#1851342 - 06/01/23 07:14 PM
Anybody Tried Using This CF Adapter?
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sweetbeats
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I like it because it mounts in a standard 2.5” IDE drive bay, and so would mount in the factory Roland HDD caddy in my VSR-880, but I’m concerned that it won’t work because it mounts two CF cards, a master and a slave. You don’t have to have both CF cards mounted, you can have just the master, but this isn’t a device that spans both CF cards as one drive…the VSR-880 will likely see two drives, and I’m concerned that will cause it to fail as a CF option for the VSR-880. I can’t find another CF adapter in this form factor with side-mount as an option (enabling it to mount to the Roland caddy), with only one CF card.
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#1851355 - 06/01/23 08:50 PM
Re: Anybody Tried Using This CF Adapter?
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uptildawn
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Seem to me I remember that the VS won't work with the dual card style, though I never tried one and can't point to any specific examples. Might be worth a try, but don't be disappointed if it doesn't work - hell, half the single ones won't work for some odd reason or another. Then again, I haven't tried one for at least five years, since finding a couple that DID work and still work the rare times I power up the 880 or the 1680 these days.
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#1851368 - 06/01/23 09:21 PM
Re: Anybody Tried Using This CF Adapter?
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sweetbeats
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Hey thanks for the reply.
Yeah…I realize I’m speaking in relative obscurity here lol.
Do you happen to have any idea what adapters worked for you? Also what CF cards? Or is there any resource for this info anywhere?
Maybe I should just get an IDE SSD. I’m not going to be transferring data a lot. I’m just trying to find a solution that utilizes the factory caddy somehow…I could get the kit that one guy is selling on Reverb and eBay where there is an external slot for the card, but I don’t like how it looks and it’s $75.
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#1851407 - 06/01/23 11:33 PM
Re: Anybody Tried Using This CF Adapter?
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uptildawn
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Here's a couple of links to pics and a doc that I had put together a few years ago that you might find useful. I doubt that you will find exactly the same parts today, even if they look the same and are called the same, because so much of this stuff changes over time.... But take a look and see what I had done. Maybe it will lead you in the right direction.
I for one, don't like the side oriented sd card slot (I doubt I would like a side version of the cf card slot either. I much prefer the rear facing slot, especially when mounted in the Roland caddy frame. I also prefer the cf card solution over the sdhc card - but it may not matter much anymore as far as predicting which cards your VS will accept and properly format. You may have to buy a handful of different cards before you find one that works. Generally the 133x cf cards work better for me than faster ones and 4x or 8x sdhc cards tended to work better than faster, as well. You might also fiddle with sdhc cards in sd-to-cf adapters (see photos). Notice the most recent batch of cards I bought were from 2021 - I was surprised which ones didn't work.
It used to be that the particular manuf. version of some of the readers made all the difference and not so much the cards... but now I just don't know anymore. It's all hit 'n miss.
A general rule of thumb with the VS (especially those older models than the 2480, 2000, 2400... is that less works better - smaller capacity and speed with solid state stuff. I haven't tried something like the Samsung evo ssd's that I use in laptops and desktop pcs, for instance, but I seriously doubt the VS will even recognize it as a legit hd to format. Even then it will never use more than its (the VS) stated capacity and partition size.
https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApQxVDASwyuYj2Yuqb31E7GAgA78
https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApQxVDASwyuYvBlY-NykKvamU3Cd
Edited by uptildawn (06/01/23 11:41 PM)
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#1851412 - 06/02/23 01:02 AM
Re: Anybody Tried Using This CF Adapter?
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sweetbeats
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That is all a bunch of really informative and helpful information, both the post and the links to the pics…thank you!
I’ve also been toying with the idea of just getting one of these:
https://reverb.com/item/47060387-compact...ader-for-vsr880
Yes, it’s $65 plus S&H, but the mounting solution is elegant, and the seller had to custom fabricate the faceplate which looks nicely done, and the card reader is one that works out of the box, so the price really isn’t unreasonable.
But back to your pics…I see…I’ve been trying to figure out how to mount a CF adapter to the caddy, and trying to find a form factor that will mount like a HDD…can’t find that…getting dizzy trying to figure it out, and you just have the adapter basically fastened by nothing other than the friction of the 44-pin IDE connector, but you have the 44-pin to 50-pin adapter somehow retained in the caddy so you can still use the caddy to pull the whole assembly out and access the flash card when needed. I didn’t think of that. I’m not a fan of the CF adapter retained by just the 44-pin connector, but I get the impression you’re not either and save for a custom bracket or something that bonds the adapter to the caddy what does one do…
Huh! Good food for thought here. Thanks. And I totally discounted SD cards…for some reason I thought only CF worked. I have several SD cards here. So that’s an option too.
The bottom line is traditional HDDs are just not a long-term solution due to the limitations on the drive placed by the device OS and maybe buss circuit topology, the drives are getting harder to find and the reality is when you can find them, if new, they are NOS. A 15 or 20 year old drive is a 15 to 20 year old drive…they still age sitting on the shelf…service life will not be the same as it was when they were new back in the day. So something else has to be used and something solid state seems to be the ideal pathway.
Edited by sweetbeats (06/02/23 01:08 AM)
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#1851430 - 06/02/23 02:58 AM
Re: Anybody Tried Using This CF Adapter?
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uptildawn
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Wonder if the reverb seller is the same as the one who originally came up with the mod and posted on the planet here way back when? That's a slick solution - the trick is to just confirm with the seller that the reader you buy has been tested in the VS beforehand. Just in case a newer version purchased to sell has undergone a change to components that makes it unusable in the VS.... great solution though!
My own version of that takes the form of a reader mounted in an IDE case, which occupies the hard drive bay in the Roland CD Rack I bought many years ago. It works great, if not a bit slow, because of all the adapters I had to gang up to connect the unit to the Centronics connectors on the rear of the rack. Here's a few pics of that monstrosity - work very good though and has a working cd burner as well (that's a Plextor burner).
Amongst the pics of the adapter mod I had done, are some updated pics of the four systems I can currently use with either the 1680, or 880 that I still own.
https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApQxVDASwyuYj2WhRaHkqm7cop8p
By the way - the caddy-mounted readers work great - they weigh very little, even with card inserted. The pin connectors are held firmly in place by wedging a very thin piece of cardboard (a matchbook, maybe?) into the slot as the connector is situated in place. It's worked great for years, even when moved around, plugged and unplugged from the VS caddy enclosure, too.
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#1851431 - 06/02/23 03:03 AM
Re: Anybody Tried Using This CF Adapter?
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uptildawn
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Oh yeah - I just lucked out accumulating an extra caddy or two. They were nowhere to be found for sale by the time I started considering the mods everybody here was talking about trying out.
The one metal caddy with the ide drive actually came that way from the hd supplier - paid over $500.00 for the 12GB, 5400rpm spinner (a Toshiba) back in the very late 90's (if memory serves).
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#1851433 - 06/02/23 03:04 AM
Re: Anybody Tried Using This CF Adapter?
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sweetbeats
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Fascinating…thanks for the additional info!
The Reverb solution I think is leftover from the original batch. The listing is old and I think they just haven’t sold the way he intended. Good idea to verify the adapter works though.
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