#1733387 - 05/31/21 02:25 PM
CD Writer Error 'NG': please help!
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Phil W
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Registered: 04/21/21
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I'm hoping that someone can help ...
I recently bought a VS2000 and decided to upgrade the hard drive with a Chronos 120GB SSD, using Ian Canefire's helpful YouTube posts. All went well until I noticed that the opening screen shows:
> Initialize IDE : OK
Setup HD: OK
Setup CD : NG
In other words, the CD writer is not recognized (although I can't find the exact meaning of the error message 'NG' anywhere on line). However, the writer still powers up and accepts discs, but if I try to use it the message 'No CD-RW Drive!' appears.
Here's what I have done to try to solve the problem:
I opened the back up and checked the connections to the CD drive - all good. I even re-connected the old IDE drive and the CD Writer was recognized. Next I used the USB to compare the content of the IDE drive with the new SSD drive (looking for a CD writer driver on the old drive) but found nothing helpful. Although the VS2000 already had the latest 2.005 operating system, I re-installed it, but the CD Writer is still not recognized with the new SSD drive installed. While doing all of this I have trawled through the forums to check if similar problems have occurred but can't find anything.
As I see it, the following options remain:
1. Re-install the old IDE drive and forget the SSD upgrade.
2. Try a different SSD card (although the Chronos is formatted and works fine).
3. Identify the make and model of the CD Writer already installed and search for a driver online - though I'm not sure how I could get the VS2000 to accept this.
4. Replace the CD Writer (even though it works with the IDE drive, so would a replacement drive work with the SSD?)
5. Write a post to VSPlanet and hope that someone with more knowledge and experience can point me in the right direction!
Any advice would be most appreciated - thanks in anticipation.
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#1733421 - 05/31/21 06:17 PM
Re: CD Writer Error 'NG': please help!
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dkfackler
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Just guessing-- could this be a Master/Slave issue? IIRC, the CD drive has to be set to Master-- and since it's a working original, it is set as such. Is there any documentation on the SSD about changing settings?
dk
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#1733438 - 05/31/21 07:15 PM
Re: CD Writer Error 'NG': please help!
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uptildawn
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...IIRC, the CD drive has to be set to Master--...
I only have an observation to offer on this - it doesn't make sense to me that the cd drive would be set to master, if the hard drive and cd drive are connected "in series". I'm visualizing this in the sense of an old ide desktop ribbon cable scenario.
Either the hard drive would have to be connected to the primary connector on a single ribbon cable arrangement and the jumper set to master and the cd drive connected to the slave connector on the same ribbon (and the jumper set to slave), or the cd drive would have to be connected to a secondary ribbon cable (and probably the jumper set to master, or cable select). My recollection is right, isn't it?
Does the 2000 use two ribbons/connectors - one for the hd and one for the cd drive? Or is there just one ribbon cable with 2 connectors, going to just one motherboard port? I think knowing this is an important part of diagnosing the potential problem.
An ssd doesn't have a juper to set master/slave/cable select, as an ide drive has. So any setting of that nature would either have to be the position of the drive on a single ribbon cable, or dependent on the motherboard port it is connected to.
I'm assuming that Daddo hasn't rearranged which device is plugged into which cable, or which connector (on a single cable), so I am at a loss to offer other suggestions at the moment.
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#1733443 - 05/31/21 07:44 PM
Re: CD Writer Error 'NG': please help!
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Phil W
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Registered: 04/21/21
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Thanks for both getting back on this so quickly. After posting I went on a long bike ride and started thinking the issue through and wondered if it was the slave/master issue. I actually have two VS2000s and successfully upgraded the first from HDD to SSD a little while ago (no issues with CD writer). For this second VS2000 I used a similar 'PATA IDE to SATA adapter', but they are not identical. Perhaps that is the issue.
From what I recall, there are separate connectors for the hard drive and CD writer. I'm going to open up both machines to check - and also swap over the adapters to see if that is the problem...I'll let you know what happens - and thanks again.
