#1864519 - 09/18/23 01:05 AM
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Tao Jones
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So the beginning of that interview was gross.
The rest of it was just his trips to me. Nothing in there led me to think of him as somehow deeper than other artists, just more willing to talk.
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#1864520 - 09/18/23 01:07 AM
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Tao Jones
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I was a big fan of theirs long ago. Not much now
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#1864521 - 09/18/23 01:10 AM
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motown59
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Motown: “Anyone not aware enough that rock bands were white male dominated is looking for a rise or is ignorant. “
When we were young, the artists he lists (sans Bono) would be shoulder to shoulder on the radio (KFRC) with Marvin, Stevie, Aretha, Curtis, Sly
And Joni, Janet, Carole
Etc
It was all just the music. It was and is guys with thought patterns like his ( he himself being rather influential in that regard) that took us to a place where just white males ruled, but it wasn’t that way when all these bands were in their heyday. I remember the radio and the albums we all bought.
True, but he didn’t write a book about the diversity of FM radio, did he? You haven’t made a point with regards to his book about rock music.
“ It’s not that they’re inarticulate” does that quote not precede your’s? And did he not say that Marvin might have been in the mix had he been able to interview him? Is there no difference between being inarticulate as a whole person and inarticulate in your songwriting ? Who’s the English major here? 
“Socially aware” as a whole wasn’t the focus was it?
Aretha didn’t write most of her songs. Everyone his book is about did.
I’m not defending his comments, or his belief system. He responded in an inappropriate way to a question he should be aware was coming. I said in my first post there were at least five other ways to respond. He could have responded with another question: “ok then, what female or black artists of this period, who wrote their own songs, embodied the spirit and landscape of rock music ?”
Edited by motown59 (09/18/23 01:11 AM)
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#1864522 - 09/18/23 01:13 AM
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Al
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So the beginning of that interview was gross.
The rest of it was just his trips to me. Nothing in there led me to think of him as somehow deeper than other artists, just more willing to talk.
wow, you're really full of crap on this.
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#1864525 - 09/18/23 01:51 AM
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Tao Jones
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Al, how could I be full of crap when I am just reporting the effect that interview has on me? I'd be full of crap if I told you something different because then it wouldn't be true.
And Motown, it's all just discussion to me, you know? I think you're a great guy. Not so sure about Jann, though.
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#1864527 - 09/18/23 01:55 AM
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Al
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well Tao if you read that and come to that conclusion, you're being lunkheaded. That's pretty much the most articulate words I've ever heard coming from a rock artist.
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#1864529 - 09/18/23 02:16 AM
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#1864533 - 09/18/23 02:48 AM
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The parts I liked in Pete’s interview were when he talks of liking many corny things and when he talks about how commercial is not always a bad force and can often be a good force.
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#1864724 - 09/20/23 03:57 AM
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Tao Jones
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I was still not sure why Motown felt Wenner didn’t say there were no Black or female artists articulate enough, when that’s exactly what he said.
From an article in The Times today titled
“Jann Wenner’s Rock Hall Reign Lasted Years. It Ended in 20 Minutes.”
“In the Times interview, conducted by David Marchese, Wenner, 77, explained why his new book, “The Masters” — a collection of his interviews over the years with rock stars like Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger and Springsteen, mostly from the pages of Rolling Stone — included no women or people of color as subjects. He said that none were “as articulate enough on this intellectual level,” and that he did not view them as “philosophers of rock.”
“You know, just for public relations’ sake,” he added, “maybe I should have gone and found one Black and one woman artist to include here that didn’t measure up to that same historical standard, just to avert this kind of criticism. Which, I get it. I had a chance to do that. Maybe I’m old-fashioned and I don’t give a [expletive] or whatever.” “
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#1864727 - 09/20/23 07:06 AM
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motown59
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I was still not sure why Motown
It’s obvious you’re not sure, and obsessed with this story.
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