08 05:10 AM)

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#742057 - 08/17/08 09:17 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: wcameron2005]
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The 2nd one at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SD-to-3-5-DESKTOP-...id=p3286.c0.m14 is identical in layout / markings to my Syba SY-IDE2MC-4 card, with one exception. The IC on the upper right, labeled 'SST' is different than mine, which is a 'Flash', p/n N28F010-150, U4050046.

Physically, I'm sure it would work, but, who knows IF it's a different BIOS. Why not contact the seller for a manufacturer name and part number of the adapter? It might just be the Syba card, and the only difference is the maker of the physical ROM chip. The BIOS onboard could be the same - just a different chip.

Make sure you can return it if it does not work. Though IF it's a Syba, it comes in some nearly indestructible plastic package. ;\)

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#743429 - 08/20/08 05:30 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Would it be possible to save a song to a 100MB zip disk, then put that disk in an external zip drive on my PC and copy the song to a CF card so I could use it in Roland's converting software?
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#743588 - 08/20/08 11:30 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: wcameron2005]
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If you have an external ZIP on your PC, you should be able to use the Roland converting software on it directly.

You can format the CF in your VS-840, put it in your PC media reader, put the ZIP 100 in your external PC drive, 'drag and drop' (copy) the entire contents of the ZIP to the CF card. The CF will play in your VS-840 just fine. Just remember to format the CF in your VS-840 first.

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#744161 - 08/21/08 08:17 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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So wait a sec- If all I want to do is be able to transfer my recordings directly to a PC and edit them, I don't need to buy and install a card adapter (I can just get an external zip for mp PC)? The problem is I have 20+ ZIP disks and I don't want to blow a ton of cash on something that will defeat the purpose of having all those disks.

One final question- Can I copy a song from a 250MB zip disk to a 100MB ZIP disk with just the internal drive on my VS840 EX?

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#744186 - 08/21/08 09:01 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: wcameron2005]
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If you have a ZIP drive on your PC, you can import songs from ZIP 100 to your PC, with the BR8 to WAV converter software, *directly*. No need for a CF drive to do that.

You can do an 'internal' song copy from 250 to 100Mb ZIP disk in the VS840EX internal drive (only). But be prepared to swap disks a gazillion times, PER disk.

Unfortunately Cameron, the alternatives for 'quickly' copying from 250 to some other media that can be used by the PC are costly. I had to track down the rare Vs4s-1 SCSI adapter (like $50-$100 IF you can find one), then purchased an external SCSI ZIP drive (250/100), AND an external 1Gb JAZ cartridge drive, AND a SCSI board for my PC. I'll bet I've got $200 tied up in scsi interfaces, drives and cables. But it gives me the ability to read/write all forms of 840 disks. Not that I need it now with the CF drive. \:\(

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#744200 - 08/21/08 09:38 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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OK then... I know Windows can't read 250 MB disks, but as long as I use 100 MB disks, a 250MB Zip DRIVE should work with my PC, right?

I know about the benefits of noiseless recording and such, but I just can't find a CF or Multi adapter WITH the joining plate at a price I can afford (here in the UK).


Edited by wcameron2005 (08/21/08 09:40 AM)

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#744210 - 08/21/08 10:02 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Compact Flash Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: wcameron2005]
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 Originally Posted By: wcameron2005
OK then... I know Windows can't read 250 MB disks, but as long as I use 100 MB disks, a 250MB Zip DRIVE should work with my PC, right?


It should. There was a time when I removed the ZIP 100 drive from my VS-840 and temporarily installed it in my PC, on the IDE cable normally connected to the CDROM drive.

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#752464 - 09/04/08 07:50 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Has anyone tried the SanDisk 1GB CF card - # SDCFJ?

Thanks.

Eriq

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#752512 - 09/04/08 09:09 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Eriq]
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Jimmyrock wrote this in April:

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Here is a 1 gig that does not work: SANDISK SDCFJ copywrite '03

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#761771 - 09/20/08 09:05 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Guys, I'm starting a kitchen remodel on Monday 9/22, so I won't be around here regularly like I have been.

This post is up to date as is the pictorial CF/SD modification at http://vs840.vjam.net/vs840cf_install_revH.pdf

There's some other files of interest at http://vs840.vjam.net/ ... I'll try to put up an index that describes the content of the files at http://vs840.vjam.net/

IF anyone needs to contact me concerning the Flash Media Adapter mod, you can reach me at:

Jack_at_vjam.net ... just replace the _at_ with @.

Blessings!
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#797203 - 12/06/08 04:53 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Hi All,

Just wanted to share another setup with y'all...

I'm using a Dell E1705 laptop as the PC. Also have an SATA/IDE to USB adapter device (from Mosscool; model ADT-UPS003-S) purchased from newegg. My laptop has an SD reader built in.

I installed the Siba (model SY-IDE2MC-4A) on my VS-840 (software version 1.05) and only had a 2G SD card laying around (it's a sandiisk). Works fine... VS creates a 1G partition on it. I can swithc it back and forth between my PC/camera/and VS-840 no problem. Using built in card reader... can get the VS files and convert using the BR8 file, no problem. Can also connect the Siba card to the IDE/uSB device and get files.

With the IDE/USB device, I can connect my 100MB zip drive to the PC and get all my old stuff into the PC for coversion with the BR8 file (latest one that you can find on Cornjerker's list). I also have a 250MB zip drive, but cannot get the PC to recognize it... could be a driver issue, and I haven't really looked that hard into it.

I also have a few old laptop hard drives of various sizes (3GB, 8GB flash type and a 120GB) which also work on the VS... it just creates a 1G partition as that's all it can handle. Plug into the IDE/USB device and get files to PC for wav converstion.

I'm using a basic free version of Cuebase LE to manipulate the wav files...real new at this but it's been fun!

