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#1665147 - 06/13/20 09:25 PM Replacing Hard Drive
eshbaugh Offline
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Iím guessing this has been covered before. Happy to search when Iím not on my phone, but just thought Iíd ask while I had a chance.
How difficult is replacing the hard drive in a 2400?
Mineís been running like a champ for years and years but I had a day with a number of ďHard Drive BusyĒ errors during playback. Made me skittish.
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#1665189 - 06/14/20 12:57 AM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: eshbaugh]
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Not hard at all. Takes longer to remove the screws on the back then to install..I just did mine Thursday. I used the jp103-5 adapter and a Samsung 128gb ssd did a quick format and was up in running..
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#1665228 - 06/14/20 03:26 AM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Ro77]
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Thanks. Are the adapters difficult to find? Running into a lot of 'no longer available'. Where did you get one?
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#1665243 - 06/14/20 04:16 AM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: eshbaugh]
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Check your pm I sent you a link to the one I bought I just check it and itís in stock.

Edited by Ro77 (06/14/20 04:17 AM)

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#1665281 - 06/14/20 05:09 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Ro77]
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Sorry to bother you, not sure it came through. I sent you a PM.

Thank you,
Gary E
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#1665283 - 06/14/20 05:29 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: eshbaugh]
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I just sent it again
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#1665970 - 06/19/20 04:17 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Ro77]
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What is the use of this Forum, when you are sending PMs...
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#1666369 - 06/22/20 04:01 AM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Bratkartov]
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Not sure if I was able to post a link to an item or not. So I played it safe and sent him the link through a pm..
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#1670242 - 07/10/20 07:53 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Ro77]
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Iīm not sure you need to replace it, it means itīs full. Try optomize, which takes unnecessary data off, or back up everything and do a drive check and defrag. Might work


Edited by Anderskarl (07/10/20 08:56 PM)

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#1670306 - 07/11/20 04:24 AM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Anderskarl]
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Hey, guys. Thanks for posting this.

Nice job identifying the parts needed.

How many partitions did you end up with, and what were their sizes?
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#1670685 - 07/13/20 06:11 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: LarryG]
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I think I ended up with 11 at 11.something gb if Im not mistaken..I would check but I sent mine off to get a good fader cleaning.. hopefully the OP can chime in..
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#1670813 - 07/14/20 04:00 AM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Ro77]
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Thanks, R.

Good luck with the cleaning.
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#1675656 - 08/16/20 10:06 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: LarryG]
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Bout to upgrade a 2400 to a Solid State Drive.

This may be a silly question but I assume the OS is in Ram
and the SSD (or HD) only stores data? Does that even make sense?

Thanks. I know just enough to be dangerous!

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Edited by Spargo (08/16/20 10:07 PM)
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#1675732 - 08/17/20 05:06 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Spargo]
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 Originally Posted By: Spargo
...This may be a silly question but I assume the OS is in Ram
and the SSD (or HD) only stores data? Does that even make sense?

Thanks. I know just enough to be dangerous!

StrayDog
Well... No. Not in RAM, that indeed would not make any sense.
If you would power down the OS would be gone too. But the OS is on its own chip on the motherboard [and could be updated in the past].
Maybe on start-up there are things loaded into RAM, I don't know.

And yes, the HD stores data. The audio en the different parameters on it. Like scenes, what effect currently is used and things like that. There's different files for that.

Have fun recording & mixing and stuff...


Edited by MusicianJerry (08/17/20 05:09 PM)
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#1675786 - 08/18/20 01:01 AM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: MusicianJerry]
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Thanks!

I had to get an answer - was afraid I would lose the OS!

Thanks again!

Stray

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#1685948 - 10/12/20 03:26 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Spargo]
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I had not used my home studio for some time. Recently, I fired up the 2400 and get the following: a quick flash of the vertical line of lights beginning with 'pan', a single 'grunt' sound like attempted HD start, lighted screen with no data and no input on aux monitor. Is this a hard drive failure or more sinister?

