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#1607740 - 03/31/19 02:08 PM Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV
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I bought my vs880ex new in 1999. It's been awesome. Just did a final Mix of three songs yesterday, then I got the message "SYS Init. Drive=No DRV." I've gone through the suggested steps 1) Shift+Stop.... Surface, etc... turned them to Yes, but then I press Yes at the end and nothing happens.

I really hope there is some reboot idea someone has, because I am finishing 2 songs on the vs880ex and then going to my vs2000cd.

I've read and researched all morning in case I need to do the new Hard Drive and SD Card thing. I hope not to because I am beyond technically challenged.

Seems I would need this drive: https://www.amazon.com/SHINESTAR-Adapter...sr=8-1-fkmrnull

OR this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/CF-Card-Compact...op/271583773005

And this SD card: https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-133x-Co...ay&sr=8-1-fkmr0

OR this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/4gb-pny-Optima-memory-card-from-cell-phone-camcorder-camera-sd/233112157784

Confused because the card shapes and drives are different...

Appreciate any help and suggestions!


Edited by gmskyhook (03/31/19 02:32 PM)

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#1607741 - 03/31/19 02:23 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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You are saying that when you started it up - out of nowhere - it just displayed SYS Init = No DRV ?

I'm guessing it does this every time you try to start it up?

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#1607743 - 03/31/19 02:30 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: mrsinical]
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Yes
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#1607745 - 03/31/19 02:43 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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Great News! I just got very blessed! Said a little prayer asking for help. Then I got the idea to press Shift + Stop and power off, then on, and the drive is back!!
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#1607761 - 03/31/19 03:46 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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Mine did that (before I did the SD card mod) and ever since the first time it did it - I always use Shift / Stop and shut it down BEFORE powering off.
Sometimes I would have to repeat - and sometimes it would get stuck - and I couldn't shut it down - I just had to hard power off - and maybe re-start / shut down - a time or two - then It would load properly.


Edited by mrsinical (03/31/19 03:46 PM)

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#1728830 - 05/06/21 05:22 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: mrsinical]
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So, yes it has happened again, and this time it is not responding to Shift+Stop. FYI, I always do shift+stop before shutting down.
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#1728837 - 05/06/21 06:22 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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Same drive, still?
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#1729730 - 05/12/21 06:38 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gyorpb]
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Hi,

I also bought by VS880-EX in 1999, on sale at Guitar Center,
along with a VS-CDR which I had to get on the waiting list to
receive. \:\)

I am just reading the thread now...

EDIT 1:

Yes, use the proper shutdown procedure!

I have not verified this, but IBM Thinkpads of the 560 series,
which appear on YouTube now and then, may have exact, or similar
hard drives. I used to own 4 for computing, different models,
and the 2.1 MB drive was common, and the same capacity as the
VS-880EX, so there is a chance that it was the same exact hitachi
drive. \:\)

Just another possible option I wanted to document here.


Edited by JohnM (05/12/21 06:42 PM)

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#1730238 - 05/15/21 07:59 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: JohnM]
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So I treid the New Hard Drive CF (CompactFlash) Drive and 4GB Transend CF Card. No luck. Tried with a Verbatim 4GB CF card. No luck.

Hard Drive Mod #2 = SD Drive & 4GB SD Card. IT worked, BUT... when I turn off the vs880ex and then on,
it reads SYS Init.DRIVE = E. Then I have no choice other than Yes and it wipes my songs out.

I have a Verbatim SD Card. Going to try a Lexar 4GB.

Ideas welcome..

LOL If one more person tells me to do the proper shutdown procedure (shift-Stop, then power off) I'm gonna scream!! I have done the correct procedure EVERY TIME in the 22 years I have been using my vs880ex. One person misunderstood and it keeps being mentioned, LOL.


Edited by gmskyhook (05/15/21 08:00 PM)

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#1730248 - 05/15/21 08:54 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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I think I can safely predict that a different SD card will not make a difference, unless the issue is the class rating. That is because pretty much everything SD stopped being reliable as soon as people started reporting issues related to the sd adapter components changing over time (as in certain components were being swapped out depending on availability and probably price).

What CF adapter/drive did you use? Can you post an image link, so we can compare to what we've successfully used? It may be that now the CF adapters are unreliable for the same reasons as CD adapters, or it might be the particular style of adapter you tried.... I think that dual card adapters didn't work, for instance.
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#1730261 - 05/15/21 10:45 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: uptildawn]
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Note that all, or most, flash media has a limited number of write cycles.

In 2004 or so, I had to take this into consideration while on a project,
and the number of writes before failure was about one hundred thousand.

