#1716158 - 02/12/21 12:23 AM
Can not access project list
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wofpac
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Boots fine and last played song appears. Press shift and proj appears over F1. Press F1 and yes/no buttons flash and no list or drives appear. Press yes OR no and returns to loaded song. How can I access my drives and projects/tunes?
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#1716170 - 02/12/21 12:43 AM
Re: Can not access project list
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uptildawn
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Sometimes this process feels like applying brute force to the problem, but it is Roland's solution to the sort of issues you appear to be having. Pg 111 of the pdf 2400cd owner's manual starts like this:
Drive Check
If you’re experiencing problems loading a project, copying it or backing it up, you can run a Drive Check operation to determine if the problem is with your data—if not, you may have a connection problem or a hardware malfunction. Drive Check examines the directory that keeps track of where your files are, and seeks out potential problems with your data. When it’s done, it displays a report of its findings.
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It goes on to describe in detail how to use drive check and what to expect. One key point is that they always point out that you will "lose data", if drive check finds issues and fixes them. They also point out that if a problem exists that drive check can possibly fix, that the lost data would have been corrupt and need to be deleted anyway. Don't despair over this much, because the "data" lost is not necessarily recorded track data and as they point out - there is no other alternative than to delete corrupted data, since they offer no other repair option.
At any rate, it has been my personal experience with the 1680 that of the 3-4 times I had to run drive check, I only lost a small bit of track data on an unused virtual track one time. Maybe I was lucky, but maybe it is commonplace to mostly have internal data become corrupted.
That's my suggestion. Roland specifically suggests its use for what you've described - it could be a corrupted song list....
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#1716235 - 02/12/21 01:05 PM
Re: Can not access project list
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wofpac
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Thank you. I will give it a try.
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#1716238 - 02/12/21 01:35 PM
Re: Can not access project list
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wofpac
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Actually, I am unable to do a drive check because when I press shift/F1, the video screen does not change. The tracks of the existing song remains. Drives do no appear as an option. The yes/no buttons flash. If either is selected, it simply returns to the track view. My 2400 died. I have just acquired this one. I believe my drive/data are 'OK'. I have tried my drive as well as the drive that came in the 'new' unit. Same with both. The project loaded at startup plays fine. Shift/F1 does not present the drive partitions and therefore projects.
I really would like to get my songs from my drive. If the box dies afterwards or in the process, I am ok.
Any and all help is appreciated.
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#1716245 - 02/12/21 02:47 PM
Re: Can not access project list
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uptildawn
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I don't know the 2400, so I'm afraid I won't be of much help.
Did you press the page button to change the screen after you pressed shift/f1? Instructions say you must do so to get to drive check.
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#1716824 - 02/15/21 04:54 PM
Re: Can not access project list
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wofpac
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I am able to access the drive via VGA but not the screen. Now, a new issue. The unit has both the VS8F 2 and 3 cards. When I apply effects, I get a repeated message saying 'you are using trial effects' and playback ceases. As noted, t his unit is new to me. Do these cards have to be registered to use them? What must I do to be able to use the effects? I am getting too old to figure this stuff out.
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#1716829 - 02/15/21 05:42 PM
Re: Can not access project list
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uptildawn
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the 3 cards are about the most convoluted excuse for copyright protected schemes I've ever heard of - I stopped trying to upgrade my 1680 when those things came out.
In order to use them, your hard drive has to contain a partition devoted to them, they have to be registered and if you have multiple 3 cards, the one you used to register the effects has to always remain in the #1 fx card slot. There's also a lot of grief to do with keeping backup cds of the effects and of course, those backup discs must remain readable by the VS down the road, which becomes an iffy thing if/when the burner goes belly up.
I'm just not the one to ask about the 3 cards, I think. 
I'm a bit biased against them.
The 2 cards are fine and ready to go - except that if combined with 3 cards, I believe the "key" 3 card has to be in slot 1, so can't put a 2 card in slot 1 in that case.
There's so many reasons why your 3 card effects might now be in demo mode - as you might understand now. It may be difficult to get it sorted out. I'd get in touch with the seller and persist in asking about the 3 cards - backup discs, original discs, was the hard drive reformatted, or changed without reinstalling the 3 cards before the sale...... the list is long I'm afraid.
Hopefully someone else will have some positive hope for you.
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#1716832 - 02/15/21 05:55 PM
Re: Can not access project list
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wofpac
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More info. My original 2400(second hand) died. I transferred the drive( with my tunes) from the dead 2400 to the new(to me) 2400. Everything was fine until I tried the effects card(s). Some of my tunes had effects applied and they played until I accessed the cards. If I moved the cards from the dead unit to the new, would that solve the issue?
