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#1864095 - 09/14/23 12:35 AM The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles?
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In my mind there was one side of a record that got there. It was side A on Pretenders II, back before the great James Honeyman Scott passed.

Maybe you have records that measure up for you?

These were 2 of the songs on that. Amazing.



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#1864098 - 09/14/23 02:01 AM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: AL]
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Not sure what that even means. Musically, culturally, impact? Nobody.

One great album? For my money, here are a few:

Pet Sounds - Beach Boys
In the Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson
Ziggy Stardust and the Spider From Mars - David Bowie
Led Zeppelin II/III/IV/V
Machine Head - Deep Purple
Dark Side of the Moon/Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd
Yes Album/Fragile - Yes
This Years Model/Armed Forces - Elvis Costello
Leftoverature/Point of No Return - Kansas
1984 - Van Halen
The Bends/OK Computer - Radiohead
Operation Mindcrime - Queensrÿche


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#1864100 - 09/14/23 03:16 AM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: MadGuitrst]
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Badfinger ~ if I understand the OP.
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#1864104 - 09/14/23 05:01 AM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: HARDDRlVER]
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Since I listen to a lot of things more than I listen to The Beatles, I guess for me a lot of things do.


My childhood was Beatles heavy.

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#1864105 - 09/14/23 05:17 AM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Tao Jones]
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My sister had an envelope full of “Beatle dirt” she collected from the ground they ran across as they dashed from the limo to the stage door for a show in Denver.

That’s pretty close.
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#1864106 - 09/14/23 05:19 AM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Xenophile]
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Peggy Lipton (the Mod Squad) claims that she had sex with Paul a couple times when she was quite young. That’s pretty close.
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#1864118 - 09/14/23 11:49 AM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Xenophile]
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yeah I guess my question there was a might unclear, sorry. I was talking about sheer rock brilliance. Pet Sounds is a good answer.

I think Elvis Costello's best record was Get Happy but Armed Forces and This Year's Model were close.
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#1864125 - 09/14/23 12:51 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: AL]
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For a sound-a-like tune, check out “Lies” by The Knickerbockers... a fave from the ‘60s
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#1864133 - 09/14/23 01:39 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: LarryG]
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How about:

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#1864139 - 09/14/23 01:57 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: MadGuitrst]
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well they were close in spirit but their albums were sorta weak.

If you're talking aoout the closest facsimile I'd go with this song.

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#1864141 - 09/14/23 02:02 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: AL]
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The Raspberries are an interesting selection, particularly that song.

As for The Knack, I think their first album was really good, the rest, not so much.
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#1864144 - 09/14/23 02:08 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: MadGuitrst]
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Dave Clark Five were close.....but not as cute.
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#1864145 - 09/14/23 02:13 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Vanillagrits]
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It if I look at it from back in my childhood when I was listening to them all the time, that’s easy: The Stones, Stevie, Marvin, Al Green, Supremes, Elton … all those held their sway, and there was more
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#1864146 - 09/14/23 02:36 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Tao Jones]
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The Jellyfish was a band that had so much cool stuff, much of the Beatle Spirit and creativity. They should have been bigger.

The Rutles
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#1864157 - 09/14/23 05:28 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: motown59]
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I have some Herman Hermits albums that came close. Also some early Hollies, but the production/sheen is missing.
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#1864159 - 09/14/23 05:42 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Timster]
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The Dave Clark Five is a great pick.

I'm gonna nominate The Rolling Stones.
From their start, I don't think anyone else came closer.
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#1864164 - 09/14/23 06:14 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: MadGuitrst]
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#1864169 - 09/14/23 06:57 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: mike gouthro]
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#1864171 - 09/14/23 07:22 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: mike gouthro]
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That's one for sure.

Course this actually could be Lennon singing this.

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#1864177 - 09/14/23 10:27 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: AL]
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See, what you're really kind of looking for is who carried on sounding like The Beatles, but no way can someone else be at their best being someone else.

However, The Monkeys sure came close. I didn't realize until "A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs" taught me that The Monkeys had a massive amount of top ten hits.

First time I heard Squeeze's Argy Bargy, I thought, hmmm the new wave Beatles?

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#1864178 - 09/14/23 11:33 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Tao Jones]
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This song always reminded me of the Beatles.