Anyway...

EDIT: I am not familiar with the inner workings of the VS OS, and
if "swapping of any sort", like on a LINUX or other OS occurs. If it
does, then the aforementioned limitation becomes much more of a concern.


Edited by JohnM (05/15/21 10:51 PM)

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#1730266 - 05/15/21 11:10 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: JohnM]
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Here is the CF Adaptor: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S6GIHS2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

SD Adaptor: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QNB6QLC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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#1730268 - 05/15/21 11:14 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: uptildawn]
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Also being technically gifted (LOL), I may have had the 44 pin CF adaptor upside down. doh!!
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#1730276 - 05/16/21 12:08 AM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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I assume that you are plugging your CF adaptor into the caddy's HDP88 bridge adaptor as a direct replacement of the hard drive and not into some ribbon cable you substituted for the original caddy/hard drive assembly? I don't know that it matters, except that this is how mine is.

I think it would be impossible for you to plug either the cf or sd adaptor upside down, since the HDP88 bridge has a pin hole position blocked (no pin hole) and this must line up with the missing pin (or removed pin) in your adaptor.

You might check to see that the missing pin in your adaptor is the correct one. I think I remember someone reporting that they removed the wrong one before. The missing, or removed pin, should be the tenth one over in the top (or inside) row, counting in from pin 1 - Pin 1 is usually marked with a square solder hole, or some marking or another.

The images in your links both show it correctly, but as I found out long ago, the images shown in these listings is often not the same as the card you actually receive. In fact, in an effort to attempt to compare the one I bought on amazon in 2011, I found that the link takes me to a cf adaptor that looks much less like mine and more like yours.

My own adaptors - both cf and sd - don't have enough markings to use for comparison and your sd adaptor's circuitry looks completely different than mine (which may be expected after all this time).

Your cf adaptor is identical to my own, except that yours has a lot more writing on it than mine.

Unfortunately, it's not a shock to hear that the current variant of any of these adaptors works great in a pc, but not in the VS.





Edited by uptildawn (05/16/21 12:10 AM)
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#1730293 - 05/16/21 01:16 AM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: uptildawn]
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I have yet to open my VS-880EX, even to look into the replacing
or even cleaning some "sliders". You folks are more "brave" in that
regard, I have heard there are a lot of screws to deal with
during the disassembly process.

I am glad to hear that there has been success reported from you,
I will stay with the HD for now. \:\)

I do not know much this year or even next I will use the VS, but
as long it suits my needs, with tape on the master fader, I am
"cool" with it.

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#1730330 - 05/16/21 01:02 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: JohnM]
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Well, I had the 4GB card upside down, so I cant say for 100% certainty that the pin was upside down. On my VS, the pin that I plug my SD card adapter is possible to put it in both ways.

So if I can only find out a way to get my VS to save my songs without manually going through the long reformatting process every time I power off then on, Ill be in business. I didnt get that far with the CF adapter mod.

Going to try the system function buttons to see if its some set up factor. I am hopeful because my VS recognizes the SD hard drive and 4GB SD card, and Im able to do song edits and perform like normal, it just eraces at all when I shut down.

Last option I guess if $40 to $50 US for a refurbished hard drive -the kind that originally came with the vs880ex...

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#1730331 - 05/16/21 01:04 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: JohnM]
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LOL yes, 1 million screws. I totally relate, I hate to take things apart because I am not so good at it, its a hassle, and that stuff doesnt seem to work so well for me, LOL. But hey Im a lot older now, so Ive had a bit of success here and there and when I saw the guy on YouTube do the videos, I thought let me try that and the total cost was like $22 for the reader and card so why not.
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#1730335 - 05/16/21 02:01 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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You may need to recap your VS. There are all manner of possible minor issues that add up to the wonky behaviour you are seeing. Dont count on any one small fix to solve all your troubles in one fell swoop.
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#1730337 - 05/16/21 02:19 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gyorpb]
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I'm hoping it just works long enough for me to finish the 6 songs I'm real close to being done with that I recorded at 48k that aren't compatible with my vs2000cd. After these songs my vs800ex will retire.
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#1730338 - 05/16/21 02:20 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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I changed the IDE from 7 to 1.
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#1730346 - 05/16/21 03:17 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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put the ide back on 7. That's what the VS default is and where it should be.

I don't see how you could have gotten the card in upside down. Neither the cf, nor the sd card will go in the adaptors upside down. If you somehow managed to get the adaptor in upside down, then it certainly would not work and it would be worth the effort to turn it around and try it again. If you somehow managed to ruin the cf adaptor, then it would be worth it to try another one - being careful to put everything the right side up. The cf adaptor/card stands a much better chance of working without the vs wanting to reinitialize the card every time you power back up.