Based on your information, would one encounter this whenever you replaced a hard drive?
I am beginning to loose patience with these units. Nice when they work. Of course, they are old, like me!
Thank you for your help.
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#1716840 - 02/15/21 07:53 PM
Re: Can not access project list
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uptildawn
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Hard drive replacement will definitely affect the 3 cards... no doubt. Precautions and backups need to be vigorously applied there.
If your dead unit had 3 cards, I'm guessing you might be able to move them into the new machine, but the key card must remain the key card in the new machine and I believe the hard drive either has to go with it, or you have to have proper backups of the effects to reinstall in the new machine.
I'm guessing about the 3 cards - so please take my suggestions with a slight pinch of salt, as I may be wrong - and hopefully wrong in a good way.
2 cards won't be an issue at all, unless you need the 3 card effects. You could potentially load up the new machine with all 2 cards and go wild with 2 card effects.
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#1716851 - 02/15/21 09:21 PM
Re: Can not access project list
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wofpac
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Both units have 1 VS8F-2 and 1 VS8F-3. If moved from 'dead' to 'new' it would be reunited with the original HD. I have some nice external effects that I would actually prefer to use. An Alex(old but sweet) and a T C Electronics Finalizer. My recording is >95% vocal harmony and acoustic guitar.So those 2 would cover most everything I require. Is there a way to dry mix to 2 tracks, send to the daisy chained external boxes and return to the 2400 for CD printing? I am certain you can surmise that I am not a pro or even very facile at this electronic stuff!
BTW I spent a year in Iowa City doing my Vascular Surgery fellowship circa 1980. It is cold here in Richmond, Va today. I KNOW it is cold in Iowa City. Thanks again for your help.
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#1716878 - 02/16/21 12:09 AM
Re: Can not access project list
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uptildawn
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It's cold alright!
and it's not over, I hear.
If you haven't reinitialized your original HD, I don't see why the original 3 card, inserted in the 1st slot of the new machine would not work. I can't say for sure - like I said - but I would think your best bet would to first, take out the new machine's 3 card. Then, assuming it was already in the 1st slot - replace it with your old 3 card and give it a whirl (assuming the old hd is in the new machine also.
If it works and your effects are in registered mode, then I would suspect that you could at least add the other 2 card to have a pair of those and 1 3card - guessing that you have more than 2 slots, that is. If this machine only has 2 slots and it were me doing it, I'd try putting in the old 3 card and leaving the 2 card - or just replace both...... that shouldn't make a difference.
I'm sure there's more than one way to dry-mix to 2-track and loop that through external fx and back into the 2000 to burn a cd. I just don't happen to know off the top of my head, because I sort of gave up on external fx at some point and still don't use anything more than a pedal on a guitar/bass.
Still hoping somebody else will chime in with some 2000 experience for you.
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#1716888 - 02/16/21 12:49 AM
Re: Can not access project list
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wofpac
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I will make the switch in the next few days and let you know.
Thanks again.
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#1717396 - 02/18/21 06:06 PM
Re: Can not access project list
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wofpac
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I rejoined the original 2 and 3 cards with their hard drive. The trial error went away but still not able to fully access effects. Many are 'grayed out'. No MTK. I contacted Roland. They have beed responsive if not encouraging/helpful. WHat I learned is that a VS8F-3 can only be 'married' to a single drive, ever! The installation CD is only good for a single use. Therefore, trying to buy a used VS with a functioning 3 card is a real crap shoot. A more thorough search on the manual does reveal work arounds for utilizing external effects boxes.BTW, I was able to get all of my old tunes quasimixed to CD. Not ideal but the best I could do. Frankly, my main incentive to continue with the VS is the unique ability to use a VGA monitor!
Snow and ice in Richmond today.
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#1717415 - 02/18/21 07:33 PM
Re: Can not access project list
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uptildawn
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Wonder if the VS would respond to a cloned hard drive in order to get past the one hd forever limitation? Not that it would do any good if the original hd is kaput... but it's just a thought.
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#1717528 - 02/19/21 11:56 AM
Re: Can not access project list
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gyorpb
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WHat I learned is that a VS8F-3 can only be 'married' to a single drive, ever! The installation CD is only good for a single use.
The installation process ties the CD to the VS8F-3, not to the hard drive. The CD can henceforth be used to reinstall the plug-ins, but only of that specific VS8F-3 card is installed (in the first slot).
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