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#1864491 - 09/17/23 10:11 PM No offense to religious folks, but ...
flatcat flatcat Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 07/11/01 Posts: 29061 Loc: Westborough, MA, USA	... I really hope that America doesn't adopt a particular faith. I mean if you're a Christian of whatever flavor, good for you. I'm not interested in preventing you from believing what you like, and if it makes you feel better or helps you be a kinder person, that's great. That is your business, and you can believe what you want. I've spent more time than I have in a long time in churches the past couple of weeks. And I just would really find someone forcing me to do a bunch of stuff I don't believe in to be just offensive. I don't want to go to a concert or a game or dinner and have to participate in a bunch of worship to something I don't believe in. Leave me in peace. If you want to, great - but leave me out of it, and let me politely decline to participate and respectfully abstain. The United States is not a Christian nation. It's a nation where all can practice their faith in freedom and safety - or they can practice a faith at all. If you don't feel that way, I'd like you to imagine how you, in your faith, would feel being forced to respond to the Call to Prayer five times a day. If you aren't Muslim, you'd be pretty unhappy. And I wouldn't blame you. Well that's how I feel whenever I'm required to participate in thanking Jesus for whatever. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't do stuff like that. It's rude and unAmerican. _________________________ The internet, and the whole technology sector on which it floats, feels like a giant organ for bullshittery—for upscaling human access to speech and for amplifying lies. - Ian Bogost Professor Truth T. Sweetness says,"Mind your manners!"
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#1864493 - 09/17/23 10:41 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: flatcat]
Marty Gilman Marty Gilman Official Planet Sax Monster - Planeteer/Artist # 117 Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 04/05/00 Posts: 26135 Loc: Palm Beach, Florida- U S A	Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. Jefferson was a Unitarian, as I am. Unitarians have no assigned beliefs, can believe whatever they wish, even be Athiests, interfere little in folks lives other than offer help when needed. "Thy shall not wear thy religion on thy sleeve", Bill Mahaer, the 11th commandment. I have one neighbor that told me he takes every word in the bible literally. I replied, so, I guess you haven't read it all. There's some pretty strange stuff in there. I got you, Tom! m _________________________ Can you play that an octave louder?
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#1864505 - 09/18/23 12:02 AM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Marty Gilman]
Ismellelephant Ismellelephant Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 07/10/01 Posts: 52220	god bless the two of you. _________________________ Archie Bunker was a lawyer.
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#1864510 - 09/18/23 12:21 AM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Ismellelephant]
Al Al songwriter Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 04/16/99 Posts: 70284 Loc: Walmartville	I don't think America will adopt a specific religion considering that's our reason for existing at all but the diminishing party would like if it did but they're going down the tubes. _________________________ . "Do not allow my confidence to offend your insecurity" - Deion Sanders
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#1864516 - 09/18/23 12:38 AM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Al]
Tao Jones Tao Jones Planeteer Registered: 06/13/00 Posts: 14647 Loc: CA	And yet they’re so unchristian _________________________ http://indiemusicpeople.com/bobelliott https://soundcloud.com/bobelliott4
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#1864517 - 09/18/23 12:39 AM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Tao Jones]
Tao Jones Tao Jones Planeteer Registered: 06/13/00 Posts: 14647 Loc: CA	Right now their religion is MAGA-fascism _________________________ http://indiemusicpeople.com/bobelliott https://soundcloud.com/bobelliott4
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#1864518 - 09/18/23 12:55 AM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Tao Jones]
Al Al songwriter Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 04/16/99 Posts: 70284 Loc: Walmartville	well they don't understand what religion is yet push religion. they don't understand what America is supposed to be about but claim they're patriots. _________________________ . "Do not allow my confidence to offend your insecurity" - Deion Sanders
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#1864524 - 09/18/23 01:40 AM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Al]
motown59 motown59 Planeteer/Artist # 238 Planeteer Registered: 03/01/04 Posts: 17431 Loc: California	What were the circumstances where you had to attend church services? I’ve worked a fair amount of sound gigs in, and associated with churches. They remind me of car sales lots, desperately trying to keep you there, get you into the finance office(tidings, offerings). Things are tough in the church attendance front. Praise& worship bands are meant to bring in a younger, less attentive crowd, make it fun. It’s expected that you’ll be bombarded by requests to do something in Jesus’ name or God . Not all of them are so obvious and blatant in their pleas. It really depends on the pastor and sects/denominations. I don’t need to pray for good sound. Interesting. I was looking at some job offerings at big churches running their sound. Nearly all had provisions that I would have to attend church functions, bring my family, volunteer at church whatever’s and attend pray groups. F no. _________________________ kel "I love what you guys are trying to do up there" ...from an audience member at one of my gigs. Gear: Fender Medium pick