Thanks Cornjerker for all the information... you have revived this old machine for me.

Kind Regards,
JT

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#799075 - 12/11/08 09:30 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: JT1]
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 Originally Posted By: JT1
I installed the Siba (model SY-IDE2MC-4A) on my VS-840 (software version 1.05) and only had a 2G SD card laying around (it's a sandiisk). Works fine...



You probably meant version 2.05 ;\)

The 2Gb card - had one work in my VS-840EXCF, but Windows XP Home on my old HP Pavilion P4-2.6 and the built in card reader always wanted to format the 2Gb card - it wouldn't recognize that the VS had partitioned it ...

The hard part was formatting it back to a 2gb card - windows wouldn't FDisk the thing to save my life - finally popped it into my Palm Tungsten E PDA and that took care of it. ;\)

Enjoy the machine, JT.

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#824627 - 02/10/09 01:36 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Hi I am a complete Newbie and have just recently purchased a VS 840, I have struggled with the way it sets up, but I am gradualy getting the hang of it. I think!?!? In trying to find out how to work it I found this site, where I read about updating away from Zip memory. These instructions assume your VS-840 has been updated to EX OS v2.05. ?????. I am unsure if mine has been updated but think probably not. So in very simple terms how do you do it, I know this has probably been asked countless times but I have trawled through quite a few posts and still find it all a bit confusing. I have a PC but it doesn't have a zip drive.
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#824634 - 02/10/09 02:00 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Philph]
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There's a 2-button push you can do when starting your VS-840 to display what the software version is - before pressing the power button, press and hold MONITOR and SOLO then press power and the display will tell you what version you have.
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#824696 - 02/10/09 05:01 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Hi thanks for quick reply, version 1.02 comes up. I suppose this is bad news. I am based in England so parts and stuff is going to be a bit of a pain. I have been getting on quite well with the machine (sometimes?!?!) but run out of space very quick. It seems like it could be a good all round recorder if it had more memory. I am not fully up on all the technical jargon, which seems to be the main component of Digital recording. I hope you can point me in the right direction, thank you for your help so far, if it,s not worth doing please let me know soon, I am enjoying learning to use the recorder at the moment but if it is a task too far I will just use it as a notebook of sorts.
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#824705 - 02/10/09 05:29 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Philph]
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IF you were to do the flash ROM upgrade, since you are at v1.02, you should flash to 1.05 first. When I tried going direct from v1.02 to 2.05, it failed and I got the BAD FLASH message, which for some users, means their machine is DEAD.

Fortunately, my machine responded to the MIDI SYSEX command and I was able to restore from MIDI files in about a half hour.

So the flash ROM upgrade path should be: v1.02 to v1.05 to v2.05. At least, that seems to work better than trying to go direct from v1.02 to 2.05.

Just be aware, that flash updating your VS-840 might fail and your machine be unusable.

Further, IF you were to ask Roland, they maintain that upgrading the original VS-840 to an EX machine involves software (flash update to 2.0x) AND hardware modification. Don't ask me what the hardware mod is, unless it's just a ZIP 250 drive. Most of us have just loaded the v2.05 flash ROM on our old VS-840's to open up the possibilities of laptop hard drives and flash drives (CF and SD).

To update the flash ROM, you will need either a PC with ZIP 100 drive, OR, a PC with MIDI out port.

If you have either of those and you want to do the update, we can point you to the flash update files.

Where you at in the UK? There are a few users who frequent this forum who are in the UK.

Jack
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#824718 - 02/10/09 06:09 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Hi, thank you again, I am in Bournemouth, Dorset. Not sure on the Midi capabilities of my computer, will read up and get back to you. It is likely but will need investigation. I will let you know tomorrow and will be so happy if it is possible. It will be a great bit of kit with extra memory. Nice not to have to worry about song length.
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#825071 - 02/11/09 03:47 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Philph]
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Looked at the port details which are 1 IEEE 1394(firewire), 4 USB, 1 VGA, 1 S-Video, 1 MIC, 1 Headphone. I do know what some of these are and they are probably of no use but thought I would mention the lot, just in case it helps. Sorry I am not sure if any of these are new style Midi outports, if not I may be able to find a zip 100 drive somewhere???? My computer does have a 4 in Memory card reader, if that helps, probably not, I wish I could be more help. I will try and find someone with midi or zip and be back. Thanks for your interest.
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#825254 - 02/12/09 08:39 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Philph]
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Asking about a MIDI port on your PC, has to do with a backup to flash the update to your 840 IF a ZIP based flash fails ... while there aren't any statistics, it does seem like I've read about more flash failures from users who tried to update from v1.02 to v1.05 via ZIP 100 disk. The fix for a bad flash, is using a PC with MIDI out to transmit the update via SYSEX files to the VS-840 - just know flash failures aren't always user recoverable - a few guys have had to take their 840 in for service. Another UK user spent about $150 to have his 840 re-flashed ...
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#825255 - 02/12/09 08:41 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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You might want to wait a few weeks on the update, Phil - long enough to see what kind of response we get from Roland US about the 'bad flash' recovery disk ... see the post at the top of the forum for status ...
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#825408 - 02/12/09 02:47 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Thanks for your help, i will wait and see and meanwhile find out more about the record and play functioning of this neat little machine. I have some experience on reel to reel machines which are pretty easy to use, but this 840 has got me hooked on digital, amazing what functions it has. I nearly gave up trying to suss it until I found this site, well done for all your hard work explaining it over the years. I have just realised how old some of the posts are, amazed i got an answer to my questions so quickly. All the best will be back soon.
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#838875 - 03/14/09 07:18 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Philph]
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i have just purchased a vs880 on ebay, I know nothing about digital recording,but it was cheap(87 dollars) from what i have read here the hard drives eventually cause problems...so my question is this...will all this 840 mods work on the 880?(there is very little info about this mod on the 880 in the 880 section it seems..