Thanks in advance

PB

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#1686026 - 10/13/20 04:05 AM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: wofpac]
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No idea what that was, PB. Perhaps your description may trigger anotherís memory and provide some direction.

But good luck... and please keep us posted.
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#1708733 - 01/12/21 04:20 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: wofpac]
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Like all troubleshooting, start at the bottom and work up. Check your power outlet or power strip if that is what you are using and verify you are getting power, then check your power cord.

if you are getting power to the machine but it is not booting into the workstation, you need to check machine power supply to see if it is putting out the proper voltages. look for burned components, and ozone/smoky smell. don't use your fingers to test for voltage, use a meter.

it sounds like a power problem, since it can't even boot.

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#1723411 - 03/30/21 11:24 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Anderskarl]
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That was a good idea to clean it up. I kind of suspected that as well. I optimized and deleting backed up files. I haven't seen it since (2 mos). I do now have all I need to change the drive if I want to go that route. Happy days. Thanks for all the feedback.
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#1736462 - 06/19/21 01:27 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: eshbaugh]
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Just to add - for those who are maybe sitting on the fence about switching to an SSD - I've just successfully 'upgraded'.
As pointed out above, it takes you longer to remove the screws from the base plate than to actually do the work.
I used the recommended JP103-5 adapter and a Kingston 120gb SSD.

If there is a snag, it's the decision of how to hold the drive in the over-sized 'cradle'. For the minute, mine's held with bluetack, but now I've verified the system works, I'll consider other possible methods. Not sure what they'll be yet.
Once formatted, I now have 10 drives of 11.5gb, and 1 of 5.5gb.

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#1736468 - 06/19/21 01:59 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Eejit]
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 Originally Posted By: Eejit
...
If there is a snag, it's the decision of how to hold the drive in the over-sized 'cradle'. For the minute, mine's held with bluetack, but now I've verified the system works, I'll consider other possible methods. Not sure what they'll be yet...


If the drive bay in the 2400cd is a standard 3.5" bay, then something like this thinline drive tray might work? Or does this not work with the JP103-5 adapter? https://www.ebay.com/itm/154405295162
I've been using these with ssd drives quite successfully in my old desktop pc.


Edited by uptildawn (06/19/21 02:00 PM)
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#1736488 - 06/19/21 03:39 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: uptildawn]
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 Originally Posted By: uptildawn
 Originally Posted By: Eejit
...
If there is a snag, it's the decision of how to hold the drive in the over-sized 'cradle'. For the minute, mine's held with bluetack, but now I've verified the system works, I'll consider other possible methods. Not sure what they'll be yet...


If the drive bay in the 2400cd is a standard 3.5" bay, then something like this thinline drive tray might work? Or does this not work with the JP103-5 adapter? https://www.ebay.com/itm/154405295162
I've been using these with ssd drives quite successfully in my old desktop pc.



Hmm. Not sure, sir.
Hadn't occurred that there might be a ready-made solution!
Width no problem, obviously.
Trying to envisage how the 103-5 would sit in the business end of the new tray. If 'recessed', probably OK. If 'proud', it might be a bit of a problem, as the original 3.5" tray fits neatly into the corner of the VS chassis.
It's probably worth a punt, even if it means having to hack a bit off!
Not such a cheap option for those outside the US! Only $9 for you!

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#1736507 - 06/19/21 06:21 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Eejit]
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I was hoping you might discover a similar tray in the UK - something like this maybe?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=...y+Tray&_sacat=0

Again - I don't know how it might or might not work - just a suggestion to find something 'ready-made' as you say....
there may be other variations that make a better fit.
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#1736509 - 06/19/21 07:11 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: uptildawn]
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 Originally Posted By: uptildawn
I was hoping you might discover a similar tray in the UK - something like this maybe?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=...y+Tray&_sacat=0

Again - I don't know how it might or might not work - just a suggestion to find something 'ready-made' as you say....
there may be other variations that make a better fit.