Taking the vs apart and replacing the caps won't solve either the persistent reinitialization scenario with the sd card, or the fact that the cf card didn't work when it was upside down.
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#1730364 - 05/16/21 06:23 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: uptildawn]
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What should the SCSI drive be?
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#1730365 - 05/16/21 06:33 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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anything below 7 should be fine.
If you have multiple scsi devices chained - cd burner, external hd, etc., then you might need to consider what order they should go in. But the vs internal drive should stay on id 7.
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#1730366 - 05/16/21 06:39 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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Confused.

I only have a cd burner connected.

To clarify:
SYS DISK PRM? then SYS DSK: SCSI Self = 7 (correct?)

Next
SYS Select Drv=IDE: 0 (correct?) choices are 0, 1, 2, 3, SD1-6:U.


Edited by gmskyhook (05/16/21 06:41 PM)

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#1730368 - 05/16/21 07:23 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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The internal drive is an IDE device. It has no SCSI ID. Dont mess with things you dont understand. Read your manuals. As long as your CD burners SCSI ID differe from your VSs, your fine. That has nonbearing on hour internal drive, but messing with it may scree up your ability to burn (or read!) CDs.

What exactly is the end goal, here? You seem to be all over the place.

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#1730369 - 05/16/21 07:25 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gyorpb]
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I'm sure you mean well, but it comes across really condescending:

"Dont mess with things you dont understand. Read your manuals."

Yes, I've read the manuals inside out. If that solved the problem I wouldn't need to ask here.


"What exactly is the end goal, here? You seem to be all over the place."

Um, to get my vs880ex running and not erasing my songs after I power down.


Looking for a direct response to this without a lot of commentary

SYS DISK PRM? then SYS DSK: SCSI Self = 7 [CORRECT?)

Next
SYS Select Drv=IDE: 0 (CORRECT?) choices are 0, 1, 2, 3, SD1-6:U.


Edited by gmskyhook (05/16/21 07:49 PM)

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#1730370 - 05/16/21 08:01 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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Back up your data. Now. Twice. Better yet: three times. Then get to work making your VS reliable, again. Just about everything you are doing, now, amounts to screwing around, and increases the chances you lose your work, forever.

Dont mess with settings you do not understand. Dont try to install hardware that wont help you salvage your data, especially if you dont know what youre doing.

Yes, I am condescending. Im trying to help you, at no charge but at the cost of my time, to save what is left saving of your work. If that is not appreciated, be sure to let me know and I will gladly watch from the sidekine, in silence, as you slowly destroy your chances of ever salvaging your precious songs.

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#1730372 - 05/16/21 08:08 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gyorpb]
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No need to be condescending bro, under any circumstances.
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#1730375 - 05/16/21 08:12 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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1 - Wow, Thanks for the message about the screw count, for verification!

2 - I assume you are doing a song save operation, right?

Sorry to be so short and brief, I will come back and read everything
later. I look forward to it actually, and it is very nice to see
the forum active again, and hear that these great pieces of gear are
in action.

I look forward to actually producing something with mine at some point
"soon", but untilk some things change around here, it will just be used
to setup, mess around and stay "non rusty" at it, play a bit, put it away.

Thanks again for sharing all this info. As far as someone telling you
to read your manuals, that is great advice to remind everyone about, and
I do not think it should ever be taken as you may have seemed it was given. \:\)

There are probably "manuals" for each and every little variable in the
chain of things that you "brave tinkerers" are attempting to get working,
not just the 880 manuals.

But, I had to ask, to make sure that you were doing a song save/write/store,
whatever it is called, I got it down to a point where I didn't have to look,
just a SHIFT+WHATEVER and YES. \:\)

Best Wishes to all, I look forward to getting active on the VS-880EX soon. \:\)

EDIT: It will take a while to understand how many of the forum
posters are now using the SD card over an HD, so pardon me if
you see me give a little advice that is not applicable to everyone.

Anyway, I felt like it would be prudent to add this to my post. \:\)


Edited by JohnM (05/16/21 08:15 PM)

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#1730376 - 05/16/21 08:16 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: JohnM]
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Hey John,

Yes, I am meticulous about saving my work and detailing my settings on paper as well.

I tried a CF mod but it didn't work out.

Did the SD mod and it works to a degree. I can load my songs, work on them, save them... But when I shut down my vs880ex it erases everything.

Thinking about getting a Roland refurb hard drive.

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#1730379 - 05/16/21 08:27 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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OK, just an initial thought, do you know for sure that is the
power down, and not the power up process?