Edited by ajbcc2 (03/14/09 07:20 PM)

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#838914 - 03/14/09 08:56 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: ajbcc2]
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I had an 880 briefly and installed a CF reader in it - though it was more difficult because the 880 uses an 44 pin laptop connector - seems like the 880 runs the cables through an adapter or 2 on the way to the drive, intended for easy removal and replacement of the drive ...

My installation was just loose, but it formatted a CF card and recorded - then I must have got the wires crossed because I managed to short out my CF card ...

The IDE CF flash adapter I used was the 44 pin version from ACS controls in Sarasota, FL. Same company that produced the 40 pin CF adapter in my 840.

I'd suggest just sticking with hard drives on the 880. You can get 'em on eBay ...

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#839501 - 03/16/09 11:48 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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thanks for the info..
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#839699 - 03/16/09 05:49 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Just installed a CF ide adapter to the VS 840. Tried GDCF1GB and it initialized. 2Gb Sandisk ultra II did not work.
I m here in Sweden. Took a chance on what was available and to my surprise it worked. Unbelievable to have such a quite sounding station.

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#849320 - 04/11/09 07:16 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Is there one medium that is more recomended between the two SD/MMC/MS, and CF? The ZIP in my vs840 died and I have been reading about guys swaping these card readers in. I want to do this, but I don't know which format would be the best way to go. Any advice would be appreciated.
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#849368 - 04/11/09 10:16 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: 1johnnylynn1]
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 Originally Posted By: 1johnnylynn1
Is there one medium that is more recomended between the two SD/MMC/MS, and CF? The ZIP in my vs840 died and I have been reading about guys swaping these card readers in. I want to do this, but I don't know which format would be the best way to go. Any advice would be appreciated.


I went the cf route, the multi card reader option came about right after I had doen the upgrade but no regrets. The cf works great. I was lucky also to find a 1 gig card that works. Not sure what the end of life is for cf cards versus the other types, that might be a consideration. Good luck

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#849700 - 04/12/09 02:45 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: jimmyrock]
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Depends on where you are and what is available but i have noticed when bidding on Ebay in UK that secondhand CFs are more expensive and rarer but do come up, SDs, miniSD and micro SDs which all work fine are plentiful and very cheap, secondhand and brand new. I have a few of both(could only get or win 512mb CFs) and all the adaptors. Personally I like the SD option not too big not too small (for identification). My Computer naturally takes CF until i got the adaptor after which I have mainly gone for the cheap microSD for fun recording, not that quality is any different but if you sneeze you might lose it. I keep the larger CF or SD for important projects. Don't forget that you can only use 1 gig or under.
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#849715 - 04/12/09 03:58 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Philph]
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In the colonies, the CF adapters have one advantage and that is most come with a 3.5" adapter plate that fits the 840 drive bay perfectly.

Functionally, I like the SD adapter better because it seems more robust - accepting every SD card I put in it - the downside is, no mounting plate for installing it in the 840, so when I use the SD adapter, it just hangs on the end of the IDE cable.

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#858750 - 05/09/09 06:13 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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For UK owners, this may be an option...
http://www.theslot.spirythm.com/
Something that works in the Akai samplers "ought" to work in the 840, but no 100% guarantee until someone has tried it!

Jim

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#878736 - 07/17/09 03:28 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: jim y]
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i found this, im hoping that it will work in my 840

Addonics ADIDESDB IDE to SD Adapter Black Frame


Edited by ssp (07/17/09 03:28 AM)

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#878767 - 07/17/09 07:55 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: ssp]
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Please report back on whether or not it works and I'll add it to the document at the top of this post.

Also, make sure you can get some 512Mb or 1Gb SD cards for it.

Jack

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#881751 - 07/27/09 01:38 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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well the upgrade worked fine its now labeled as an 840 ex so now i just have to install the card reader and tst everything
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#898265 - 09/11/09 07:00 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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My Gateway Model 7310 has both SD/MMC/SM/MS/MS-PRO and CF/MICRODRIVE slots. Which way should I go? My 840 is an EX.

Edited by koreanwarbaby (09/11/09 07:01 AM)
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#898339 - 09/11/09 10:27 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: koreanwarbaby]
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Check your PMs, Carl.
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#898410 - 09/11/09 12:55 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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This one seems to have a cover too. Is it what you're talking about?

http://www.shopaddonics.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=ADIDESDW
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#898446 - 09/11/09 01:58 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: koreanwarbaby]
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That ought to work. You'll still need the large to small power cord adapter and (possibly) a longer IDE cable. Pricey! But I think that's about what I paid for my original ACS CF adapter.

Looks like it's available in black, too.

http://www.shopaddonics.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=ADIDESDB&eq=&Tp=

Here's some 1G SD and Micro SD cards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLis...307939&name=1GB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLis...307939&name=1GB

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#898453 - 09/11/09 02:25 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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They have a 30-day return policy, so I'll give it a try. I think I have the other items from my laptop conversion, so I'll order the adapter & card(s) and give 'er a try. I wouldn't be doing this if it weren't for the .wav converter coz my five-year-old Gateway didn't recognize the signal from the 840. Thanks, Jack!
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#898454 - 09/11/09 02:30 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: koreanwarbaby]
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One more thing: what's the difference between the regular and the micro card? I want to make sure that the regular card fits into the slot on my PC which says, "SD/MMC/SM/MS/MS-PRO." I found measurements on this site, so I'll measure the slot on my PC when I get home:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card.