Yes - you have me thinking now!
There's only one thing to do - It's out with the screws again!
I'll take a few photo's of the current setup, and a few measurements as well.
Busy this evening, but will try during Sunday.

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#1736643 - 06/20/21 10:51 PM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Eejit]
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Having found out that my phone isn't taking photo's for some reason leaves me with a few observations about measurements and some thoughts about the tray which uptildawn mentioned.

First of all, the original HDD in mine is a Maxtor Fireball 3, 40gb. It happens to be dated 17 Nov 2002, so I suspect it's the original factory fit.
The cradle - a better description of the unit the HDD sits in - has 2 open ends and is 144mm long.
When fitted and lined up with the cradle bolt holes, the Maxtor slightly overhangs the cradle at the connectors end, which alters the overall length to 150mm (6" in real money).
The Kingston SDD is obviously smaller in width, but is also significantly shorter at 4".
You can probably find a photo of a JP103-5 adapter elsewhere - they are just under 4" long by 1" wide, with the power and data connectors on one side, and the SDD connector on the opposite. Taking a measurement from the rear of the power supply plug to the leading edge of the SDD socket, you're probably looking at 1.5" depending on how 'flexible' the 4 wires leading to the power plug are, and how the data ribbon cable is folded.
As far as I can see, all this would cause no problem with having the room to fit an SSD job, assuming the new 2.5" cradle allows the SSD to be bolted into it.
However, I fear the 'business end' of the 2.5" cradles - with data and power connectors - might cause the JP to go out of alignment, and thereby the SSD as well. If so, the likelyhood is that the cradle bolts won't line up with the drive anyway.
So?
Better than bluetack to hold in place?
Wedge with foam?
Do SSDs get hot?

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#1736652 - 06/21/21 12:48 AM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: Eejit]
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If you can get some photos somehow of the inside of that recorder, it would be pretty easy to tell if the sdd w/2/5" to 3/5" cradle would work.

Comparing actual drives with the 2.5" to 3.5" adapter cradle, I see no difference in how the mounting holes are laid out for the 3.5" part of the mounting, nor do I see any difference in how the sata connectors line up, or how they line up with the old IDE connectors on the drives. If the bridge adapter and the internal ribbon cable could reach for the sata hard drive and the original IDE drive with the original ribbon, then I just don't see what the hang up will be with one of the cradles I've suggested. It should screw directly into the same mounting screw holes as the original hd. Even if the height is different, lining this cradle up with the original drive bay screw holes will guarantee that the connector is at the right height - if that bridge card worked with a standard sata hd.

Take a look at these photos - let me know what the difference is that you see in the recorder itself that would stop you from using the adapter.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApQxVDASwyuYvmX_rDaWG0knSUts



https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApQxVDASwyuYvmYaGwJjtdnrb5XL



https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApQxVDASwyuYvmQc7mV5MLAk1cqh
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#1736661 - 06/21/21 08:47 AM Re: Replacing Hard Drive [Re: uptildawn]
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Sorry to say that unfortunately unable to access your images, but many thanks for taking the time and effort. That was really grand of you.
I've ordered one of the caddies - they all appear roughly the same, but knowing the Chinese, it probably won't be the case! (Possibly literally!)
Sadly I later realised that I'd used my Irish address to order, so that'll put an extra week-or-so on the delivery. Rough guess, towards July end.
I'll let you know!


Edit at later hour - These JP adapters are a bit flimsy! Be careful if you have to pull your data/power plugs back off!


Edit, a day later - The thought of waiting for a month, just to save a few euros got to me! Better than bluetack, I measured the drive and drilled holes to match in the existing Roland cradle! 4 little screws, and all's well.
One thing did become clear - the JP's connectors are 'offset', and it therefore doesn't sit centrally in the cradle. Whether the ordered unit will have similar problems? We'll see in due course.


Edited by Eejit (06/22/21 01:19 PM)

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