For example, I don't know if you shut down the 880EX, then take
the SD to a computer.

OR, do you leave it in, and power up, at which point it might,
during the power up process write something.

Just a thought, but I just do not know, that first variable. \:\)

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#1730380 - 05/16/21 08:28 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: JohnM]
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I appreciate the idea.

I leave it in.

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#1730385 - 05/16/21 08:38 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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 Originally Posted By: gmskyhook
Looking for a direct response to this without a lot of commentary

SYS DISK PRM? then SYS DSK: SCSI Self = 7 [CORRECT?)

Next
SYS Select Drv=IDE: 0 (CORRECT?) choices are 0, 1, 2, 3, SD1-6:U.


Look - you are in the process of potentially screwing up your chances of getting what you want from both the VS and from the forum (where were attempting to help you).

Please stop messing with the scsi self id setting and leave it on 7. That is the VS default setting and its set that way for good reason. Set any external scsi devices to any id setting other than 7 lower than 7. If you only have one external scsi device, then take your pick of anything lower than 7. 0 is fine, 1 is fine, 2 is fine, etc

SYS select Drv is NOT the same thing as setting the scsi id.
It is for two things
1- choosing between the internal drive, or an external drive (if you have one connected to the scsi port)
2- Then, for choosing which partition on the hard drive you have selected, which gives you access to more of your hard drive available space.
Your manual states very specifically how your hard drive is partitioned when you initialize it the first time. You evidently have 4 partitions 0, 1, 2, 3 on your internal hard drive which is labeled SYS Select Drv=IDE: 0.
The second part of that dialog that reads SD1-6:U in your quote must be referring to an external scsi drive that is unformatted. This is confusing to me, because you say you only have a cd burner connected to the scsi port.

For the sake of getting back on track, lets ignore that last bit for now and focus on MY primary goal that is to see that you leave you scsi id settings alone and that you dont accidentally erase or format you internal hard drive, if it contains important data.

Lets settle this and get back on the track of YOUR main goal after we have confirmation from you that youve not messed up your system that of getting an sd card or cf card and adaptor working they way it should.
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#1730386 - 05/16/21 08:44 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: uptildawn]
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uptildawn,

I do appreciate your help now and in the past.

If poeple speak condescending, I will pass on the "help." Music is great, but it's not my whole life and certainly no excuse for people to be rude. I respect others, and they need to respect me for it to work.

Not so helpful: "Look - you are in the process of potentially screwing up your chances of getting what you want from both the VS and from the forum (where were attempting to help you)."


Very helpful: "If you only have one external scsi device, then take your pick of anything lower than 7. 0 is fine, 1 is fine, 2 is fine, etc"

"You evidently have 4 partitions 0, 1, 2, 3 on your internal hard drive which is labeled SYS Select Drv=IDE: 0."

"SYS select Drv is NOT the same thing as setting the scsi id.
It is for two things "

Appreciate the helpful stuff. Thanks!


Edited by gmskyhook (05/16/21 08:53 PM)

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#1730388 - 05/16/21 08:53 PM Re: Any help really appreciated. SYS Init. Drive=No DRV [Re: gmskyhook]
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 Originally Posted By: gmskyhook
Hey John,

Yes, I am meticulous about saving my work and detailing my settings on paper as well.

I tried a CF mod but it didn't work out.

Did the SD mod and it works to a degree. I can load my songs, work on them, save them... But when I shut down my vs880ex it erases everything.

Thinking about getting a Roland refurb hard drive.


It appears on the surface that you have been trying to use an sd or cf card and adaptor as an internal drive replacement, as many here have done in the past. It also appears that you have run into the same problem with the sd card option as many before you have - that of the vs wanting to reinitialize the card whenever you've removed it from the vs, put it in the pc to extract tracks and then reinserted it in the vs.

This problem, by the way, does not appear to happen with sd card mods when used as an external hard drive connected to the scsi port. It's a pretty reliable solution, but also not cheap anymore. That is because the price of a primary component of the mod has become so expensive - that of the ide/scsi bridge card needed to be installed in the external case used for these mods.

I suggested once already - and you have ignored it, or at least not responded to it - that the cf card mod is a more reliable solution (for the internal drive replacement mod.). And that, if you were actually able to screw it up by inserting either the cf card in the adaptor, or the adaptor into the hard drive caddy, that it would be worth the small cost and effort to give that another try. It is far more likely to succeed than the sd card and adaptor as a replacement for the internal drive.

I will wait to hear your response before attempting any further assistance. It appears that you are getting more confused as this discussion proceeds and I don't wish to see your efforts fail.
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