Edited by koreanwarbaby (09/11/09 03:28 PM)
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#898578 - 09/11/09 07:27 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: koreanwarbaby]
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Micro SD cards typically come with a sleeve/adapter to make it full size to fit your PC. I guess some pocket sized devices require the micro size, but the sleeve/adapter is provided to fit your PC's SD card reader.
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#906405 - 10/04/09 12:00 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Thsnk you Cornjerker for getting my IDE to SD card adapter working in my VS-840EX. I couldn't have done it without you! We discovered that it won't work unless you attach the bottom cover for grounding purposes. And, if you're ordering an adapter, make sure it has the feature to change the jumper settings to MASTER. Some automatically detect this but don't seem to work with the VS, or at least the one I bought didn't.
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#930824 - 12/17/09 04:05 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: koreanwarbaby]
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Hi guys,
Have installed Addonics ADIDESDW but keep getting the Medium Error message whenever I try to initialise the SD cards. Any suggestions or should I keep trying more cards?
Looking for anyone who has had similar issue in case it isn't the SD cards but something else.
Cheers

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#930916 - 12/17/09 10:39 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: jockrocker]
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Did you set the jumper to MASTER?

Are you using 1Gb or smaller SD cards?

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#939617 - 01/11/10 05:45 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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New CF/SD installation document at http://vs840.vjam.net/vs840cf_install_revJ.pdf
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#951132 - 02/14/10 01:53 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Thanks for all the tips on this forum! I'd like to share my results after looking for a solution for my recently acquired VS-840 EX (firmware 2.00).

CF to IDE
I just succesfully installed and tested the CF to IDE adapter available here: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.711 - an amazing $2.04 including shipping! completely insane \:p It does need a power plug converter, because the card has a floppy drive connector whilst the VS has a 'harddisk' connector. The description on the board says "CF-IDE40 ADAPTER V.A1" "DMA mode/VCC from IDE pin20". It has a Master/Slave jumper set to "Master". The activity LED is red.

The CF card I tested it with was a "SanDisk 256MB CompactFlash". I'll be testing other cards too when I get my hands on them.

SD to IDE
I also ordered an SD card to IDE adapter that was 'horribly expensive' (haha) in comparison: $14.02 including shipping ( http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1698 ). This solution also works! It requires a power plug converter too, from HD to floppy. The desciption on this board says "MM-ADIDE2SD-D1". It has no Master/Slave jumper. The activity LED is bright blue.

I'm using a 1GB SD card of a brand probably not available anywhere but in the Netherlands (HEMA, 5). When I test more types, I'll let you know!

I chose to get both CF and SD in the hopes that either of them would work. My preference goes to the SD solution because the SD cards of 1GB or less are widely available and at lower prices than the equivalent CF cards.

At the DealExtreme site, you can pay with PayPal, which I did, and all kinds of other payment methods. It took about two weeks from ordering to deliverance. The $2 card was without a box, by plain mail (3 pins were a bit bent, but no problems getting them straight), the $14 card was in a (generic) box which the mail man actually had to bring personally, so I had to pick it up at the post office 'cause I wasn't home.

I'm very happy with the results! also that it's sooo incredibly cheap is unbelievable. In The Netherlands the $2 card (+-1.50) would be about 7.50 *without* delivery, and the $14 card (+-10.33) is about 25!
I hope my post will help some more VS users. Happy recording!


Edited by Rainer (02/14/10 05:33 PM)

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#951160 - 02/14/10 03:21 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Rainer]
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Thanks for the post, Rainer. The SD to IDE card looks a lot like my Syba SD to IDE card. I wonder if perhaps the design for the card is being produced by several card makers or if Syba is producing them with and without their model number on it?

Outstanding prices, BTW. Wish that there was a good 3.5" chassis solution to mount them.

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#951634 - 02/15/10 05:49 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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I mounted it at the back of the unit, so the reader can be accessed through what normally would be the SCSI connector. Only one thin screw and two bolts needed! I can post a pic later.
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#951646 - 02/15/10 06:30 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Rainer]
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That is a cool idea!
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#961659 - 03/18/10 09:35 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Hi there,

Thanks to all of the help here I've managed to upgrade via midi to 1.05 however I don't have access to a zip drive. Would it be possible to format the zip disc in the vs-480, physically remove the drive from the 480, temporarily connect it to a PC via IDE cable, copy required files and reconnect it to the 480 for upgrade?

Regards,
Mark.

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#961670 - 03/18/10 10:25 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: markyboy]
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Markyboy, I have done that several times. In fact, there was a time when several of us were experimenting with our 840's a lot that I left an IDE and power cable dangling out of the chassis of my old PC and had the IDE drive loose in the 840 to make it all easier. I got tired of removing the 19 or so screws on the bottom of the 840. ;\)

You can get the v2.05 upgrade file here:

http://vs840.vjam.net/vs840v205z.zip "ZIP disk based system update file, to version 2.05. Format a ZIP 100 disk in your VS-840. Move the ZIP 100 disk to your PC with ZIP drive, open the ZIP archive and copy the file $SYSPRO2.VS1 to the ZIP 100 disk, to make a system update disk. DO NOT USE A ZIP 250 DISK. YOU WILL DESTROY YOUR VS-840 WITH A "BAD FLASH" ERROR. Detailed instructions are included in the ZipPC.txt file included in the ZIP archive."

There's many other help files, manuals and the Video Owners Manual here if you need them: http://vs840.vjam.net/

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#961689 - 03/18/10 11:11 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Thanks for that! I bought the SD and CF adaptor and will try to install the reader at the back as well. I'll post back to let you know how I get on. I used http://vs840.vjam.net/ for the midi upgrade files already. Thanks again.
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#961740 - 03/18/10 01:50 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: markyboy]
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Markyboy,

If you don't already know, the only trouble you might have with that ZIP drive in your PC, would be if you had to change the jumper on the back of the ZIP drive between MASTER, SLAVE or SINGLE ... and you may need to change your PC's BIOS settings if it doesn't AUTO recognize the drive. Remember to put the ZIP drive back to MASTER when you put it back in your VS-840.