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#1733448 - 05/31/21 08:54 PM
Re: CD Writer Error 'NG': please help!
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Phil W
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So ... the hard drive and CD writer have separate cables/connectors. Going back to the hard drives, I swapped the 'PATA IDE to SATA' adapters between my two VS2000s and something strange has happened - but I'm not complaining.
The 'original' adapter got the problem VS2000 working (yes - the CD writer was recognized and functions perfectly). The latest adapter, first installed in the 'problem' VS2000 which would not recognize the CD writer, works fine in the other VS2000 (the CD writer is recognized and works fine)!
I can't understand why this is so. The VS2000 with the CD writer problem has a later serial number - maybe something was updated in manufacture which led to the issue.
Anyway, all's well that ends well. I now have two working VS2000s and can get on with a new recording project after 20+ years with a VS1680. I'm loving the big screen and the enhanced EFX. At some point soon I will try syncing the two devices together.
Meanwhile, I hope that this post helps anyone with a similar problem: if you are upgrading to SSD there may be problems with the CD writer - and the culprit will likely be the 'PATA IDE to SATA' adapter.
Thanks again to dkfackler and uptildawn - much appreciated.
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#1733455 - 05/31/21 10:13 PM
Re: CD Writer Error 'NG': please help!
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uptildawn
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Oh Boy! I'm really glad you got that one sorted out on your own! Sure helped to have that second machine to swap parts.
There's just no getting around the fact that the VS recorders are finicky beasts and have to be treated with a gentle, forgiving attitude.
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#1733553 - 06/01/21 05:50 AM
Re: CD Writer Error 'NG': please help!
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gyorpb
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I can't understand why this is so. The VS2000 with the CD writer problem has a later serial number - maybe something was updated in manufacture which led to the issue. Anyway, all's well that ends well. I now have two working VS2000s and can get on with a new recording project after 20+ years with a VS1680.
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#1733560 - 06/01/21 08:39 AM
Re: CD Writer Error 'NG': please help!
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Eejit
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Registered: 09/25/20
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Forgive the intrusion here - and please don't think I'm writing with any authority or experience of your task, because I can't claim either!
You've mentioned Ian Canefire's excellent videos - perhaps I should mention that he emphasises the use of one adapter in particular?
If I remember correctly, he claims 3 successes with units marked with JP103-5 - A quick eBay etc. search shows some "identical" adapters, but not all boast that particular serial number.
Perhaps that could throw some light on the matter?
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#1733712 - 06/02/21 09:59 AM
Re: CD Writer Error 'NG': please help!
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Phil W
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Registered: 04/21/21
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Hi Eejit. I bought both adapters from separate sellers on eBay after comparing the features of the adapters in Ian Canefire's videos - unfortunately, there were no numbers on the eBay adapters to refer to so my purchases were based solely on visual features.
The first one I bought visually corresponded exactly to that advertised and worked fine. That seller had no more so I had to go to a different seller for the second adapter - when that arrived I could see that it looked similar but not the same as it's published picture, but decided to give it a try.
The 'working' adapter has two (what I assume are) capacitors protruding out from the board next to the 39 pin socket. The 'problem' adapter has two small square 'microchips' in place of the 'capacitors'. (Sorry for the inverted commas - I'm not an expert on circuit boards). I hope this helps. The good thing is that these adapters are inexpensive (about £7) and are returnable - I could have sent the 'problem' adapter back as it did not match the pictures it was advertised with. Fortunately, it does work in my older VS2000.
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#1733729 - 06/02/21 12:33 PM
Re: CD Writer Error 'NG': please help!
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Eejit
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Registered: 09/25/20
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That's interesting, Phil.
The top photo - your success job - shows RXD-something, in exactly the same place as Mr.Canefire's JP103-5 location.
I've no idea how these products end up being named one thing-or-another, but it's good news that whatever's changed in order for it to be "re-classified" hasn't been a barrier to it working for you.
I suppose it must be a similar scenario to the IDE-SD adapters - the "older" type seem to work on a VS, whereas the newer (can) cause all sorts of problems.
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