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#1864526 - 09/18/23 01:53 AM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: motown59]
Tao Jones Tao Jones Planeteer Registered: 06/13/00 Posts: 14647 Loc: CA	"I don’t need to pray for good sound." Shoot, I sure do. It's one of the main things I've been praying for lately. _________________________ http://indiemusicpeople.com/bobelliott https://soundcloud.com/bobelliott4
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#1864532 - 09/18/23 02:47 AM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Tao Jones]
Doughboy Doughboy Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 07/15/01 Posts: 26721 Loc: Gaylord, MI	I believe in spirituality….. religion can go phuuuck itself. _________________________ ---------------------------------- For a an updated list of players giving blowjobs this week call 1800DETROITLIONSSUCKINGDICKS http://www.reverbnation.com/GregPillsbury
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#1864534 - 09/18/23 03:13 AM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: motown59]
flatcat flatcat Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 07/11/01 Posts: 29061 Loc: Westborough, MA, USA	Originally Posted By: motown59 What were the circumstances where you had to attend church services? Death of a friend of mine's father. Death of a cousin who was like a brother to my father in law, always very kind to me and my family. I learned about the death of another friend of mine, a drummer I used to play with. Landing's been a little ... weird. _________________________ The internet, and the whole technology sector on which it floats, feels like a giant organ for bullshittery—for upscaling human access to speech and for amplifying lies. - Ian Bogost Professor Truth T. Sweetness says,"Mind your manners!"
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#1864541 - 09/18/23 04:24 AM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: flatcat]
Xenophile Xenophile Planeteer Registered: 09/27/00 Posts: 18435 Loc: Sacramento, CA, USA	Quote: But if I ever get back to the twentieth century Guess I’ll have to pay off some debts Open the book of my vanishing memory With its catalog of regrets Stand up for the deeds I did, and those I didn’t do Sit down, shut up, think about God And wait for the hour of my rescue Paul Simon, “Everything About It Is A Love Song.” _________________________ "Bobby, I'm sorry you got a head like a potato. I really am."
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#1864544 - 09/18/23 05:17 AM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Xenophile]
Jazzooo Jazzooo Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 05/18/02 Posts: 54688 Loc: San Miguel de Allende, Mexico ...	Great late Paul Simon reference, Dave! I got your back flatcat. And you know, I predicted in the late 70s that the next Civil War was going to be between the religious right and everybody else. It seemed pretty obvious to me, but I had friends who thought it would never come to that. _________________________ Dougrobinson.com
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#1864548 - 09/18/23 10:39 AM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Jazzooo]
fabulousthunderbird fabulousthunderbird Planeteer Registered: 07/17/11 Posts: 21857	The Constitution expressly forbids establishing a national religion, but since your team pisses on the Constitution on a daily basis I can understand why you're concerned... _________________________ "They walk among us, my son. By their ill-conceived and poorly executed facial hair shall ye know them..." I am fonts
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#1864551 - 09/18/23 12:04 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Jazzooo]
Vanillagrits Vanillagrits Planeteer Registered: 11/09/04 Posts: 21216	Originally Posted By: Jazzooo Great late Paul Simon reference, Dave! I don't think Paul Simon knows he's dead yet. $\:\)$ _________________________ Choose wisely
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#1864554 - 09/18/23 12:19 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Vanillagrits]
Jazzooo Jazzooo Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 05/18/02 Posts: 54688 Loc: San Miguel de Allende, Mexico ...	Great late not late great _________________________ Dougrobinson.com
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#1864555 - 09/18/23 12:25 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Jazzooo]
Vanillagrits Vanillagrits Planeteer Registered: 11/09/04 Posts: 21216	Got it. Just don't put late in front of my name......I haven't been to church in quite a while. _________________________ Choose wisely
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#1864556 - 09/18/23 12:38 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Vanillagrits]
Vanillagrits Vanillagrits Planeteer Registered: 11/09/04 Posts: 21216	My wife has gotten a lot of solace from her church (Catholic) since her son died two years ago. It was a long battle that I've been writing about but haven't posted yet. I'm grateful that she found extra support in addition to mine...I don't share her faith, but I do everything I can to support her practice of faith. They are good people. I agree that the Constitution forbids a national religion....it needs to stay that way. _________________________ Choose wisely
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#1864559 - 09/18/23 01:09 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: fabulousthunderbird]
flatcat flatcat Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 07/11/01 Posts: 29061 Loc: Westborough, MA, USA	Originally Posted By: fabulousthunderbird The Constitution expressly forbids establishing a national religion, but since your team pisses on the Constitution on a daily basis I can understand why you're concerned... I don't have a team. _________________________ The internet, and the whole technology sector on which it floats, feels like a giant organ for bullshittery—for upscaling human access to speech and for amplifying lies. - Ian Bogost Professor Truth T. Sweetness says,"Mind your manners!"