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#962562 - 03/21/10 09:25 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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Thanks to help here, I've successfully upgraded.

I connected the existing Zip drive to my PC and transferred the upgrade files.

Only problems were trying to mount the card reader properly and also the IDE cable requiring 40 holes when most modern IDE cables only have 39!

Anyway, thanks again to Rainer and Cornjerker.

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#972299 - 04/18/10 08:11 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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just to clarify.

i'm abit of a noob here.

i'm going to get either an 840/840ex/880/880ex, but i want to install this mod on whichever one I get because i'm a REAPER user and want to transfer project files later to my computer to work on them in REAPER thanks to the VS plugin.

can you only install an SD reader on the 840/840ex or does this apply to the 880 models too?

can somebody please clarify this for me?

many thanks, louis.

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#972311 - 04/18/10 08:50 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: leftcoast]
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The PDF document and instructions at the beginning of this thread are for the 840/840EX/840GX only.

Note that I once owned an 880EX, traded one of my 840EX with CF drive to a friend for it. So I tried to install the CF upgrade on the 880, which works, but you need different components - and I no longer remember which adapter I bought. But in brief, the 880 series uses a laptop hard drive, which uses one of those 44 pin mini IDE connectors - so it's a different CF / SD adapter altogether. IIRC, the 880 also had some kind of drive tray/adapter to facilitate drive swapping that made mounting the CF / SD difficult.

I did have a CF adapter working in an 880EX, but because of the mounting problem(s) apparently shorted the adapter to the case and ruined a CF card. So I reinstalled the HD and got rid of the 880EX (I have NO desire to ascend the 880's learning curve) ...

My recommendation to you is, with the IFFY upgrade path of the 840 to EX via software update (they sometimes FAIL to take the FLASH ROM update and cost $150 to fix plus shipping to Roland in L.A.) - that you save your money and buy something new, under warranty and WITHOUT all the damn hassles of getting files off of the 840 series to Reaper ...

Check out the Zoom R16. That's probably what I'd get if I were buying a hardware / SD type recorder platform today.

http://www.buy.com/prod/zoom-r16-multitrack-recorder/q/listingid/46830939/loc/111/211485897.html

http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=2009

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#972316 - 04/18/10 09:12 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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do you know anything regarding the zoom r16 sound quality and stuff in comparison to the 840 and 880 units? i used to own an 880. i loved the sound.
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#972329 - 04/18/10 10:15 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: leftcoast]
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Can't speak to the musical quality ... 840 and 880 use compression. The R16 doesn't. So it would really come down to converters, I guess. 840 has noisy pre's - same with the 880 I guess ... years ago I recall a user here who had a Yahoo group wherein he'd developed hacks for some of the more expensive machines to replace the Opamps with new, lower noise Opamps. Oh yeah, it was this group: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/mod-your-roland-vs/

Read some reviews, maybe compare the specs and in particular the OPAMPS on the input circuits and the compression (lossy / lossless) specs. That Zoom for example, will handle a 32Gb SD card. Can't hardly beat that - and it works as a control surface for your DAW software with seamless USB file transfer.

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#972441 - 04/18/10 03:23 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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i'm still interested in getting an 840 and modding it to use SD media.
I loved my old 880 so much and my friend is selling their 840 for cheap.

is it better in terms of the mod to get an 840 or 840ex?

i don't see it as a really big hassle transferring files to REAPER.

i have an SD card reader in my computer and the VS plugin for REAPER supposedly makes it a fairly simple process

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#972468 - 04/18/10 07:12 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: leftcoast]
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I believe it has to be an EX for the mod to work; you can upgrade the OS to EX version with files from Jack's page though as he says sometimes the upgrade fails and converts the 840 into a well-engineered doorstop. If your friend is selling the non EX 840 really cheap, you don't have much to lose giving it a try. If it doesn't upgrade, buy the zoom. If it does, buy and put in the SD card reader.
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#993347 - 08/13/10 07:24 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: dhart]
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Im very interested in trying this, I have a 840ex that im using to record my band that likes to give me a drive busy error around 5mins into every recording, even on different and new zip discs

Can anyone recommend me a IDE to SD reader thats compatible and purchasable in the UK? ebay has about 9million different versions of readers available from china for 99p which Id buy if I knew which one and I cant find anything compatible on maplin..

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#1028339 - 02/16/11 04:20 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: RenZ0R]
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Why not just order at dealextreme? They ship for free worldwide, are cheap and have fast service. The stuff they sell is the same as that which everyone is selling on Ebay imho :-)

Here's how it looks on my (actually never-used, ahem) VS-840 EX:


SD cards can only be used up to 1GB of capacity, regardless if they're actually larger like 2GB (like the card on the pic).

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#1028360 - 02/16/11 07:44 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Rainer]
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What great photos, Rainer!!!
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#1050533 - 06/29/11 04:20 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: uptildawn]
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I'm looking at taking the plunge with this and upgrading my 840EX. I'll be going for the CF reader below because its so cheap, plus the fact that the SD reader is now out of stock!

I'm not sure on power cable adapters or IDE cables though. The cable below is 39 pin which suits the reader, but i've opened up the 840 and there appears to be 40 pins on the board?

If someone can point me in the direction of a power cable (if i need one) off the DX website, that would be great!

Thanks, Ian.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cf-to-ide-adapter-711

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/hard-drive-ata-100-ide-ribbon-cable-2-pack-9182

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#1056581 - 07/31/11 06:34 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Ian_H]
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Hey Ian,

My reply is probably coming in too late - I actually don't use my VS at all and am hardly reading this board - but still:
You actually don't need that ATA cable, there's already one in your VS if I recall correctly. For the powerconnector, you need an adapter cable from the 4 pin "traditional" harddisk power cable to a floppy connector. It all depends what kind of connector the adapter board has: this one ( http://www.dealextreme.com/p/sd-card-to-ide-hard-drive-converter-secure-digital-10889 ) has a large connector, while the one that you linked has one of those floopy drive connectors. If you ever built a PC yourself, you'll probably have some of those lying around in the power supply box or the motherboard.