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#1864179 - 09/14/23 11:41 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Wish]
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The Rutles all the way
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#1864184 - 09/15/23 12:45 AM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: HARDDRlVER]
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Can this thread be stickie'd and retitled "everything wrong with internet conversation?"
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#1864188 - 09/15/23 01:05 AM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Popmann]
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Maybe.
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#1864189 - 09/15/23 01:13 AM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Popmann]
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I totally get the Beatles, and I understand why people love them. I also think they were easily one of the greatest rock bands, if not the greatest. I just like alot of other music. If you ask me to pick my top 10 favorite records, none of them will be Beatles records. That probably has more to do with when I was born than anything.

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#1864209 - 09/15/23 12:02 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: HARDDRlVER]
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Badfinger ~ if I understand the OP.


This right here...my friend drums for them these days buds w/Joey...
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#1864218 - 09/15/23 01:00 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Tao Jones]
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 Originally Posted By: Tao Jones
See, what you're really kind of looking for is who carried on sounding like The Beatles, but no way can someone else be at their best being someone else.

However, The Monkeys sure came close. I didn't realize until "A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs" taught me that The Monkeys had a massive amount of top ten hits.

First time I heard Squeeze's Argy Bargy, I thought, hmmm the new wave Beatles?


Well I started the thread to talk about melodic quality like the Beatles and the rest of the folks mutated the question into what sounds like the Beatles.
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#1864252 - 09/15/23 06:28 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Xenophile]
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 Originally Posted By: Xenophile
My sister had an envelope full of “Beatle dirt” she collected from the ground they ran across as they dashed from the limo to the stage door for a show in Denver.

That’s pretty close.
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#1864294 - 09/16/23 04:10 AM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: C Jo Go]
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Another way to parse the question which really works is who was or is able to deliver such a constant stream of quality product with that a distinct feeling of evolving? Then there are not so many.

Again, The Stones are contenders. Stevie for sure, for a string of albums starting with Talking Book. Marvin for two albums. Not that he wasn’t amazing before and after What’s Going On and Let’s Get it On, but those two are pretty flawless and definitely evolving music to new creative places that surprised.

Prince for a good stretch


Hmmm

That’s all I can think of for now.

Those aren’t the only kind of artists I’m into. Some I love don’t evolve much at all. But it’s an essential and exciting aspect of The Beatles and the others I mentioned.

You could quibble with The Stones and say they didn’t evolve a lot, but I feel like they were constantly delivering and surprising with a string of albums starting at Beggars’Banquet.

So it turned out to be an interesting topic for me. Still thinking it over.

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#1864296 - 09/16/23 04:15 AM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Tao Jones]
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Check out the 2 songs I posted in the OP, deeply melodic, second one is a cover of a Kinks song.

the ones you named all fit.
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#1864297 - 09/16/23 04:16 AM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Tao Jones]
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But you say you are looking through a melodic lens, and then I would say there are lots of contenders, but they all precede The Beatles. Lennon and McCartney were (for now) kind of the last in a line of classically melodic songwriters, and that is kind of how they differ most from their peers.
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#1864298 - 09/16/23 04:20 AM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Tao Jones]
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Or we could discuss hair styles
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#1864348 - 09/16/23 05:04 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Tao Jones]
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But you say you are looking through a melodic lens, and then I would say there are lots of contenders, but they all precede The Beatles. Lennon and McCartney were (for now) kind of the last in a line of classically melodic songwriters, and that is kind of how they differ most from their peers.


What you are labeling “classically melodic”? Im unfamiliar with that descriptor.

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#1864349 - 09/16/23 05:13 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Popmann]
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Just a term I thunk up for this conversation, but l think they're Rogers and Hart level melodists (I know Hart didn't write the music). Cole Porter level. Classic standards level melodists, which is as high a level as has been reached as far as I can hear.
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#1864390 - 09/16/23 08:29 PM Re: The closest anyone has ever gotten to the Beatles? [Re: Tao Jones]
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So, when you go listen to my Postmodern Jukebox cover of a Greenday song, you dont hear absolutely as melodic writing as Beatles? I hear MOREso…and mind you—the intrigue factor to ME….is that I sure don't hear it when Billie Joe shit singer singer it over his chugged straight 8ths power chord arrangement.

That melody has been stuck in my head for a week….and honestly—that didn't happen from Green Day’s rendition EVER. its been inescapable for thirty years….NOW its stuck in my head. As a musician, that intrigues me.

Do you not hear that level of melodies in modern musicals? In “not rock” music? Leading to why I never considered the Beatles “rock” really.

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