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#1864564 - 09/18/23 01:57 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: flatcat]
pbrowne pbrowne Planeteer Registered: 06/11/99 Posts: 6309 Loc: Loveland,CO,USA	i am not a believer but i think some religions do a lot of good work. i also think they should not be involved with enacting laws that reflect their moral positions and if they do their tax exempt status should be revoked. the founders knew from experience that mixing government and religion was (and is) a bad idea. _________________________ Send two dozen roses to Room 424 and put "Emily, I love you" on the back of the bill. Groucho Marx
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#1864567 - 09/18/23 02:58 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: pbrowne]
calypso calypso Planeteer Registered: 07/22/05 Posts: 2307 Loc: mid-Missouri	I used to rant and rave about the "megachurches" that are popping up everywhere... But now I welcome them. Yeah, absolutely emphasize lights and sounds and music to convey the "message". Because the show is what it's all about. Religion is JUST A FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT. It is a collection of myths and legends that provide comfort and solace for the congregation. Christmas trees and Easter eggs - I'm there! It's all just stories from our ignorant past. Truth cannot be revealed - it must be discovered. _________________________ It's all just ones and zeroes. Mark W in mid-MO some music here: soundcloud bandcamp spotify
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#1864575 - 09/18/23 04:02 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: calypso]
fabulousthunderbird fabulousthunderbird Planeteer Registered: 07/17/11 Posts: 21857	Flush this offensive turd, Wish... _________________________ "They walk among us, my son. By their ill-conceived and poorly executed facial hair shall ye know them..." I am fonts
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#1864578 - 09/18/23 04:36 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: fabulousthunderbird]
flatcat flatcat Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 07/11/01 Posts: 29061 Loc: Westborough, MA, USA	Originally Posted By: fabulousthunderbird Flush this offensive turd, Wish... Why are you offended? _________________________ The internet, and the whole technology sector on which it floats, feels like a giant organ for bullshittery—for upscaling human access to speech and for amplifying lies. - Ian Bogost Professor Truth T. Sweetness says,"Mind your manners!"
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#1864581 - 09/18/23 04:57 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: fabulousthunderbird]
Andy McClelland Andy McClelland Planeteer Registered: 05/24/14 Posts: 11690 Loc: Commanda, Ontario Canada	I'm with Flatcat on this. I'm a card carrying heathen afterall. "Well I never took to religion Ya gotta see things with single vision Should sin be forgotten Just because it's forgiven??" Me - here _________________________ Horn player tuning: Give me Bb. Never mind, Just give me a B and I'll flatten it myself. Andy on SoundCloud
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#1864582 - 09/18/23 05:10 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Andy McClelland]
Ismellelephant Ismellelephant Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 07/10/01 Posts: 52220	I put a tooth under my pillow, next morning it was replaced with a dollar. I believe in the Tooth Fairy. _________________________ Archie Bunker was a lawyer.