Hope you got everything up and running in the mean time!

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#1099575 - 01/24/12 01:07 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Rainer]
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This one also work:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/170715781808

Tested on my Roland VS-840EX

Also SD Card tested and working perfect: Silicon Power 1Gb

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#1115973 - 04/06/12 09:09 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Valentin]
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I just installed a SD card reader to my 840EX, replacing the ZIP drive.
Works great, 1GB card. First un updating the N.A. the version 2.05 of the 840EX and then tried the SD to IDE reader and 1GB memory, all perfect, then I did a test to record 4 tracks at once, perfect, after playing all 4 tracks recorded and record another 4 at a time , perfect, and finally play 6 tracks and record 2, perfect.
This modification is essential for anyone with a VS 840, is over the noise of the Zip drive, and you can transfer files to and from your computer.
For those who do will I have used these items from DealExtreme:
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/sd-card-to-ide-hard-drive-converter-secure-digital-10889
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/designer-s-sd-memory-card-1gb-42355

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#1115975 - 04/06/12 09:16 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: roberflash]
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And now, I`m waiting for OPA2134 OPAMPS for change the six 4570 Opamps that found in all roland VS equipment for input channels and outputs. This upgrade is a great sound improvement for VS series.
Sorry for my english, Im spanish.

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#1116592 - 04/09/12 06:35 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Valentin]
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 Originally Posted By: Valentin
This one also work:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/170715781808

Tested on my Roland VS-840EX

Also SD Card tested and working perfect: Silicon Power 1Gb


Thanks Valentin for this info. I find DealExtreme is a nightmare company and avoid them at all costs. I bought from Ebay instead based on your experience. Thanks!!

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#1120530 - 04/30/12 02:33 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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yo!

I managed to find two Syba IDE cards, SY-IDE2MC-4A, thinking I had scored a great find. I had a friend pick them up in the next province for me and send them out to my house, talk about a long distance hand-over, then I finally re-read the installation. It took me a long time to find the power adapter. I plugged it in and fired her up. It was only then I realized I had the wrong *serial number*! It didn't boot at first, then I rebooted and it starts up. It attempts to read, the adapter flashes a little but it can't find any data. I can't initialize, load or record with it. So close... did I just waste my money or am I missing some crucial step? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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#1152475 - 09/03/12 04:27 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: ur2qt2b4got10]
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What's up, guys? Want to thank you for all the hard work and trouble shooting prowess regarding this upgrade. I have the 840 and hope to modernize it with the EX upgrade and CF drive. That being said, will this SATA drive operate in the VS? I know the ADIDECFB from Addonics will work and this drive seems to be a newer version that allows for hot swapping. Would I be better off with the original ADIDECFB drive? Thanks again!

Here is the drive information: http://www.addonics.com/products/adsacf.php

And just to be sure, I'm currently running O.S. 1.02. I would need to upgrade to 1.05 via Zip disk and then to 2.05 via Zip again, correct?


Edited by boombapp28 (09/03/12 04:30 PM)

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#1152498 - 09/03/12 05:36 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: boombapp28]
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The VS units are not designed to work with SATA hard drives, as far as I know. I don't see what good a SATA to CF adapter card would do you for this mod. Maybe I'm mistaken and you can ignore my comments... hope so, really.

The VS is also not designed for hot swapping, so that feature does you no good and is wasted money, if it costs more than what's already being used.
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#1152540 - 09/03/12 08:00 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: uptildawn]
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Thanks, Uptildawn. Now I know exactly which one to buy. I just wanted to be sure. Either way, 512 to 1gb gives me a lot to work with and I wouldn't need to remove the card unless I was transferring files.
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#1152555 - 09/03/12 08:48 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: boombapp28]
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Clarifying that I'm a n00b and would like some reassurance. Since I'm upgrading the O.S. via 100mb Zip Disk, do I have to upgrade the 840 to 1.05 first prior to 2.05? I'm currently running 1.02.
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#1152559 - 09/03/12 09:14 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: boombapp28]
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To give a reply to your update question... I don't believe you need to do the update in steps (since I've never had to with the two units I have used), but since I don't use the 840 myself, I can't be positive.

Maybe someone else will post a definitive reply before long.

Now, if you do have the current version on a disk, you should be able to easily try the update and reload your old version (or another in between if you have one) to overwrite, if needed. At least you can on all the ones I have updated (at least three models).
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#1152563 - 09/03/12 09:34 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: uptildawn]
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Thanks again for your help, Uptildawn. I do appreciate the info.

I just nabbed a USB powered 100mb Zip Disk drive from eBay. I will update with the upgrade status in a week or so.

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#1152695 - 09/04/12 10:35 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: boombapp28]
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I found a Kingmax 512Mb CF card on eBay. The part number matches up all except for the "TB" prefix. I wish I could attach a jpeg of the card so that a better look can be had.

Edited by boombapp28 (09/04/12 10:36 AM)

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#1152783 - 09/04/12 02:37 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: boombapp28]
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Why would you want anything less than the 1GB card?
Also, unless you're willing to go through the potential hassle of buying cards that don't work and then have to figure out what to do with the waste, why not stick with known and tested cards?

Of course, it's not a bad thing for people to try whatever they have available and when proven good, post the card description for others to benefit in the future.

Sorry........ keep forgetting we're talking an 840 here.
I don't recall what you max partition size and number is.... is 512MB as large as you can go in an 840?