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#1864583 - 09/18/23 05:13 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Ismellelephant]
Andy McClelland Andy McClelland Planeteer Registered: 05/24/14 Posts: 11690 Loc: Commanda, Ontario Canada	Originally Posted By: Ismellelephant I put a tooth under my pillow, next morning it was replaced with a dollar. I believe in the Tooth Fairy. Do you have any teeth left? _________________________ Horn player tuning: Give me Bb. Never mind, Just give me a B and I'll flatten it myself. Andy on SoundCloud
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#1864588 - 09/18/23 05:29 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Andy McClelland]
Vanillagrits Vanillagrits Planeteer Registered: 11/09/04 Posts: 21216	Originally Posted By: Andy McClelland Originally Posted By: Ismellelephant I put a tooth under my pillow, next morning it was replaced with a dollar. I believe in the Tooth Fairy. Do you have any teeth left? Not after he paid the rent. _________________________ Choose wisely
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#1864594 - 09/18/23 06:11 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Vanillagrits]
Marty Gilman Marty Gilman Official Planet Sax Monster - Planeteer/Artist # 117 Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 04/05/00 Posts: 26135 Loc: Palm Beach, Florida- U S A	I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert . . . Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed: And on the pedestal these words appear: ‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!’ Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.” -PB Shelley _________________________ Can you play that an octave louder?
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#1864596 - 09/18/23 06:55 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: flatcat]
Mooseboy Mooseboy Here sometimes Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 04/24/99 Posts: 36319	Originally Posted By: fabulousthunderbird since your team pisses on the Constitution on a daily basis Typical Republican comment. It's funny how they say shit they know isn't true just to get a rise out of reasonable people. Fat Donny wasn't the first cocksucker to do this, but he sure made it popular. I think it'll be funny as hell when he chokes to death on a cheeseburger and people like Pete will be left holding their limp dicks. _________________________ In retrospect, that was the most deeply flawed part of our plan… Next time I knock over a linen store, NO DUCKS!
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#1864597 - 09/18/23 06:59 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Marty Gilman]
Mooseboy Mooseboy Here sometimes Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 04/24/99 Posts: 36319	Originally Posted By: Marty Gilman Jefferson was a Unitarian, as I am. Unitarians have no assigned beliefs, can believe whatever they wish, even be Athiests, interfere little in folks lives other than offer help when needed. I was raised a Unitarian. So of course I offer up my two standard Unitarian jokes: The symbol of the Unitarian Church is the flaming martini glass: And the Holy Trinity is referred to as "Daddy-o, Laddio, and Spooky" _________________________ In retrospect, that was the most deeply flawed part of our plan… Next time I knock over a linen store, NO DUCKS!
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#1864599 - 09/18/23 07:15 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Mooseboy]
Vanillagrits Vanillagrits Planeteer Registered: 11/09/04 Posts: 21216	I heard today that the Pope called an emergency meeting of all the Clergy and he said "I have good news and bad news. I will share the good news first. The good news is that Jesus Christ is back on the Earth and the second coming of Christ is upon us." There was a celebratory roar throughout the land until somebody asked the inevitable question, "If that is the good news, what can the bad news possibly be?" "Well," the Pope said, "He called from Salt Lake City." _________________________ Choose wisely
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#1864600 - 09/18/23 07:38 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Vanillagrits]
flatcat flatcat Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 07/11/01 Posts: 29061 Loc: Westborough, MA, USA	Hahahahahahahahahaha that is really funny $\:D$ _________________________ The internet, and the whole technology sector on which it floats, feels like a giant organ for bullshittery—for upscaling human access to speech and for amplifying lies. - Ian Bogost Professor Truth T. Sweetness says,"Mind your manners!"
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#1864601 - 09/18/23 07:47 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: flatcat]
Vanillagrits Vanillagrits Planeteer Registered: 11/09/04 Posts: 21216	Originally Posted By: flatcat Hahahahahahahahahaha that is really funny $\:D$ My wife (the Catholic) didn't appreciate it.......but I'm still married.......so far. _________________________ Choose wisely
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#1864606 - 09/18/23 08:47 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: Vanillagrits]
flatcat flatcat Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 07/11/01 Posts: 29061 Loc: Westborough, MA, USA	I was a Catholic and it definitely hit me right, Bill. $\:D$ _________________________ The internet, and the whole technology sector on which it floats, feels like a giant organ for bullshittery—for upscaling human access to speech and for amplifying lies. - Ian Bogost Professor Truth T. Sweetness says,"Mind your manners!"
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#1864612 - 09/18/23 09:09 PM Re: No offense to religious folks, but ... [Re: flatcat]
Ismellelephant Ismellelephant Loquacious Planeteer Registered: 07/10/01 Posts: 52220	Here is a good feature about being religious. A devout religious woman conspired to have her husband killed and was caught. When asked how such actions fit with her religious beliefs she replied, "I knew God would forgive me by asking for His forgiveness". So that is certainly a religion plus. _________________________ Archie Bunker was a lawyer.
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