Edited by uptildawn (09/04/12 02:39 PM)
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#1152951 - 09/04/12 09:46 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: uptildawn]
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The most memory the VS-840 with the EX upgrade will read is 1gb. It will partition everything else. I've found the SD drive but no compatible cards from the list. I've found the CF drive also but the card I mentioned is the closest thing I've found that is compatible.
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#1153019 - 09/05/12 07:48 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: boombapp28]
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Since the 840 line did not come with a drive that could use anything more than 250MB zip disks and I haven't seen what the SD/CF conversion does for the 840 line, I'm at a disadvantage to understand precisely what you've told me about capacity.

Could you point me to where you've found information about maximum drive and partition sizes for the 840 line?
I re-scanned the entire thread here and see that there is an understanding that the SD/CF card maximum size must be restricted to 1GB. From what I can tell, the apparent problem with larger drives has to do more with Windows not wanting to read multiple partitions, than with the 840 itself. Someone clarify this for me if I am wrong, please.

As far as compatible SD cards, I found that Transcend 2GB SDHC cards work very well for my 880 and 1680, like this one: http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Flash-Memory-Card-TS2GSDC/dp/B000FGNM6I/ref=pd_cp_e_1

I'm not sure that this means that their 1GB SD card will work as well, and/or for the 840. At least it's something to consider, since it appears (from re-reading this thread) that SD cards are favored because of their general availability and low cost, compared to CF cards.

I also bought a SD-to-CF adapter a while back that works very nicely in the CF-to-IDE drive.
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#1153306 - 09/05/12 07:10 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: uptildawn]
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I meant to say that Windows doesn't read the multiple partitions. I am going with the SD drive as it is relatively cheaper to install.
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#1153367 - 09/05/12 11:20 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: boombapp28]
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840EX/CF/SD will not use multiple partitions - it will use the 1st partition by default, though in my experience, sometimes it would not recognize a VS840EX/CF/SD formatted flash media card and would prompt to reformat an already formatted card.

Windows will not read a partitioned flash media card - at least XP would not. It would prompt to format the card, which the 840 had parceled up into 1g partitions and attempt to format, but would prompt to reformat the card every time inserted. The only way I was ever able to get a 2gb and larger flash media card, partitioned and formatted to 1g partition(s) by the 840, restored to a 2gb partition, was to cycle the SD card through my Palm Tungsten E device which would blow away the 1g partitions and restore a single 2g (or larger) partition and format same.

For me, the whole reason to go with a CF or SD card, aside from silence and capacity, was the ability to transfer the card to the PC to convert the 840 files to WAV and then use a software proggie like Audacity, Audition, Reaper, et al, to edit, mix and master.

If not moving the CF or SD card to the PC, you can use most any size CF or SD card in your converted 840EX machine - do all your editing, mixing and mastering on your 840EX and master your song out the S/PDIF or TOSLINK outputs to a PC, or to a standalone CDR machine.

Those old 512mb / 1g cards are hard to come by any more. Compatible 1g CF cards were rare as hens teeth.

Best either to get a USB interface for your PC and use Audacity or Reaper, or if you got your heart fixed on a standalone multitrack recorder, a Zoom R16 or the like.

The 840 upgraded via software flash to EX, then retrofitted with CF / SD reader with ever more rare 512m / 1g flash media cards, is just asking for heartache - should you wind up with a bad flash or have to purchase a couple different readers and cards to find a working combo.

Yeah, that $60 price for a VS840 on eBay is attractive, but by the time you add the CF/SD reader, longer IDE and power cables, media and a reader for your PC, your into it for $120, assuming it works the first time. Better in my opinion to get a $100 USB interface for your PC and record in WAV.

Remember, the VS840 records in compressed / lossy format. Mix down a couple times and you can darn sure hear it. Best to record to WAV directly.

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#1154772 - 09/10/12 11:25 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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I would love to buy an R-16 but money is an issue. I already have the VS-840 and I am so accustomed to using it. Not to mention the $180 I spent for it six years ago.

I've already bought a second hand 100mb usb powered zip disk drive. There is a seller on eBay who has a modded VS-840 w/ 512 mb CF drive upgrade and EX upgrade and he pretty much attributed his success with the mod to this very group and thread so I'm going by his trial and error experience and trying to narrow down the best solution.

I want to mod it to use in tandem with BR to Wav, Reaper and the VS software for Reaper. According to this thread, OPAMPS can be replaced that will improve the sound on the 840, correct me if I'm wrong.

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#1154780 - 09/11/12 12:06 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: boombapp28]
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 Originally Posted By: boombapp28
Not to mention the $180 I spent for it six years ago.


lol...I paid over $1000 for a vs840ex new around 2000.

I would say you got quite the deal at $180,.

And I now use a Zoom R16 as an interface/controller into Reaper. I gave my 840 to a friend, but I don't think he has ever used it. It had a card reader too.
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#1154929 - 09/11/12 03:14 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Wish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wish
 Originally Posted By: boombapp28
Not to mention the $180 I spent for it six years ago.


lol...I paid over $1000 for a vs840ex new around 2000.


1998 here, an original VS-840, version 1.02 as I recall. Paid $1200 from either Sweetwater or Caruso. No one in Seattle had one to sell at the time. I remember salivating when I saw it in Electronic Musician magazine.

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#1155664 - 09/13/12 05:05 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
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My Zip Drive came in and I was able to install the 2.05 OS without any problems!! I followed the directions to the letter. A very simple process. Thanks for all the help!! Now, to upgrade the disk drive!
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#1155688 - 09/13/12 05:50 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: boombapp28]
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One step at a time...... Congrats on the update!!!
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#1165248 - 10/13/12 08:25 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: uptildawn]
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I just received my ADIDECFB drive directly from Addonics. $34.00 for the drive and the price includes shipping.

I also managed to locate one Kingston Elite Pro 1Gb CF card (p/n CF/1GB-S), one Verbatim 512Mb CF card (p/n 47009), and one Lexar 1Gb (p/n CF1GB-231).

The CF cards were a bit tedious to locate but Amazon an eBay proved once again to be excellent resources. I'm attempting the CF drive swap this afternoon and hope to be up and running within the next few days. Thanks again to CornJerker and all the others who provided the necessary info.

Next up is an OPAMP replacement.

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#1179397 - 12/02/12 10:20 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: boombapp28]
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Took a bit longer than expected but I have successfully installed the Addonics CF drive in the VS-840 with the EX O.S. upgrade! The only gripe I have is the little eject button on the CF drive. It's loose and seems to come out of the housing pretty easily.

Other than that little hang up, it's formatted each of the cards I've listed above with no problems and I've got plenty of recording time!

Also, the Lexar 1 GB card with p/n CF1GB-231 has an alternate card with the same specs. It is a Lexar 1 GB 4x and the p/n is 2174, Rev. A.

Thanks to Cornjerker and everyone else who helped me trouble shoot!


Edited by boombapp28 (12/02/12 10:21 AM)

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#1193231 - 01/22/13 07:15 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: boombapp28]
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http://www.ebay.es/itm/StarTech-3-5-inch...=item2ec53a716b

Any info. about this unit? Could it work?

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#1193260 - 01/22/13 09:43 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Fernandoh3]
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 Originally Posted By: Fernandoh3
http://www.ebay.es/itm/StarTech-3-5-inch-Drive-Bay-IDE-to-Single-CF-SSD-Adaptor-Card-Reader-/200877437291?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_InterfaceCards&hash=item2ec53a716b

Any info. about this unit? Could it work?

That appears to be the same unit that I've used in two external case mods. I'm not sure why they list it as an SSD adapter, unless they meant SD.
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#1193512 - 01/23/13 07:08 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: uptildawn]
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Is suppoused to I have to install a CF/IDE card mounted in a 3,5 bay mounting bracket (as it's seen in ebay pics and as they sell it) that in turn must be assembled into the original drive cage from the VS.

Is it correct or am I a bit wrong?

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#1225777 - 06/23/13 09:52 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Fernandoh3]
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Good news! I'm glad to announce this for every one who can be interested about.

This Adapter:
http://www.ebay.es/itm/STARTECH-ACCESSOR...=item35c3f8b5fd

Product Ref: 35BAYCF2IDE Startech

It works fine with our friendly DAW as well! I've used the Kingston 1GB elite pro CF/1GB-SFE card and no problem at all.

Hope it helps ;\)

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#1225804 - 06/23/13 11:00 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Fernandoh3]
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Fernandoh3, that looks identical to the ones I've used. It's good to hear you got your configuration worked out!
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#1258089 - 11/10/13 11:47 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Fernandoh3]
Artschw Offline
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HI Fernandoh,

Is this all you need or do you haave to replace also the cable to connect this product correct?
Must I also update my VS 840 to 840 EX ?

Please reply

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#1261054 - 11/24/13 03:41 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Artschw]
Rainer Offline
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Registered: 02/14/10
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 Originally Posted By: Artschw
HI Fernandoh,

Is this all you need or do you haave to replace also the cable to connect this product correct?
Must I also update my VS 840 to 840 EX ?

Please reply


Any of the IDE-to-SD or CF adapters use the IDE cable that is already in your VS 840, so no extra cables are required.

For IDE-to-SD adapters, check this link, they'll probably all work (and are quite cheap):
http://dx.com/s/ide+to+sd+adapter

Or if you want to use CF cards and buy an even cheaper adapter:
http://dx.com/s/ide+to+cf+adapter

It's really quite simple, you connect one of these adapter instead of the ZIP drive, mount it somewhere and you're done.
Best model is something like this, with the connector and the SD/CF slot in line: http://dx.com/p/sd-card-to-ide-adapter-1698

I'm no expert on the "EX" matter, but found this post: http://www.vsplanet.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1225150#Post1225150

Good luck!

PS: my VS840EX is in use as an effects unit at the moment :-)

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#1264729 - 12/12/13 08:39 AM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Rainer]
strider Offline
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Hi all, well it's been almost 10 years since I last posted on this board. Good to still see familiar faces around and that the board is still up! \:\) Been recording on my VS840EXHD all the time with 1 old laptop harddisk installed which has thankfully not failed me yet. I was looking for a new harddisk only to discover they're impossible to find nowadays, so I decided to upgrade to CF. I have an MPC 1000 with CF's as well so I figure this move will be very handy as well as the noise reduction from the drive.

I have found and ordered the Startech 35BAYCF2IDE, thanks Fernandoh3! Will let you guys know how it works out when it arrives! And thanks to all who contributed to this thread!

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#1265961 - 12/17/13 12:37 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: strider]
strider Offline
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Alright! An update, just installed it and it works. \:\)
I had an EX OS v.2.00, I used the 35BAYCF2IDE Startech, cost me 25 euros. It came with a powercable, just had to connect it and fit it in. I had a Flashcard lying around which I used for the MPC and that one worked, came up with Initialize, OK and 503 min recording time.
The card is a Transcend TS1GCF133 1GB 133x.

Again thanks all for your pioneering, this helps me out a lot for the recordings Im planning right now!
Gonna try if I can transfer the files via the MPC 1000 to my pc and update this thread if that works out!

edit: Yes! That works as well! The MPC does not change the formatting. Awesome! Also it's kind of a weird feeling now that my 840 is not making any sound anymore \:o


Edited by strider (12/17/13 02:37 PM)

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#1323573 - 08/17/14 12:28 PM Re: Installing an IDE to Flash Media Adapter in a Roland VS-840 [Re: Cornjerker]
nitromethane Offline
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Registered: 02/06/10
Posts: 15
Can someone help me upgrade my VS-840 to EX? I would like to upgrade to the IDE to Flash Media Adapter.
Thanks,
Richard
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